Richard Petty 7-Time Real Cup Champ, KyBu is a Waiver Chump

TexasRaceLady said:
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It's going to be a looooooong 9 days til the next Cup race.
Y'all are so delightfully funny. Very entertaining.
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No politics, no tan lines, and no cursing. But troll obnoxiously all you want. Got it.
 
Hating drivers is underrated, and I am not talking about a sick twisted thing of wishing any great suffering upon them. I would like to think that most would want them to enjoy a happy prosperous life.

But when the race starts there is nothing wrong with hoping a driver has a bad finishing position. It is a sign of passion, and after all it is competition. If you want drivef to win every week, wanting somebody else not to win is perfectly logical.

One of the biggest things I remember about growing near GPS was the way dominant drivers were hated. And almost everyone loved those same drivers while they were struggling and building the foundation.
But after they won 3 or 4 in roll, the hate would start, and it would only intensify.
I remember one four time champion being driven to retire due to the hate, immediately after getting the fourth championship
I remember another one quitting for a year after the hate cranked up.

I loved the way everyone hated Waltrip back in the day. I loved leaving the track with a grin, after he pissed everyone off by winning.
I loved the way they hated Dale Sr. One time another fan a stranger, kept turning around and complaining to me with my Dale cap on about everytime he bumped someone. Finally I asked did he want my KFC napkins because I wasn't carrying any kleenex.

There were some that hated Petty back in the day, I heard a few that claimed he always had the best equipment. There was the rivalry with Bobby Allison, my uncle always preferred Allison for being a little less polished and more blue collar.

Kyle hate. Enjoy it, take it as compliment and have a good laugh at what folks say and do.
Sure as hell beats a dry golf clap, imo.
 
This one is pretty funny.

Win No. 59

Date: June 18, 1967
Race: Carolina 500
Track: North Carolina Motor Speedway, 1.017-mile asphalt track in Rockingham, N.C.
Notable: “It’s not as much a thrill to win now, but the money spends just as well,” Petty said after leading 249 of 500 laps for his first triumph at The Rock and his 11th win of the season.
 
BobbyFord said:
.3 mile race at Podunk Fairgrounds should not be included in anyone's Cup stats. Apparently dirt wins are also included.
Can we allow Kyle's LVMS dirt track wins?
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Do Eldora races count towards a truck series driver's win total? If it was on the schedule and Richard won it, it goes in the win column. End of story.
 
I just don't get how all you guys have your panties in such a wad about Petty's 200 wins.... and then want to lump all Kyles wins from the lower series together to try to up Petty's... Sure Richard ran short tracks against underfunded teams.... but.... surely you guys are not so blind as to see Kyles wins in the trucks and Busch were exactly the same way..... as far as I see it.... Kyle has won 40 races fair and square...... We can't compare kyle's 180 to Richard's 200..... because they were in another time frame..... things were different then...... No power steering.... poor braking.... no cool suits.... no fancy haulers......rollbacks or flat towing...... they had to manhandle the cars.... no jets or fancy motorhomes..... bias ply tires..... It took a real tough individual to make the whole schedule and race these cars...... It was a true Ironman sport...... I really don't think any of these guys now could handle the rigors that Petty , Allison, Pearson and most all of them did..... and most of them didn't make as much in a lifetime of racing as one of these young guys do in a single year.....


I'm not dissing Kyle.... he's a great driver..... no doubt about it.... he's won 40 races that should go into the record books....... Petty has won 200....... the media has pumped it up....... Kyle is loving it..... and .........


It's all fake news.......... :cheers:
 
kymartin6 said:
I just don't get how all you guys have your panties in such a wad about Petty's 200 wins.... and then want to lump all Kyles wins from the lower series together to try to up Petty's... Sure Richard ran short tracks against underfunded teams.... but.... surely you guys are not so blind as to see Kyles wins in the trucks and Busch were exactly the same way..... as far as I see it.... Kyle has won 40 races fair and square...... We can't compare kyle's 180 to Richard's 200..... because they were in another time frame..... things were different then...... No power steering.... poor braking.... no cool suits.... no fancy haulers......rollbacks or flat towing...... they had to manhandle the cars.... no jets or fancy motorhomes..... bias ply tires..... It took a real tough individual to make the whole schedule and race these cars...... It was a true Ironman sport...... I really don't think any of these guys now could handle the rigors that Petty , Allison, Pearson and most all of them did..... and most of them didn't make as much in a lifetime of racing as one of these young guys do in a single year.....


