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I might have missed an already posted thread on this, but I was sorting through Samantha Busch references in the Kyle Busch Appreciation thread. Apologies.....but this is a big deal in my NASCAR world. Very intriguing.
 

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I might have missed an already posted thread on this, but I was sorting through Samantha Busch references in the Kyle Busch Appreciation thread. Apologies.....but this is a big deal in my NASCAR world. Very intriguing.
eh for some reason it didn't move the needle for me. They have single builders for the Fords and the Toyotas. Probably more efficient, and the motor use with the newer sealed engine rules have reduced the need for engines drastically
 

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Except that both companies are still going to build engines. I see it as much ado about very little. As I said in another post, if NASCAR goes to a production based engine platform (as they should) then this move takes on more significance in my opinion.
 

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I cant imagine this does anything significant for the Chevs

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I don't see this as that big of a deal. With the engines restricted down to 700 hp or less in many cases and having to use them more than 1 race I don't think engines mean as much now. Aero is what hp was 20 years ago

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There’s lots of development time required to maintain high cylinder pressure beyond one event. And well beyond.

Combining the resources of those two groups to solve that and other known problems makes sense. The unknowns will make themselves known on the engine and chassis dynos.
 

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I saw the name Richie Gilmore, if memory serves me correct he was the head engine builder at DEI back when they dominated at the plate tracks. Had no idea he was at RCR and no idea how long he had been working there. For some reason the I though the only racing related thing DEI still did was make racing engines for lower level series and Gilmore headed that up.
 

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I saw the name Richie Gilmore, if memory serves me correct he was the head engine builder at DEI back when they dominated at the plate tracks. Had no idea he was at RCR and no idea how long he had been working there. For some reason the I though the only racing related thing DEI still did was make racing engines for lower level series and Gilmore headed that up.
RCR was ECR. Earnhardt Childress Racing Engines.

That’s the connection. And Teresa.
 

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I kind of think it's interesting.....Hendrick has been the lead Chevy dog with some I suspect proprietary. Ford with their development center, Chevy about ready to complete theirs, and MY Toyota's facilities in Costa Mesa and Salisbury...it's my hope that manufacturers become a bigger part of the passion this sport more than recent years. If this is a cost saving measure, it sure has taken them a long time to figure that out....I also think that the ramifications are pretty significant as NASCAR goes hybrid in the next few years.
 

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I saw the name Richie Gilmore, if memory serves me correct he was the head engine builder at DEI back when they dominated at the plate tracks. Had no idea he was at RCR and no idea how long he had been working there. For some reason the I though the only racing related thing DEI still did was make racing engines for lower level series and Gilmore headed that up.

Gilmore is an ex-Hendrick guy. DEI hired him to head up their new engine department, and later was a management guy for DEI, post Ty Norris. When the two engine programs were combined to form ECR, Gilmore was named to head up that operation. He's a VERY capable guy, and with his HMS background, he knows a lot of their people and their way of operating.
 

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I'm glad they're teaming up. Chevy needs to take this **** more serious like Ford & Toyota at the top level.
 

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it opened in 2016

Pre-COVID....so I believe it was delayed, but way not 2016.

 

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I'm glad they're teaming up. Chevy needs to take this **** more serious like Ford & Toyota at the top level.

I've never been of the opinion that horsepower was Chevy's issue. I would say aero has been the number one deficiency, and it's been that way for quite some time.
 

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I've never been of the opinion that horsepower was Chevy's issue. I would say aero has been the number one deficiency, and it's been that way for quite some time.

But why? They even had a shot with the new car. It is amazing to me that they have missed it again. The box is small. The aero solutions are few. I expected much more than they delivered this year.
 

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But why? They even had a shot with the new car. It is amazing to me that they have missed it again. The box is small. The aero solutions are few. I expected much more than they delivered this year.
Compared to last year I think they've made huge gains. HMS has put 3 different cars in VL, RCR has a car in the round of 12 and the 8 is looking great for a rookie, CGR has already locked a car into the round of 8.

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Compared to last year I think they've made huge gains. HMS has put 3 different cars in VL, RCR has a car in the round of 12 and the 8 is looking great for a rookie, CGR has already locked a car into the round of 8.

