Silly Season 2024

I haven't been paying much attention to Austin Cindric, but it looks like he has been just as bad as 3 of the SHR cars. Maybe SHR isn't the problem, it could be Ford as a whole, 3 top 10's for Cindric this year with a 21.1 avg finish.

It gives me more hope that SHR will turn it around considering Ford has 4 of the last 5 wins. I certainly hope they stick with Ford, not sure they'd improve with ECR engines. Just look @ how bad Legacy has been this year. They've been horrific actually, with two solid drivers in Erik Jones & Noah Gragson.
 
JJ_14 said:
I haven't been paying much attention to Austin Cindric, but it looks like he has been just as bad as 3 of the SHR cars. Maybe SHR isn't the problem, it could be Ford as a whole, 3 top 10's for Cindric this year with a 21.1 avg finish.

It gives me more hope that SHR will turn it around considering Ford has 4 of the last 5 wins. I certainly hope they stick with Ford, not sure they'd improve with ECR engines. Just look @ how bad Legacy has been this year. They've been horrific actually, with two solid drivers in Erik Jones & Noah Gragson.
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Yeah, it's not the engine, it's not the drivers, it's everything else. The people they have don't know how to build, race and setup the car. The problems are somewhere in those areas. Most of Jones's successes have been his ability to gain spots on restarts, it sure isn't his qualifying spots.
 
I think Lagano in terms of speed is at a low point with Penske. They will recover but he I think he has been limted by the lack of speed this season.

Lagano has never been one of my favorites but he is a monster on late race restarts and craft. He just needs a little more speed than he currently has to make it happen.
 
Greg said:
I think Lagano in terms of speed is at a low point with Penske. They will recover but he I think he has been limted by the lack of speed this season.

Lagano has never been one of my favorites but he is a monster on late race restarts and craft. He just needs a little more speed than he currently has to make it happen.
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Yeah Logano has showed up late in the races in good spots a few times, but when they restart, he can't hold it and slides back from the lack of speed.
 
Article on comments preacher Joe made on Sirius yesterday regarding Hambone contract negotiations. Also comments from TRD’s Wilson. Clearly, Dennis is working over both of them to squeeze maximum $$$ offers, leveraging the threat of driving for his own team and switching to Ford (per rumors)…and squeezing Ford at the same time. THIS is why NASCAR should have never allowed him to have conflicting interests (owner of one team, driver in another).
https://www.yardbarker.com/nascar/a...love_for_him_to_retire_here/s1_17236_39190860
 
Conover said:
Article on comments preacher Joe made on Sirius yesterday regarding Hambone contract negotiations. Also comments from TRD’s Wilson. Clearly, Dennis is working over both of them to squeeze maximum $$$ offers, leveraging the threat of driving for his own team and switching to Ford (per rumors)…and squeezing Ford at the same time. THIS is why NASCAR should have never allowed him to have conflicting interests (owner of one team, driver in another).
https://www.yardbarker.com/nascar/a...love_for_him_to_retire_here/s1_17236_39190860
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He isn't negotiating with Nascar, they could care less. They aren't involved in this cluster puck and it doesn't look like Ford is either.
 
Conover said:
Article on comments preacher Joe made on Sirius yesterday regarding Hambone contract negotiations. Also comments from TRD’s Wilson. Clearly, Dennis is working over both of them to squeeze maximum $$$ offers, leveraging the threat of driving for his own team and switching to Ford (per rumors)…and squeezing Ford at the same time. THIS is why NASCAR should have never allowed him to have conflicting interests (owner of one team, driver in another).
https://www.yardbarker.com/nascar/a...love_for_him_to_retire_here/s1_17236_39190860
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If it was ok for Dale Sr to do it why shouldn't hamlin be allowed?
 
Daytripper said:
If it was ok for Dale Sr to do it why shouldn't hamlin be allowed?
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I don’t think it should be allowed by any driver. My point is that when NASCAR opens the barn door on a decision or ruling, they can’t close it.
 
Conover said:
Article on comments preacher Joe made on Sirius yesterday regarding Hambone contract negotiations. Also comments from TRD’s Wilson. Clearly, Dennis is working over both of them to squeeze maximum $$$ offers, leveraging the threat of driving for his own team and switching to Ford (per rumors)…and squeezing Ford at the same time. THIS is why NASCAR should have never allowed him to have conflicting interests (owner of one team, driver in another).
https://www.yardbarker.com/nascar/a...love_for_him_to_retire_here/s1_17236_39190860
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What the f*ck has nascar got to do with it? (Dale Jr download reference don’t get angry)

I’m good with it, Dennis is playing a game that anybody on this board would play.


