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StandOnIt said:
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He doesn't have to worry to much about speeding or turn signals here. I think most of the traffic in California is going 90+mph anyway and very few use their turn signals. The only thing that slows them down is a traffic jam which is usually caused by a 90+mph driver. :)
 
Michfan said:
Mike Joy does this multiple times every single race
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He also said Jimmie Johnson passed Chase Elliot when Elliot was trying to pass him after running him down. Idk how they miss so much.

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jaqua19 said:
He also said Jimmie Johnson passed Chase Elliot when Elliot was trying to pass him after running him down. Idk how they miss so much.

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Probably need to spend a day in the racing booth. looks awful easy from the couch without the director talking in your ear.
 
jaqua19 said:
He also said Jimmie Johnson passed Chase Elliot when Elliot was trying to pass him after running him down. Idk how they miss so much.

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Probably because they are looking out the window, looking at monitors and have a director shouting in their ears all the while trying to tell YOU about it. More than likely Joy was watching something else, the director shouts 'pick up the battle between Johnson and Elliott, looks at the monitor and sees Johnson putting distance between himself and Elliott and wrongly assumes that Johnson had made a pass. Easy enough to do.
 
Formerjackman said:
Probably because they are looking out the window, looking at monitors and have a director shouting in their ears all the while trying to tell YOU about it. More than likely Joy was watching something else, the director shouts 'pick up the battle between Johnson and Elliott, looks at the monitor and sees Johnson putting distance between himself and Elliott and wrongly assumes that Johnson had made a pass. Easy enough to do.
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I thought the exact thing when I saw it. If you just looked at it Johnson was pulling away. I thought the camera angles were much better in the cup race, the overheads on the restarts from the blimp were awesome. Gordon and Joy were in the background instead of being THE entertainment and I could watch the race without being bombarded with mostly useless information and fake drama. The racing is so good so far this year it doesn't need the fake hype.
 
BobbyFord said:
I think NASCAR’s been consistently going in wrong direction for years.
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For the longest time I would have agreed with you. Now I think there are some good things mixed into some of the really off-base decisions they are making. Regardless, the low downforce race package MIGHT have appealed to the 10% of the race audience that is into absolute purity of the sport "whatever the hell that is" but it was a crashing dud with the bulk of the audience that is more interested in being entertained than any purity.
 
Formerjackman said:
For the longest time I would have agreed with you. Now I think there are some good things mixed into some of the really off-base decisions they are making. Regardless, the low downforce race package MIGHT have appealed to the 10% of the race audience that is into absolute purity of the sport "whatever the hell that is" but it was a crashing dud with the bulk of the audience that is more interested in being entertained than any purity.
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The stands were pretty empty this weekend.
 
And your is what, that there would be more people in the stands if the cars were separated in different zip codes like so many of the 2018 races? It took NASCAR over a decade to drive this sport into the ground, it isn't going to spring back to life overnight, no matter what rules packages or anything else that NASCAR implements.
 
StandOnIt said:
Probably need to spend a day in the racing booth. looks awful easy from the couch without the director talking in your ear.
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I admittedly did not consider the network director being in your ear..at the end of the day, you are doing a job I suppose, and not just watching the race. I still think it can't be too hard to notice these things. But you're right, I don't have the perspective to judge this.

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Formerjackman said:
Probably because they are looking out the window, looking at monitors and have a director shouting in their ears all the while trying to tell YOU about it. More than likely Joy was watching something else, the director shouts 'pick up the battle between Johnson and Elliott, looks at the monitor and sees Johnson putting distance between himself and Elliott and wrongly assumes that Johnson had made a pass. Easy enough to do.
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As I said to standonit, yeah, I had no idea that's how that works. I genuinely thought the commentators are talking about a mix of what they want/what the monitors show.

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Formerjackman said:
And your is what, that there would be more people in the stands if the cars were separated in different zip codes like so many of the 2018 races? It took NASCAR over a decade to drive this sport into the ground, it isn't going to spring back to life overnight, no matter what rules packages or anything else that NASCAR implements.
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It isn’t gonna spring back ever.
 
Nitro Dude said:
He doesn't have to worry to much about speeding or turn signals here. I think most of the traffic in California is going 90+mph anyway and very few use their turn signals. The only thing that slows them down is a traffic jam which is usually caused by a 90+mph driver. :)
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Love the guys attitude :D:D

 
BobbyFord said:
They should’ve left the 2018 package intact.
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Yep agreed, that was some of the best racing I can remember in a long while. It was awesome. I never understood why they made such radical package changes from such an exciting season.
 
10-4 said:
Yep agreed, that was some of the best racing I can remember in a long while. It was awesome. I never understood why they made such radical package changes from such an exciting season.
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Probably from looking at the stats from Auto Club and others, it was one track that needed help. When they couldn't manipulate the race ending under GWC like they had the previous years, in 2018 because of fan pressure to let it go without manipulating the ending, Truex won the yawner at Auto Club by almost 12 seconds.
 
StandOnIt said:
Probably from looking at the stats from Auto Club and others, it was one track that needed help. When they couldn't manipulate the race ending under GWC like they had the previous years, in 2018 because of fan pressure to let it go without manipulating the ending, Truex won the yawner at Auto Club by almost 12 seconds.
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Yeah I would forget that one lol. Do you remember Vegas last year though? That one was boring as hell too probablythe worst one all last year. You can't get away from boring races. There's always going to be some race that is boring regardless of the package.
 
