Spec engine coming to the Trucks

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Sauter to test spec engine at Talladega Saturday

Each engine can compete for approximately 1,500 miles at various track lengths before needing to be serviced and possibly rebuilt.

Some teams estimate the spec engine could reduce engine costs by $500,000 or more in their yearly competition budget.

NASCAR is expected to roll-out the optional spec engine beginning at Daytona (Fla.) International Speedway in Feb. 2018, with the sanctioning body expecting to make it mandatory in 2019.
http://www.espn.com/jayski/trucks/2...14/sauter-test-spec-engine-talladega-saturday
 
So what does this mean for manufacturer involvement? I can't imagine they will offer any financial support to any truck teams
 
ARCA and K&N I believe run spec engines. They have been using composite bodies for awhile. They look like they always did. I haven't heard anything about trucks switching to composite bodies. they probably should IMO. Money saver.
 
StandOnIt said:
ARCA and K&N I believe run spec engines. They have been using composite bodies for awhile. They look like they always did. I haven't heard anything about trucks switching to composite bodies. they probably should IMO. Money saver.
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Remind me how composite bodies save money. Does the material itself costs less than sheet metal, or is it something else?
 
Well on one end Nascar is trying to help teams but then they go and do what Nascar always does and line their own pockets.

Jimmy Means was on Nascar radio and said that for pit guns next year it will be $900 a race to lease guns. That is $300 per gun and he said a team needs 3 per race. So now it will cost teams almost $36000 a year to lease guns. And probably the lease money goes to Nascar.

Jimmy also said it is $30000 per car to switch to the composite bodies.
 
“Definitely the amount of labor it takes to re-tool a car (is a big benefit),” XFINITY Series director Wayne Auton told NASCAR.com. “The labor…is where the owners are going to save the money. The body parts are about the same as what a steel body costs but the (savings will be in) labor time, the turnaround time.”

http://www.performanceracing.com/ne...s-supply-new-flange-fit-bodies-xfinity-series

"... you could take the side off a car and put one back on it out in the parking lot."

http://www.jeccomposites.com/knowle...-teams-have-flange-fit-composite-body-option-
 
StandOnIt said:
ARCA and K&N I believe run spec engines. They have been using composite bodies for awhile. They look like they always did. I haven't heard anything about trucks switching to composite bodies. they probably should IMO. Money saver.
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Yates builds spec engines for the K&N series.
 
StandOnIt said:
Sauter to test spec engine at Talladega Saturday

Each engine can compete for approximately 1,500 miles at various track lengths before needing to be serviced and possibly rebuilt.

Some teams estimate the spec engine could reduce engine costs by $500,000 or more in their yearly competition budget.

NASCAR is expected to roll-out the optional spec engine beginning at Daytona (Fla.) International Speedway in Feb. 2018, with the sanctioning body expecting to make it mandatory in 2019.
http://www.espn.com/jayski/trucks/2...14/sauter-test-spec-engine-talladega-saturday
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Whats wrong with a "spec" engine?
 
Ilmor 396 engine in ARCA I believe. And I think Ilmor might have the truck contract. That's is the engine they are testing.
 
aunty dive said:
“Definitely the amount of labor it takes to re-tool a car (is a big benefit),” XFINITY Series director Wayne Auton told NASCAR.com. “The labor…is where the owners are going to save the money. The body parts are about the same as what a steel body costs but the (savings will be in) labor time, the turnaround time.”

http://www.performanceracing.com/ne...s-supply-new-flange-fit-bodies-xfinity-series

"... you could take the side off a car and put one back on it out in the parking lot."

http://www.jeccomposites.com/knowle...-teams-have-flange-fit-composite-body-option-
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We were racing at Nasvhille Fairgrounds Speedway and staying at the Opryland Hotel and needed to make a couple of Changes to the car and did it in the parking lot, they were not too happy lol.
 
Yes, but apparently not the necessary search skills.

Composite body sensors save money

turns up plenty of results about how switching the material saves on labor and parts, but nothing about the sensors. You're the one said they'd save money; please support your position.
 
Charlie Spencer said:
Yes, but apparently not the necessary search skills.

