Seriously Jimmie?

BobbyFord said:
Isn't that where we are? :D
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LOL.

I don't have the raw data to back this up, but I'm sure that while NASCAR is the most popular form of racing here in the States, F1/open wheel is more popular internationally...like American football vs. soccer.

I'd love to see some numbers and find out whether or not that's actually true.
 
Mr. Gregory said:
LOL.

I don't have the raw data to back this up, but I'm sure that while NASCAR is the most popular form of racing here in the States, F1/open wheel is more popular internationally...like American football vs. soccer.

I'd love to see some numbers and find out whether or not that's actually true.
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Yeah well being that I'm from here, I don't follow open wheel or soccer. But I believe you.
 
Here's my opinion. Open wheel cars are far easier to drive than stock cars, thus it takes more skill to go fast in a stock car than it does to go fast in an open wheel car. I believe if stock car drivers invaded IRL or F1, there would be a lot of current open wheel drivers looking for work.
 
BobbyFord said:
Yeah well being that I'm from here, I don't follow open wheel or soccer. But I believe you.
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Ha ha. Same here, man. I'll watch Indycar sometimes if it's on and I'm bored, just for Kanaan since Danica (there's that name again...LOL) has left the dark side and is now a NASCAR driver.
 
BobbyFord said:
Here's my opinion. Open wheel cars are far easier to drive than stock cars, thus it takes more skill to go fast in a stock car than it does to go fast in an open wheel car. I believe if stock car drivers invaded IRL or F1, there would be a lot of current open wheel drivers looking for work.
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It would be interesting for sure, but I dunno. Have any stock car drivers even jumped to open wheel any time recently other than Allmendinger? And he had little choice and was an open wheeler to begin with anyway, so I don't even think he counts. Until someone tries it and we see the results, it's apples to oranges.

As you alluded to earlier, there's really no reason for them to make the jump, unless they're just looking for a new challenge.
 
BobbyFord said:
Here's my opinion. Open wheel cars are far easier to drive than stock cars, thus it takes more skill to go fast in a stock car than it does to go fast in an open wheel car. I believe if stock car drivers invaded IRL or F1, there would be a lot of current open wheel drivers looking for work.
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I like NASCAR, IndyCar, F1 and NHRA. I think they're different disciplines of racing. Takes different skills to be good in each. They each have the best drivers in their style of racing. NASCAR has very few road courses, so an amazing road racer would be at a disadvantage in that series. F1 has no ovals, so an oval guy like Jimmie Johnson or Ed Carpenter would be at a disadvantage.
 
Mr. Gregory said:
It would be interesting for sure, but I dunno. Have any stock car drivers even jumped to open wheel any time recently other than Allmendinger? And he had little choice and was an open wheeler to begin with anyway, so I don't even think he counts. Until someone tries it and we see the results, it's apples to oranges.

As you alluded to earlier, there's really no reason for them to make the jump, unless they're just looking for a new challenge.
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Allmendinger was an open-wheel guy first. He raced in Champ Car for a long time before going to NASCAR.
 
KevinWI said:
Allmendinger was an open-wheel guy first. He raced in Champ Car for a long time before going to NASCAR.
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Right, I acknowledged that in my post.

So yeah, I don't know of any notable stock car driver that has jumped to open wheel anytime recently. I'm pretty sure Stewart at one point said the F1 car he tested was really easy to drive. But the question is, is it really easy to drive it as quickly as possible at full-blown race pace, and do it better and faster than everyone else? Doubtful.
 
Mr. Gregory said:
Right, I acknowledged that in my post.

So yeah, I don't know of any notable stock car driver that has jumped to open wheel anytime recently. I'm pretty sure Stewart at one point said the F1 car he tested was really easy to drive. But the question is, is it really easy to drive it as quickly as possible at full-blown race pace, and do it better and faster than everyone else? Doubtful.
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None recently that I can recall. Stanton Barrett tried a few IndyCar races in his own team but he wasn't worth a damn in NASCAR either, so not really a fair comparison.
 
KevinWI said:
None recently that I can recall. Stanton Barrett tried a few IndyCar races in his own team but he wasn't worth a damn in NASCAR either, so not really a fair comparison.
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LOL. Stanton Barrett. He was the stuntman, right? Yeah, he never did anything in NASCAR.