I'm not dissing Kyle.... he's a great driver..... no doubt about it.... he's won 40 races that should go into the record books....... Petty has won 200....... the media has pumped it up....... Kyle is loving it..... and .........


It's all fake news.......... :cheers:
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Yes, the wins are the same, against similar competition.
Still want to compare eras?
 
kymartin6 said:
Sure Richard ran short tracks against underfunded teams.... but.... surely you guys are not so blind as to see Kyles wins in the trucks and Busch were exactly the same way...
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That's why they are comparable and might as well be counted when looking at Kyle's career. As I've said no one gets 200 without running lower series. That's not taking away from Petty, his wins are what they are same as Kyle
 
It was so easy, that only Richard Petty could do it...

The King has seven Cup Championships, KyBu has an "asterisk".

KyBu is just another pampered track-princess who is taking advantage of the modern era advances in NASCAR as well as social media to build an image -- while the gritty real heroes of NASCAR had truly dangerous work conditions as they hammered away at their racing craft in cobbled together race cars while building America's Motorsport on both good and crappy tracks -- that isn't their shame.

The insult is worse to Dale Earnhardt, who also has seven Cup Championships, without the 200 victories. The KyBu crowd are looking past The Intimidator, as well.

But let's be clear: Petty, Jimmie, Gordon, and Tony are at the track every race weekend -- all far superior to KyBu. The list goes on and doesn't lead anywhere near KyBu.

God Bless Richard Petty and the old school racing class that he represents.

Only foolish boys would attempt to exalt a questionable one time Cup Chump to the level of GOAT...

KyBu isn't even the best Toyota driver in 2017.

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Who believes that wins at fairgrounds are Cup wins?
Anyone see why it's foolish to compare dinosaurs with today's drivers?
 
They were doing it because they loved it. There were more lucrative professions at the time.
Nobody starts off in racing because it pays well.
 
1960 R. Petty won 3 races and finished 2nd in the NASCAR Grand National Series Points. 1961 2 wins out of 42 attempts, in 1962 he won 8 races of 52. in 1963 he won 14 races and still didn't win the championship. Finally in 1964 Petty won a championship.

Here's the thing, all of those guys competing raced the same schedule and had the same opportunity at the wins and the championships as he did. He won them. I'm not attacking you or Kyle Busch, I'm just going off of the books, not everyone's personal wish for who is/was the most successful NASCAR driver of all time.
 
kymartin6 said:
He was the only one that tried to make a fulltime job of it while running Cup......
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One would think that "easy" wins would be something that many drivers and owners would seek out. Folks that win a lot of races tend to get big money thrown at them by sponsors ............ I suppose Kyle takes advantage of that money to keep KBM up and running
 
As I've repeatedly said, you can't compare era stats.
Were there guys comparable to today's top 15 at all of Petty's wins? The answer is, "hell no."
Same question for Kyle's wins...I'll wait.
 
Most notably: Ned Jarrett, Joe Weatherly, Lee Petty, Junior Johnson, Buck Baker, Rex White, David Pearson, Cotton Owens, Fireball Roberts, A.J. Floyt, Fred Lorenzon, LeeRoy Yarborough, and Bobby Isaac among others

I just keep in mind the sport was still growing at this time. I brought up in another post Richard Petty still had over 80 wins (forget the actual number) post 1970 when they went to the Winston Cup Series. Again, I just base my judgments on the books. We can speculate and argue all we want but the record books won't be changed whether we feel the wins are worthy or not.
 
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Snowman said:
Most notably: Ned Jarrett, Joe Weatherly, Lee Petty, Junior Johnson, Buck Baker, Rex White, David Pearson, Cotton Owens, Fireball Roberts, A.J. Floyt, Fred Lorenzon, LeeRoy Yarborough, and Bobby Isaac among others

I just keep in mind the sport was still growing at this time. I brought up in another post Richard Petty still had over 80 wins (forget the actual number) post 1970 when they went to the Winston Cup Series. Again, I just base my judgments on the books. We can speculate and argue all we want but the record books won't be changed whether we feel the wins are worthy or not.
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I guess we'll agree to disagree.
Like I said, Petty never had the constant competition that today's drivers face.
 
