Yeah thats getting in to an entirely different subject but 670 hp is more than enough to buzz the tires at a short track but I dont understand why you think that produces good racing? In fact we go to the track and try not to do that, forward bite is critical.
True.
When you manage forward bite with throttle control it puts it back in the drivers hands and makes good racing. Look at most short tracks this year. If you missed a corner you just grabbed and throttled up.
I'd have to disagree. The rear impact absorbing needs work but the car has so many knobs to twist that they can potentially make it really good.
I look forward to the long list of mods.
Looks to me like on tracks where the new IRS was given a workout, road courses and short tracks, not much testing under race conditions was able to be done. They have more data now and O'Donnell says they are working on the problems. I would imagine GoodYear is also as they have more races to go by. It's going to be better this year. They nailed it on the larger tracks, the car is really racy.
Negative, Ghost Rider.
ole Doc Campbell...if you said "it hurts when I do this" he'd whack you with a rolled up newspaper and say "then don't do that. Kinda same thing Kenny Schrader would say. Don't hit the wall and you won't have any problem.
Managing forward bite has always been a driver responsibility but you can do things to the car to help that. With the old car it was the truck arms and how much bite you were running, having not worked on this car not sure how they do it except bite is still the same
I want the DRIVER to be the one ultimately controlling wheel spin off the corner, not the car. If you can just mat the throttle with no price to pay, that's not short track racing in my opinion.
And with enough horsepower and or a small enough contact patch, it won't matter as much.
The driver is in control at all times, and while you are busy feathering your throttle I'll drive by you, but keep on feeling nostalgic.
How is it hard to understand that HP can overcome the limits of mechanical grip at a certain point? If you gave these cars a hypothetical 2,000 horsepower, then no, you aren't going to put enough left-rear bite into the car for the driver to be able to mat the throttle off the corner at Martinsville no matter what, with the current tire size.
I understand the limits of mechanical grip. Thats 101 stuff, what I'm saying is why do you feel the need to be able to buzz the right rear off the corner?
I want to see drivers pedaling these cars more than they need to now.
Two of the biggest rule benders in the sport wanting less downforce. That's hilarious
Because that puts the race into the hands of the guys that have the best throttle control and tire management skills. As a side benefit, it rewards the teams that can make even a TINY bit more forward bite over their competitors. It also creates comers and goers, as the guys that went full bore early in the run start falling off and the more skilled/patient drivers drive back by them. I would say the exact same thing about the brakes. When any wheel jockey can can pound the brakes without concern for 500 laps at Martinsville, that is NOT a recipe for good racing.
The COTA road course was one of the more exciting races of the season. It was in Texas though and that might be your problem. People making snap judgements of the new car in it's first year is typical.
What does this even mean?
Just what do I have my head in the sand about? Where did I say NASCAR was perfect? What is NASCAR working on concerning forward bite and wheel spin on which I was discussing?
So 950 HP good?
It's the same B.S. different day. Yawn
Isnt that what they are doing now? Certain teams creating more forward bite and limiting wheel spin? You think these guys are matting it center out or still rolling the center and using gradual throttle when they begin to get straight?
Fans wanting/fantacizing for racing with more horsepower is the farthest thing from B.S.
fans refusing to accept what is and the reasons for it is nothing but blowing in the wind
No, the inherent design of the car and tires makes any small gains the teams make irrelevant. That's why you have 38 cars running around Martinsville and Bristol at the same speed and nobody can pass. Have you actually been watching the races? New tires, old tires, great drivers, mediocre drivers, great teams, average teams, it makes no damn difference. They're all running the same speed and can't go anywhere. Dale Jr. has said more than once that if you had a goal of great short track racing, this wheel and tire combo would be the LAST thing you would do.
Yes I have been watching and I dont base an entire year of racing off of a couple of lackluster races in year 1 and you are full of it if you dont think that certain teams made gains and were able to pass. Is Dale Jr gonna foot the bill for an entire revamp of the wheels,tires and suspension pieces to fit a new size? If NASCAR gives them 100 more HP on the short tracks is that gonna make you happy?
The two Phoenix's qualifying lap times for example were a second and a half faster than the other. Who wants to bet against them being faster next year?
Cant be, this car is maxed out. The grandstand mechanic said so
I think it should it least be TRIED in an organized test. I don 't think horsepower is the sole answer, but I think it would be a step in the right direction, but let's TEST it and gather FACTS.
I think Jr's point was that perhaps not enough thought was put into how some of these changes would effect certain tracks BEFORE the fact. Now we are far enough down the road with the new car that NASCAR may be left with little more than crutches and bandaids if they are serious about improving the product at certain tracks. Adding horsepower may be one of the few things that is halfway practical.
Well, for one thing, that's a pretty apples to oranges comparison when you consider one of the first races in this car with the 36th, and the fact that the teams got how many times more practice for the second race, not to mention whatever Goodyear might have done. In either case, the racing BOTH times was mediocre at best so what's your point? If everyone speeds up a similar amount, you haven't really gained anything. What is needed are things that allow driver skill and setup superiority to separate cars from each other, unless we actually WANT plate style racing EVERYWHERE, and victory becomes a total crapshoot every week.
I don't recall ANYONE making THAT argument.