I've heard a few people throw Kyle Busch's name out there as a guy that could be good in F1, but I dunno, he might be a little too aggressive for that stuff. F1 cars seem like they have pretty much no margin for error, and he has definitely been known to overdrive a race car. Bad combination.
 
It always amazes me that the jock tv reporters who don't follow auto racing , make f1 or indy their lead story over Nascar . Imagine , leading with a race story that has no North American drivers ,in some foreign sandpit that nobody has heard of . So I gotta wait and see if there is going to be a Nascar story later on in the broadcast.
 
If it's got wheels, wings or propellers and there's a race to the finish line - I'm watching it :D
 
ted@economy said:
It always amazes me that the jock tv reporters who don't follow auto racing , make f1 or indy their lead story over Nascar . Imagine , leading with a race story that has no North American drivers ,in some foreign sandpit that nobody has heard of . So I gotta wait and see if there is going to be a Nascar story later on in the broadcast.
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Wow, I wish I got that channel.
 
KevinWI said:
No, you know exactly what I'm trying to prove, don't play coy with me.

I like Montoya a lot. I am one of his biggest fans, I still like him from his great 99-00 seasons in CART and I've defended him before here when people have challenged his road racing skills. But, he was run out of Formula One. He never lived up to expectations and wasn't the championship contender people expected of him and his dominance in American open-wheel racing. He was fired from Williams. He was fired from McLaren. He didn't come to NASCAR because he had conquered Formula One. He came to NASCAR because he had nowhere else to go and he could either race for crap Minardi in Formula One, or screw around in IndyCar for a tiny paycheck.

I know you stock car guys like to pretend that every open wheeler/road racer who comes to NASCAR is Ayrton Senna or Michael Schumacher, but a lot of these guys aren't top notch championship grade talent, or aren't anymore. So, again, I ask, do you think Bobby Labonte, Jamie McMurray or Ryan Newman would turn any heads if they tried to move to IndyCar or Formula One?
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No one cares! That's the point I think you are missing... this is a NASCAR forum.
 
BobbyFord said:
How did we get from Jimmie to Juan? :confused:
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KevinWI said:
StandOnIt said that NASCAR was the highest form of motorsport. I politely disagreed and somehow Montoya's credentials became the lynch pin of both of our arguments. :confused: :confused: :confused:
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NOPE! It was when I said Im starting to like Montoya and his biggest fan over here had a problem with that for some reason. o_O
 
#17D500winner said:
IROC series...drivers racing equally prepared vehicles and relying on their own skill only. Interesting concept but not much room for excuses;)
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Yeah, I was a fan. Steve Kinser even won one, if I remember correctly. And Mark Martin holds the record, I think, for either wins or titles or maybe both....
 
SlicedBread22 said:
NOPE! It was when I said Im starting to like Montoya and his biggest fan over here had a problem with that for some reason. o_O
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It had nothing to do with you.

StandOnIt said:
that brings up another point. JPM, Marcus Ambrose, Dario, Pappas, Villinouve, on and on, have either tried to make a success in Nascar, or failed trying. To me that is the one gauge to show that Nascar racing is the most competitive form of racing on the planet. When you have x f1, V8 supercar champions, Indy car champions, road racing champions in Nascar and to be quite frank, none of them are doing that well, show me anyway just how tough it is to be a winner.
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Is the post that started the debate between SOT and me on where NASCAR ranks in motorsport. Believe me, I could care less what you think about anything.
 
97forever said:
Yeah, I was a fan. Steve Kinser even won one, if I remember correctly. And Mark Martin holds the record, I think, for either wins or titles or maybe both....
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Yeah, I remember some good battles in those races.
 
#17D500winner said:
IROC series...drivers racing equally prepared vehicles and relying on their own skill only. Interesting concept but not much room for excuses;)
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IROC was neat but all the F1 guys boycotted it after a few years because it was only run on NASCAR superspeedways and big ovals. They should have thrown some road courses in there.

If I was going to have an international all-star championship series, I would have...

1 race at Road America.
1 race at Laguna Seca.
1 race at Sebring.
1 race at Bristol.
1 race at Darlington.
1 race at Daytona.