10-4 said:
Yeah I would forget that one lol. Do you remember Vegas last year though? That one was boring as hell too probablythe worst one all last year. You can't get away from boring races. There's always going to be some race that is boring regardless of the package.
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yep, but in Auto club's case 2015 -2017 were all GWC, and I think people forget how many races back then had late race cautions for GWC finishes and cautions breaking up long runs for commercials. People on the race thread were having contests on who could call the right time for the caution
 
StandOnIt said:
Frustrated Toyotas and a discouraged Jimmie Johnson all chased Alex Bowman at California
Bob Pockrass


“The racing is such s— right now,” Busch said about the way drivers are digging for spots with little regard for others. “There is no wherewithal. There’s no care. It’s just a dogfight. I guess it is what it is.”
The dogfighting appears to also happen in the tech bay. Last week at Vegas, all the Toyota teams lost practice time because NASCAR felt they had too much bondo in an area that messed with the required shape of the right rear wheel fender.

A few of the JGR teams also were penalized 10 points at Vegas for a piece of plastic behind the Toyota decal on the nose of the car.

Then in the last couple of days at California, Truex had his tech issues. And the Chevrolets of JTG Daugherty Racing’s Ricky Stenhouse Jr. and Ryan Preece had a body panel that disrupted the air flow around the car during qualifying. They were docked 10 points and had their crew chiefs ejected.
https://www.foxsports.com/nascar/st...rnia-jimmie-johnson-auto-club-speedway-030120
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"They gave a gift to the Chevy teams in the offseason. It’s all about how you play the politics, I guess.”--KB.....What everybody knows, but nobody is talking about. I don't have a problem with what NASCAR did for Chevy, but do not hammer on MY Toyotas for sucking because they don't. It's just that Chevy has so much more by design. I love the fight. Totally stoked to see my TRD guys get what Chevy has without the gift. Pressure is on Chevy. Don't choke.
 
Revman said:
"They gave a gift to the Chevy teams in the offseason. It’s all about how you play the politics, I guess.”--KB.....What everybody knows, but nobody is talking about. I don't have a problem with what NASCAR did for Chevy, but do not hammer on MY Toyotas for sucking because they don't. It's just that Chevy has so much more by design. I love the fight. Totally stoked to see my TRD guys get what Chevy has without the gift. Pressure is on Chevy. Don't choke.
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yeah it's ok. There is plenty of plastic and Bondo to go around
 
StandOnIt said:
yeah it's ok. There is plenty of plastic and Bondo to go around
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The coolest thing about this sport is that TRD has already identified where they are lacking relative to the new Chevy, and they are trying to level the playing field any way they can. The truth of the matter is, however, that NASCAR has to have Chevy get better. It's going to be very difficult to battle not only Chevy, but Chevy's sugar daddy, NASCAR, as well. Gonna be fun though!
 
Revman said:
The coolest thing about this sport is that TRD has already identified where they are lacking relative to the new Chevy, and they are trying to level the playing field any way they can. The truth of the matter is, however, that NASCAR has to have Chevy get better. It's going to be very difficult to battle not only Chevy, but Chevy's sugar daddy, NASCAR, as well. Gonna be fun though!
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yeah it took virtual rocket scientists to figure out to work the nose and the right rear quarter panel for better aero.
 
StandOnIt said:
yeah it took virtual rocket scientists to figure out to work the nose and the right rear quarter panel for better aero.
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Well, the "rocket scientists" at Chevy couldn't figure it out....the first time around. SMDH. #ThinkBeforeSnark
 
Maybe Chevrolet should be like Toyota and concentrate on 5 cars. Ford could follow and we would have 15 cars in a race. You Revman say you don’t like dominance but you could have fooled us.
 
machinistman3 said:
Maybe Chevrolet should be like Toyota and concentrate on 5 cars. Ford could follow and we would have 15 cars in a race. You Revman say you don’t like dominance but you could have fooled us.
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A couple of questions I would like you to ponder....and then I will respond....1) If a team like Ganassi came along and wanted to run Toyota, do you think TRD would turn them away to maintain their 5 car count? and 2) Do you think that Chevy (and for that matter Ford) funds all of their teams the same? I love winning. If dominance develops, so be it, but that is not what I use as the benchmark for a great season. Last year happened. I enjoyed it. This year is different, and I am enjoying this. Blabbers have MY Toyotas dead and buried. Love. This. .....and BTW, you probably didn't care about Toyota's car counts until they started winning....am I right?
 
Revman said:
Well, the "rocket scientists" at Chevy couldn't figure it out....the first time around. SMDH. #ThinkBeforeSnark
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They had a "model change" hmm does that remind ya of anybody else? Seems to work about the same so far. Probably going to get a new Yota with the plastic and Bondo mods built in the new 5 car thinly veiled factory effort.
 
Ventisca said:
Bondo. Has it all just come down to Bondo? Wind Tunnels, computer modeling, simulators, testing -- and Joe brings the Bondo...

Xfinity Tupperware outpacing Cup Cans? Where's the magic? What happened to high tech engineering, speed, and aero of the future?

Bondo. o_O:oops::idunno:

#bondoshaming

Fontana Qualifying
Xfinity: 180.234
https://www.racing-reference.info/race/2020_Production_Alliance_Group_300/B

Cup: 179.614
https://www.racing-reference.info/race/2020_Auto_Club_400/W
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Replaced by closer racing, more side by side, the slingshot pass and higher ratings..New short track package coming up, we all are paying attention.;)
 
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