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yeah, major props to Denny for maximizing his leverage and squeezing everyone involved for as much as he can. Whether that be the highly outspoken and always accessible TRD Honcho David Wilson, Preacher Joe, or Ford themselves, thats just a business 101 tactic. Good on him, squeeze em before they squeeze you.
 
Biggreen695 said:
What the f*ck has nascar got to do with it? (Dale Jr download reference don’t get angry)

I’m good with it, Dennis is playing a game that anybody on this board would play.


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Yeah I really don't blame him.

In all likelihood, as a driver he was making 50%-150% more 15 years ago compared to now. That has to suck. Let him fight for every $10k he wants. If that involves strong holding JGR, TRD, and any other parties involved, so be it.
 
Jorge De Guzman said:
yeah, major props to Denny for maximizing his leverage and squeezing everyone involved for as much as he can. Whether that be the highly outspoken and always accessible TRD Honcho David Wilson, Preacher Joe, or Ford themselves, thats just a business 101 tactic. Good on him, squeeze em before they squeeze you.
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Maybe??? I mean, does he really have that much leverage?

If I were TRD, I would tell Denny and 23XI to kick rocks. That would mean Ford (who really has nothing much to offer them now anyway) would hold all the cards and could essentially get them for free. Which would probably force Denny to crawl back to TRD for slightly more than free (and certainly less than now). Yes, nobody would ever blame Denny or a team owner for kicking lots of tires - I agree with you, it's good business, and informational meetings happen all...the...time. But you gotta be really careful how hard you kick. Teams need the OEM way more than the OEM needs the team.
 
Every single day that goes by Hamlin's position gets weaker. JGR doesn't need Hamlin, all they have to do is look down at Xfinity or even the trucks to find a decent driver for a hell of alot less then they are paying now. The yota new deal has taken the 23XI out of being an affiliate for JGR so they don't give a flip about 23XI, they are competition now.
 
Also, in reading this thread, if you don't think Tony/SHR would switch to Toyota for the right price, I want whatever it is you're smoking. And that's a fact, which I happen to know is based on facts. ;) That doesn't mean it'll ever happen, but depending on how things shake out, there's certainly an above zero chance. It's just business!
 
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My point is that when NASCAR opens the barn door on a decision or ruling, they can’t close it.
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Exactly what horses do you see as having escaped? So Hamlin has taking advantage of wherever leverage he may have; what's the issue? Last time I checked, this was still a business.
 
Allenbaba said:
Also, in reading this thread, if you don't think Tony/SHR would switch to Toyota for the right price, I want whatever it is you're smoking. And that's a fact, which I happen to know is based on facts. ;) That doesn't mean it'll ever happen, but depending on how things shake out, there's certainly an above zero chance. It's just business!
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Toyota put out an APB that they were looking for more teams...didn't work for SHR or anybody else but Legacy.
 
StandOnIt said:
Every single day that goes by Hamlin's position gets weaker. JGR doesn't need Hamlin, all they have to do is look down at Xfinity or even the trucks to find a decent driver for a hell of alot less then they are paying now. The yota new deal has taken the 23XI out of being an affiliate for JGR so they don't give a flip about 23XI, they are competition now.
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I disagree with that. FedEx/Hamlin is by far the strongest long-term partnership in NASCAR. If FedEx is considering leaving or cutting back, Hamlin leaving could be the straw that breaks the camels back. I think Hamlin has tangible leverage in this deal for sure.
 
Speedbowl14 said:
I disagree with that. FedEx/Hamlin is by far the strongest long-term partnership in NASCAR. If FedEx is considering leaving or cutting back, Hamlin leaving could be the straw that breaks the camels back. I think Hamlin has tangible leverage in this deal for sure.
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FedEx has to know Denny will likely retire after one more contract anyway. Their relationship is with JGR and Denny the Driver; they may not be interested in 23XI and Denny the Owner.
 
Speedbowl14 said:
I disagree with that. FedEx/Hamlin is by far the strongest long-term partnership in NASCAR. If FedEx is considering leaving or cutting back, Hamlin leaving could be the straw that breaks the camels back. I think Hamlin has tangible leverage in this deal for sure.
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Uh, FedX ships Toyota stuff all over the world...what does Hamlin do again?
 