If you can do well on three different styles of road course and a short oval, difficult intermediate oval and a superspeedway, then you are one of the best ever.
 
KevinWI said:
IROC was neat but all the F1 guys boycotted it after a few years because it was only run on NASCAR superspeedways and big ovals. They should have thrown some road courses in there.

If I was going to have an international all-star championship series, I would have...

1 race at Road America.
1 race at Laguna Seca.
1 race at Sebring.
1 race at Bristol.
1 race at Darlington.
1 race at Daytona.

If you can do well on three different styles of road course and a short oval, difficult intermediate oval and a superspeedway, then you are one of the best ever.
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Agreed, and that was my only real complaint with the series. More true track/vehicle variety should have been offered.
 
BobbyFord said:
Here's my opinion. Open wheel cars are far easier to drive than stock cars, thus it takes more skill to go fast in a stock car than it does to go fast in an open wheel car. I believe if stock car drivers invaded IRL or F1, there would be a lot of current open wheel drivers looking for work.
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I don't know, it's all about different skill sets. I know that a lot of open wheel drivers have come to NASCAR and didn't pan out, but I think you'd see the exact same thing if a NASCAR driver who's never run open wheel suddenly decided to make the jump over there. Stock cars and open wheel cars are just two completely different animals.
 
ToyYoda said:
I don't know, it's all about different skill sets. I know that a lot of open wheel drivers have come to NASCAR and didn't pan out, but I think you'd see the exact same thing if a NASCAR driver who's never run open wheel suddenly decided to make the jump over there. Stock cars and open wheel cars are just two completely different animals.
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Correct.

And as someone above correctly pointed out, the difference is between national(US) rankings and international motorsports rankings. Nascar is the top dog here, but the world is bigger than just the US.

JPM having one INDY500 win trumps just about anything NASCAR can offer as far as overall motorsports accomplishments go.
 
The Iroc started off well in 73 using Porsches and had drivers and plenty of different tracks to race on and it stayed that way for quite a while. 75 saw Camaros and 5 F1 drivers out of 12 drivers, there were between 2 and five F1 drivers for five more years. 81 -83 it didn't happen. In 84 from then on it was mostly ovals. Plenty of future and former f1 drivers we invited to drive the series, and they did. 1992 -2005 it was all oval racing with almost exclusively oval drivers. Most of the races were run in conjunction with the Nascar race that was there. It folded in 2007, from lack of sponsorship.
 
StandOnIt said:
The Iroc started off well in 73 using Porsches and had drivers and plenty of different tracks to race on and it stayed that way for quite a while. 75 saw Camaros and 5 F1 drivers out of 12 drivers, there were between 2 and five F1 drivers for five more years. 81 -83 it didn't happen. In 84 from then on it was mostly ovals. Plenty of future and former f1 drivers we invited to drive the series, and they did. 1992 -2005 it was all oval racing with almost exclusively oval drivers. Most of the races were run in conjunction with the Nascar race that was there. It folded in 2007, from lack of sponsorship.
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Yep, was a classic series in those early years.

And that '73 Porsche....same one Bobby Allison once described as a 'flattened out wanna be chevy corvair'......hahah! Bobby is and always was THE MAN!
 
KevinWI said:
It had nothing to do with you.


Is the post that started the debate between SOT and me on where NASCAR ranks in motorsport. Believe me, I could care less what you think about anything.
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Okay so than this isn't how the conversation went?


SlicedBread22 said:
Hehehe.. I never thought I would say these words but JPM is startin to grow on me lol... I wanted to see him win at Richmond and Dover.. and after watching that interview made me like him even more LOL when told about JJ saying he found a loop hole his response "Woow.. I'm that good!" Just cracked me up. Can't believe JJ is STILL crying about that. He would have won if he'd just given it back that's the best part.
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Jeffrey00 said:
All you guys now starting to like Juan need to shut it. Thus is the same ole JPM that I and others have liked from the start. Now that he is going up against JJ people are starting to like him, like he has changed for the better. This is the same JPM from before. I find it funny that some who didn't like him before are changing their tune.
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Jeffrey00 said:
All I am saying is you like JPM for who he is now and the shut he is pulling, then you should have been a fan of his from the start. This is the same JPM that has always been around. Now that he is pulling shut with Jimmie more people are starting to like him. Hypocrites if you ask me.
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StandOnIt said:
open minded if you ask me.
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StandOnIt said:
that brings up another point. JPM, Marcus Ambrose, Dario, Pappas, Villinouve, on and on, have either tried to make a success in Nascar, or failed trying. To me that is the one gauge to show that Nascar racing is the most competitive form of racing on the planet. When you have x f1, V8 supercar champions, Indy car champions, road racing champions in Nascar and to be quite frank, none of them are doing that well, show me anyway just how tough it is to be a winner.
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o_O Looks to me like this stemmed from my saying I'm starting to like him and whats his name not liking that... etc. the only reason open wheel discussion came up is from this..
 