BobbyFord said:
I guess we'll agree to disagree.
Like I said, Petty never had the constant competition that today's drivers face.
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I can agree with that to an extent.

Let's be realistic though, if it's a full out race, no fuel mileage or rain shortened and not counting plate tracks, I'd say only 15 guys and that's being relatively generous have a legitimate shot at the win any given cup race. I may crunch some more numbers and try and see that over say the past 5 years how many different guys have actually won races outside of the variables I mentioned.
 
I don't get the rub here. Driving the cars of Petty's era was much harder. The drivers of today are in much better physical condition, the forces in the cars demand it. We are able to look back on Petty's whole career, where we only have Maybe half of Kyle's career to look back on. Both have won championships under the rules of the time they were driving in. The only way anybody could say with certainty who is better, would be to match them head to head. Since that will never happen, all we have is opinion, and speculation, to go on. The cars are so different, it takes different skills to drive them. so it's hard to compare. Right now I have to give the edge to Petty. Kyle still has at least half of his career to go before he is done. He certainly has the potential to be in the conversation of best ever, but right now he isn't. I am willing to wait till he is done to form an opinion. My personal opinion on Petty's biggest stat is not his 200 wins, or his 7 championships. To me his biggest accomplishment, is his 7 Daytona 500 wins. No minor league wins, against unknown drivers there. That race has been, and always will be, where the best of the best compete. I'm not saying Kyle must win Daytona seven times to be comparable, but that is one stat that I think will stand for a long time. Finally, this isn't NASCAR that is pushing the compairison, It's the media, hoping to increase viewership. Let's give this a rest until Kyle retires, then we can all argue, and stretch the truth, like all old men, and women, do.
 
BobbyFord said:
Heavily padded career stats that today's anti-Kyle fan overlooks.
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Exactly! he deserves it! End of discussion! By the way @Stacy and everyone else I'm as big of a Kyle hater as they get but my personal feelings and opinion on him doesn't change the fact he is absolutely one of the greatest drivers in history.
 
kymartin6 said:
He was the only one that tried to make a fulltime job of it while running Cup......
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Actually quite a few of them did it in the late 00's, the 2006-2010 BGN/Nationwide championships were all won by Cup regulars. Most of them cut way back though when the One Championship rule was put into place in 2011.
 
Simple said:
Same as Petty was the only guy taking his top notch equipment to mid week dirt races and beating guys because their cars fell apart.
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I've seen you say use this argument before. I don't understand why you say this as if you hold it against Petty for having superior equipment, like it's his fault. Why is that bad and why does it count any less? What is Petty supposed to do, not show up to race with what he's got? I think for that time he was ahead in sponsorship and how much it mattered to having that money that led to better equipment. It paved the way for what we have today I think, but I don't get it why people use " Petty having better equipment against him" He was a pioneer in regards to seeing the benefit of sponsorship, it's not his fault his competitors didn't use that to their advantage also. Kyle Busch does the same thing you said about Petty, show up with his equipment during a midweek dirt race, or truck race or Xfinity race and he kicks @ss. I don't have a problem with it, it's cool to me actually that Kyle will race anytime anyplace. Quick story I think it was in 2010, Kyle had a race in Montreal (Cup off week) for Busch Series but for some reason there was a standalone Truck race at my home track of Chicagoland. I was at the race with my brother and a friend not expecting to know anyone who was racing. Well low and behold Kyle flew in to race the 51 truck, we got excited, ended up staying for the whole race and he dominated. But I didn't care, I got to see a driver of Kyle's caliber race on a Saturday night and since then I have liked the guy. It's cool he's a racer
 
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ToyYoda said:
Actually quite a few of them did it in the late 00's, the 2006-2010 BGN/Nationwide championships were all won by Cup regulars. Most of them cut way back though when the One Championship rule was put into place in 2011.
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Harvick comes to mind right away, he was dominating Busch Series in RCR's 2 AC Delco car then the 21 Hershey's, Payday and Coast Guard car.
 