Composite body sensors save money

turns up plenty of results about how switching the material saves on labor and parts, but nothing about the sensors. You're the one said they'd save money; please support your position.
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Tweaking surfaces to gain points of downforce or to reduce drag is expensive.
 
Charlie Spencer said:
So it's an indirect savings, eliminating an R&D area?
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The cost of testing in the Aerodyne wind tunnel in Charlotte is currently $1,975 / hour for an 8 hour "shift". You can do 4 hours with a $1,000 surcharge.

Add the cost of transportation to and from shop and the cost of your own people at the facility for the day or days. The expectation is that while teams will still test what they've got, they'll do much less of it. I'd categorize the savings as direct and not insignificant.
 
aunty dive said:
The cost of testing in the Aerodyne wind tunnel in Charlotte is currently $1,975 / hour for an 8 hour "shift". You can do 4 hours with a $1,000 surcharge.

Add the cost of transportation to and from shop and the cost of your own people at the facility for the day or days. The expectation is that while teams will still test what they've got, they'll do much less of it. I'd categorize the savings as direct and not insignificant.
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big deal IMO is that the smaller teams can go without that money and expense and be competitive. The mega teams had different aero tweaks on the body for every track. This is going to take that advantage away.
 
nitetrain said:
Well on one end Nascar is trying to help teams but then they go and do what Nascar always does and line their own pockets.

Jimmy Means was on Nascar radio and said that for pit guns next year it will be $900 a race to lease guns. That is $300 per gun and he said a team needs 3 per race. So now it will cost teams almost $36000 a year to lease guns. And probably the lease money goes to Nascar.

Jimmy also said it is $30000 per car to switch to the composite bodies.
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I agree..... all the new rules and regulations that Nascar imposes to ''help the teams to lower costs''....... just seems like a farce to me...... It's just like Govt....... the more rules they make....... the worse the situation gets........
 
nitetrain said:
Well on one end Nascar is trying to help teams but then they go and do what Nascar always does and line their own pockets.

Jimmy Means was on Nascar radio and said that for pit guns next year it will be $900 a race to lease guns. That is $300 per gun and he said a team needs 3 per race. So now it will cost teams almost $36000 a year to lease guns. And probably the lease money goes to Nascar.

Jimmy also said it is $30000 per car to switch to the composite bodies.
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chicken feed if they can save half a million on engines.
 
if they would run real stock cars and trucks
it would be far cheaper
speeds much lower so most aero problems disappear
and johnny no-one can easily get his start
take the big money out of nascar
and make it a sport again
 
aunty dive said:
When money stops growing everything comes grinding to a halt.
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I am going to disagree with that. I have no facts to prove you wrong. I do need a better definition as to what you mean "money stop growing".
 
The ripple effect of this will be interesting. I believe that Toyota will pull out of Trucks sooner rather than later if all of this happens as suggested. Honestly, I can't imagine them staying next year as NASCAR ensures that the manufacturer based teams (errr, Toyota) get their asses kicked by the spec motor. Once Toyota leaves, what will that mean for KBM? Clearly, Toyota has done for Kyle what Ford wouldn't for Brad, but what now? If/when KBM shuts down, what will that mean for Kyle's relationship with Toyota? Further, if Toyota pulls out, what does that mean for its Driver Development Program? I don't like this. I don't like any of this.
 
StandOnIt said:
Toyota hasn't pulled out of any series that uses the Spec motor model so far.
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Unless there is a concession or change of heart, David Wilson made his intentions very clear when all of this started IMO.
 
Revman said:
The ripple effect of this will be interesting. I believe that Toyota will pull out of Trucks sooner rather than later if all of this happens as suggested. Honestly, I can't imagine them staying next year as NASCAR ensures that the manufacturer based teams (errr, Toyota) get their asses kicked by the spec motor. Once Toyota leaves, what will that mean for KBM? Clearly, Toyota has done for Kyle what Ford wouldn't for Brad, but what now? If/when KBM shuts down, what will that mean for Kyle's relationship with Toyota? Further, if Toyota pulls out, what does that mean for its Driver Development Program? I don't like this. I don't like any of this.
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Not good for toyota but maybe they will move that money to cup
 
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