Tell ya what bread crumbs, you liking any other driver besides the Joey fixation, is progress IMO. It is possible to like multiple drivers..even in other series. Keep it up.
 
SlicedBread22 said:
o_O Looks to me like this stemmed from my saying I'm starting to like him and whats his name not liking that... etc. the only reason open wheel discussion came up is from this..
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Emphasis mine:
StandOnIt said:
that brings up another point. JPM, Marcus Ambrose, Dario, Pappas, Villinouve, on and on, have either tried to make a success in Nascar, or failed trying. To me that is the one gauge to show that Nascar racing is the most competitive form of racing on the planet. When you have x f1, V8 supercar champions, Indy car champions, road racing champions in Nascar and to be quite frank, none of them are doing that well, show me anyway just how tough it is to be a winner.
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"That brings up another point" means the start of a new point of discussion. But, if you want to believe that our debate about Montoya's credentials was all about you, go ahead.
 
SlicedBread22 said:
Okay so than this isn't how the conversation went?








o_O Looks to me like this stemmed from my saying I'm starting to like him and whats his name not liking that... etc. the only reason open wheel discussion came up is from this..
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I liked your post for sheer tenacity, dude.

KevinWI said:
Emphasis mine:

"That brings up another point" means the start of a new point of discussion. But, if you want to believe that our debate about Montoya's credentials was all about you, go ahead.
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And yours for sheer accuracy.


Win/win!
 
KevinWI said:
Emphasis mine:

"That brings up another point" means the start of a new point of discussion. But, if you want to believe that our debate about Montoya's credentials was all about you, go ahead.
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Not saying it was about me lmao, but "that brings up another point." I get what ur saying... but my main point is GO OVER TO THE DAMN OPEN WHEEL DISCUSSION TO TALK ABOUT THIS BS!! Welcome to the NASCAR forum, thread about Jimmie Johnson too lol.. If you want to believe that ur discussion is relevant...go ahead.
 
Charlie Spencer said:
Bobby Labonte doesn't turn heads in NASCAR any more. At one point several years ago, Jeff Gordon was courted by a couple of F1 teams; he decided to stay put. If anyone, I think Kyle could be successful at F1; he's been successful at everything else. At one time, I would have said Tony but I think he's now too old to make the transition.

Don't take this wrong, but I'm never sure how much of a successful open-wheel campaign is in the hardware as opposed to the meat in the ****pit. It has to be easier to drive a car that's purpose-built for racing as opposed to a bastardized sedan.
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I think it is apples and oranges. An F1 car has the sophistication that helps when compared to a bastardize Sedan. But the acceleration and decceleration capabilities and the corning has to push the g forces more in an F1 car. While a cup driver has to manage the extra weight, and bumping.

I really dont compare the two as to who has the most talented drivers. The required demands or parameters are too distinct imo, to compare them.
 
StandOnIt said:
Tell ya what bread crumbs, you liking any other driver besides the Joey fixation, is progress IMO. It is possible to like multiple drivers..even in other series. Keep it up.
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Thanks but I never said I don't like other drivers lol.. just came into this forum with a couple things to say and people that didn't want to hear it :p I actually like a lot of drivers. I`m a fan of Bowyer, Mark Martin, Edwards, Kahne, Burton among others in all 3 series, I like a lot of the new young guns like Larson, Wallace and Blaney.. and of course now JPM lol. Joey`s just my number 1 driver.. for reasons I think we`ll all see over the next few years. :D
 
Damn, I went to bed, had a nice dream, got up and had a great breakfast, and you guys haven't settled this yet.:eek::)
 
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