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I agree that they have made big gains, but I don't think ANY of the Chevy teams are on par with the best Ford and Toyota teams week in and week out.
 

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I agree that they have made big gains, but I don't think ANY of the Chevy teams are on par with the best Ford and Toyota teams week in and week out.
Ask yourself this, is it the car? or experienced drivers that make the difference?
 

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Ask yourself this, is it the car? or experienced drivers that make the difference?

If you are talking overall results, yes, the drivers probably play into it, but I'm talking strictly about the ability of the cars to strike some sort of balance between being able to run out front AND run in traffic. I feel that the in most situations, the Chevy is still giving up something there.
 

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If you are talking overall results, yes, the drivers probably play into it, but I'm talking strictly about the ability of the cars to strike some sort of balance between being able to run out front AND run in traffic. I feel that the in most situations, the Chevy is still giving up something there.
I think the chevy can run out front, Chase has shown that however the other drivers don't seem to be able to. For a car to get to the front, it must be able to pack race. Right now for HMS I believe they need to have patience with their drivers for another season. When Gen 7 comes out they will all be fairly equal for a short period of time.
 

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I agree that they have made big gains, but I don't think ANY of the Chevy teams are on par with the best Ford and Toyota teams week in and week out.
Ask yourself this, is it the car? or experienced drivers that make the difference?
Bingo. Chevy horsepower is not the problem, and I don't believe Chevy aero or chassis are either. Chevy fans complaining about "the Camaro problem" is an excuse that passed its sell by date years ago, IMO.
 

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Bingo. Chevy horsepower is not the problem, and I don't believe Chevy aero or chassis are either. Chevy fans complaining about "the Camaro problem" is an excuse that passed its sell by date years ago, IMO.

While I agree the other manufacturers MAY have some advantage over the Chevy's, it did seem like around the same time Chevy lost ground they also had the youngest crop of drivers and almost no veterans (exception is JJ of course but on the declining end of his career by then). Coincidence, or does Chevy just need time for its young drivers to get more experienced?
 

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While I agree the other manufacturers MAY have some advantage over the Chevy's, it did seem like around the same time Chevy lost ground they also had the youngest crop of drivers and almost no veterans (exception is JJ of course but on the declining end of his career by then). Coincidence, or does Chevy just need time for its young drivers to get more experienced?

Except that their "inexperience" ONLY seemed to show up at tracks that are very downforce aero critical. Evidently inexperience doesn't hold you back at Bristol, Martinsville Watkins Glen, Daytona and Talladega. Honestly, I get your point and I think there is SOME truth to it, BUT, if nothing else, this year has proven that with the cars we have now, even the mighty KDB can't usually overcome a car that is lacking. The days of drivers being able to make lap times strictly on guts, guile and "sperience' have pretty much gone the way of the carburetor.
 

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They say Austin Dillon demanded them. He is short in stature and He believes shorter pushrods will match his throttle rhythm better.

Besides Nascar is going to shorter tracks and they need the shorter parts.

I'm still waiting for someone to define the term "short pushrod". Short compared to what? A Kohler Command lawnmower engine, or a Mack E7?
 

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I'm still waiting for someone to define the term "short pushrod". Short compared to what? A Kohler Command lawnmower engine, or a Mack E7?
I would think that all one needs to do is to find a Chevy short block vender and then ask that same supplier to sale him some short pushrods that go with the matching heads and valve train.
He would probably then give you the short pushrod part names, numbers, specs etc.....
 

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I'm still waiting for someone to define the term "short pushrod". Short compared to what? A Kohler Command lawnmower engine, or a Mack E7?
He’s here all week.

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Why have a meaningful conversation when you can just insult people you don't like?
 

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I'm still waiting for someone to define the term "short pushrod". Short compared to what? A Kohler Command lawnmower engine, or a Mack E7?
This is unlikely to spark a meaningful conversation.

Makes sense ... it was not intended for that purpose.
 

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I'm still waiting for someone to define the term "short pushrod". Short compared to what? A Kohler Command lawnmower engine, or a Mack E7?
I'm just guessing here but they probably mean short compared to what they are using now. So even if it is 1 mm shorter they can call it a short pushrod.
 
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