Snappy D said:
I've seen you say use this argument before. I don't understand why you say this as if you hold it against Petty for having superior equipment, like it's his fault. Why is that bad and why does it count any less? What is Petty supposed to do, not show up to race with what he's got? I think for that time he was ahead in sponsorship and how much it mattered to having that money that led to better equipment. It paved the way for what he have today I think, but I don't get it why people use having better equipment against him. He was a pioneer in regards to seeing the benefit of sponsorship, it's not his fault his competitors didn't use that to their advantage also.
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See I'm not holding anything against Petty, he won 200 races and had to run those races to get there. No different than Kyle having to run Xfinity and Trucks to get close to 200. If I'm a fan of Kyle and hold him in high regard anyone I compare him to is going to be held in that same regard. Petty was a racer and lived to race, same as Kyle.
 
Simple Fan said:
See I'm not holding anything against Petty, he won 200 races and had to run those races to get there. No different than Kyle having to run Xfinity and Trucks to get close to 200. If I'm a fan of Kyle and hold him in high regard anyone I compare him to is going to be held in that same regard. Petty was a racer and lived to race, same as Kyle.
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Cheers to that.
 
Snappy D said:
Harvick comes to mind right away, he was dominating Busch Series in RCR's 2 AC Delco car then the 21 Hershey's, Payday and Coast Guard car.
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In 2010, all but two races were won by Cup regulars, and one of the ones that wasn't was a road course win by Boris Said. Justin Allgaier's win at Bristol was the only NW race won by a series regular that year. That's probably why NASCAR took action the next year.
 
ToyYoda said:
In 2010, all but two races were won by Cup regulars, and one of the ones that wasn't was a road course won by Boris Said. Justin Allgaier's win at Bristol was the only NW race won by a series regular that year. That's probably why NASCAR took action the next year.
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Yea I just remember Harvick dominating first then Edwards then it became a thing....I don't have ill will towards those guys, racers race. Earnhardt and Waltrip raced Busch races all the time back in the day, the problem lately is that teams are suffering from it if they arnt a RCR, Jr Motorsports, KBM or Gibbs team. You used to have the little teams in Busch series be competitive and contend for the Title. In fact those little teams were power house teams for example when Jeff Green won the Busch Series title in the 10 Nesquick car wasn't that a team not in Winston Cup?
 
Snappy D said:
for example when Jeff Green won the Busch Series title in the 10 Nesquick car wasn't that a team not in Winston Cup?
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I believe so. That was in 2000, and I think the last time a Buschfinitywide-only team won the championship. I think it's all been Cup owners ever since. Sure, Chase Elliott won it in a JRM car a few years ago, but I think we all know that team is just Hendrick Lite.
 
ToyYoda said:
I believe so. That was in 2000, and I think the last time a Buschfinitywide-only team won the championship. I think it's all been Cup owners ever since. Sure, Chase Elliott won it in a JRM car a few years ago, but I think we all know that team is just Hendrick Lite.
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This to me is what ruined the Busch/Nationwide/Xfinity Series. It's not the Cup drivers running races. They've always done that. It's the Cup teams that did it. By running Cup equipment and using Cup personnel, and pricing out all the smaller teams. Thus creating a huge equipment and funding disparity.
 
JBone88 said:
This to me is what ruined the Busch/Nationwide/Xfinity Series. It's not the Cup drivers running races. They've always done that. It's the Cup teams that did it. By running Cup equipment and using Cup personnel, and pricing out all the smaller teams. Thus creating a huge equipment and funding disparity.
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Ryan Sieg and Blake Koch should be champions then, small teams, but they are punching above their weight most of the time. Out running JGR, RCR, JGR, and one Roush car... Its crazy how most of these smaller teams are fighting for as high as a 12th place finish.
 
Kiante said:
Ryan Sieg and Blake Koch should be champions then, small teams, but they are punching above their weight most of the time. Out running JGR, RCR, JGR, and one Roush car... Its crazy how most of these smaller teams are fighting for as high as a 12th place finish.
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Big fan of Blake Koch and have enjoyed the amount of camera time he's got off track this year. He's s cool guy and that whole team is cool from the CC to the crew to the sponsor. Hated that he struggled at Kentucky where I attended but Kyle Busch won to make up for it.
 
Big changes for Xfinity, composite bodies next year except for plate tracks, Daytona and Dega. First race is Darlington for them week after next. It will be interesting to see how they do without the aero advantages the mega teams have been doing.
 
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