Speedbowl14 said:
I disagree with that. FedEx/Hamlin is by far the strongest long-term partnership in NASCAR. If FedEx is considering leaving or cutting back, Hamlin leaving could be the straw that breaks the camels back. I think Hamlin has tangible leverage in this deal for sure.
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FedEx has already cut back quite a bit. This same time last year there were only three races in which they weren’t the primary sponsor. So far this year, they’ve only been the primary nine times. Look at how often Mavis has been the primary this summer.
 
FLRacingFan said:
FedEx has already cut back quite a bit. This same time last year there were only three races in which they weren’t the primary sponsor. So far this year, they’ve only been the primary nine times. Look at how often Mavis has been the primary this summer.
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There were rumors that I don't like to spread that FedX having money problems was pulling out of Nascar, and yeah they have cut back. They have a new Chief executive officer, so money problems and a new guy at the helm can spell problems. We've seen it happen more than once.
 
The Nature Boy said:
Scott Riggs was a competitive Busch driver who never got it going in Cup
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To be fair, this is probably the worst example you could give. Scott Riggs really didn't get a fair shake in Cup with all the stuff going on at Evernham.

The Erin Crocker affair literally ended Scott Riggs' career.
 
Allenbaba said:
Maybe??? I mean, does he really have that much leverage?

If I were TRD, I would tell Denny and 23XI to kick rocks. That would mean Ford (who really has nothing much to offer them now anyway) would hold all the cards and could essentially get them for free. Which would probably force Denny to crawl back to TRD for slightly more than free (and certainly less than now). Yes, nobody would ever blame Denny or a team owner for kicking lots of tires - I agree with you, it's good business, and informational meetings happen all...the...time. But you gotta be really careful how hard you kick. Teams need the OEM way more than the OEM needs the team.
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Bubba Wallace is a huge asset for TRD though.
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
Bubba Wallace is a huge asset for TRD though.
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Kinda? I mean, they've let him walk before. And he's certainly been on an actual "hot seat" in the not so distant past. Gun to head, I would probably bet on 23XI and TRD staying together. My point was that no one is going to be putting TRD over a barrel. Not with the amount of interest they got when they were searching for a team. As they say, next man up...
 
Allenbaba said:
Maybe??? I mean, does he really have that much leverage?

If I were TRD, I would tell Denny and 23XI to kick rocks. That would mean Ford (who really has nothing much to offer them now anyway) would hold all the cards and could essentially get them for free. Which would probably force Denny to crawl back to TRD for slightly more than free (and certainly less than now). Yes, nobody would ever blame Denny or a team owner for kicking lots of tires - I agree with you, it's good business, and informational meetings happen all...the...time. But you gotta be really careful how hard you kick. Teams need the OEM way more than the OEM needs the team.
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“But you gotta be really careful how hard you kick. Teams need the OEM way more than the OEM needs the team.”

@Allenbaba, I get what you’re saying. But if JGR and TRD are both truly wanting The Hamster back, but no contract yet, what do you think is the sticking point? Does Dennis want Yota to pony up enough $$$ for his team to buy another charter to factory support? Is it a much more lucrative driver contract that pushes boundaries?

Frankly I hope self-possessed Hambone does push his negotiation envelope over the proverbial edge.
 
Conover said:
“But you gotta be really careful how hard you kick. Teams need the OEM way more than the OEM needs the team.”

@Allenbaba, I get what you’re saying. But if JGR and TRD are both truly wanting The Hamster back, but no contract yet, what do you think is the sticking point? Does Dennis want Yota to pony up enough $$$ for his team to buy another charter to factory support? Is it a much more lucrative driver contract that pushes boundaries?

Frankly I hope self-possessed Hambone does push his negotiation envelope over the proverbial edge.
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I know 23XI is looking to get "more" from TRD. It happens every time a team and OEM contract comes up for renewal.

As for Denny and JGR, I don't know the specifics. But it's pretty hard to make a commitment to a guy when the totality of the sponsorship isn't firmed up. So it could could just be bad timing for now. And, like Kyle before him, even if they do sell more races, he's making A LOT of money right now. So he's probably going to have to come to the same conclusion Kyle did when he realizes what the market for a Cup driver in 2023 is. I don't know that he'd be willing to leave manufacturers for as little as Kyle left for (then again, there were also many other reasons why Kyle wasn't resigned that aren't applicable to Denny), but he sure as *&#% won't be making what he's used to making. The times have certainly changed.
 
Didn't Chris Rice say they were doing something surprising with the #31? Matt DiBenedetto to Kaulig?
 
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