Sports TV ratings, etc. Random sports talk

FLRacingFan said:
Bad idea. Money grab.

If the idea is to stop tanking, well, the 9-12 range isn’t who’s tanking. And if they were, they wouldn’t quit tanking so they could maybe beat the 7 or 8 seed and get blown out in the first round.The Pistons and Hornets have no business being in the playoffs right now.
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I have no real interest in what the NBA does, or the bowling folks either. What is interesting to me - fascinating actually - is that almost every sport evaluates how its competitions and championships are formatted. The solutions cover a very wide range. There isn't any one righteous way handed down from God on stone tablets. There are any number of trade-offs that involve both sporting and commercial factors. I believe it is folly to say one way is the only right way for any time, much less for all time.

I recently had this discussion with my sister concerning equestrian eventing... a sport that has changed massively since she competed at the World Cup level some 30 years ago. Some parts of the competition are gone entirely, and others have seen radical evolution. Olympic venues now resemble intermediate courses, entirely unlike the grand masters at Burghley and Badminton and Kentucky. And there are reasons and pros/cons for the various changes, many of them not obvious to an outsider. Very complex issues.
 
Dementia claims in NFL concussion settlement are going unpaid, lawyers say
Former NFL players who have made medical claims under the settlement agreement of their class-action concussion lawsuit are not being paid because the league is muddling the claims process, lawyers representing the players have asserted in multiple court filings.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/spor...bc50284fce8_story.html?utm_term=.59b415ec94b5
 
IDK what the catch rule or concussions have to do with TV ratings but since it was posted I'll take a crack at it. The NFL needs to decide what a catch is and the NHL needs to decide what goalie interference is. As far as the concussion settlement goes the lawyer doing the squawking just wants to get paid so of course he or she thinks things are moving slowly but it will all work out in due course.
 
Looks like they have more press there than paying fans at the Staple Center. :D
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LewTheShoe said:
I have no real interest in what the NBA does, or the bowling folks either. What is interesting to me - fascinating actually - is that almost every sport evaluates how its competitions and championships are formatted. The solutions cover a very wide range. There isn't any one righteous way handed down from God on stone tablets. There are any number of trade-offs that involve both sporting and commercial factors. I believe it is folly to say one way is the only right way for any time, much less for all time.

I recently had this discussion with my sister concerning equestrian eventing... a sport that has changed massively since she competed at the World Cup level some 30 years ago. Some parts of the competition are gone entirely, and others have seen radical evolution. Olympic venues now resemble intermediate courses, entirely unlike the grand masters at Burghley and Badminton and Kentucky. And there are reasons and pros/cons for the various changes, many of them not obvious to an outsider. Very complex issues.
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Well put. I don't think any sport's regular season matters more than college football with their four-team playoff and none matters less than college basketball with their conference tournaments and 68-team Big Dance but they've obviously found ways to make both exciting and then you have everything in between.
 
StandOnIt said:
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You need to check out Skedball that was posted for this week as the worst rated NCAA BB game drew 7.8 million fans (Loyola Chicago-Kansas State) on TBS. I didn't look but that is likely a higher number of viewers than Cup has received for the last 3-4 years other than the Daytona 500. 7.8 million fans is probably around what the 500 will get for viewers in 2019 compared to 18 million viewers in 2008. All in all I think the NCAA tourney is doing pretty well wouldn't you say?
 
I'm just not a college sports guy, so the ratings would be pretty poor at my house. But in the context of what is happening in linear TV generally, the numbers have held up quite well. Relatively speaking, March Madness is perhaps as big a force as it has ever been.
 
Supercross ratings have largely been up this year, but the championship in the top class looks like a runaway and several 'name' riders are injured and out, so I have to wonder if that momentum will stall a bit. I watch every Saturday regardless though. Jeff Gluck has become a big fan, and it's nice to see some NASCAR fans getting exposed through that.
 
Unfortunately, with the three remaining games all on TBS this tournament won't finish as strong as it should. But generally it's done well so far.

https://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/Daily/Issues/2018/03/27/Media/NCAA-Tourney.aspx

The NCAA Tournament’s total audience viewership headed into the Final Four is down 3% compared to last year, when the tourney was having its third best performance over the last 24 years. That TV+streaming figure across TBS, TNT, truTV, CBS and March Madness Live was down 4% headed into the Sweet 16. Elite 8 numbers were solid for Turner and CBS, but the Sweet 16 matchups, which featured a record nine teams seeded fifth or lower, were not as strong. For the four Elite 8 games across CBS, TBS and MML, total audience viewership was 10.7 million viewers, up 5% from last year’s 10.2 million viewers (TV-only). Kansas-Duke late on Sunday afternoon was the top game of the weekend, averaging 15.7 million viewers (total audience), which is the best Elite 8 game since ’05, when Michigan State beat Kentucky in double OT. The Kansas-Duke matchup, which went to OT, also was a boon for CBS’ “60 Minutes.” Kansas-Duke peaked at 24.9 million viewers from 7:15-7:30pm ET, as viewers had to wait until the game’s conclusion to watch a highly anticipated interview with Stormy Daniels. That helped power “60 Minutes” to its best audience in around a decade. Through the Elite 8, MML has seen over 17 million live hours of consumption, marking the second-best figure in the platform’s history. The Turner-managed March Madness accounts on Twitter, Facebook and Instagram also have seen a record six million engagements, up 54% from last year.
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dpkimmel2001 said:
I'm stunned that 189,751 viewers would get/stay up for Sunday morning's 1:00am ET race.here in the US of A. That's followed by close 2nd of being stunned that there are actually 189,751 that find the sport interesting.
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I'm very interested, but at the current point it is largely about seeing the potential for how great it could be if they got the formula right so that the cars could actually pass each other in addition to being blazingly fast.
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
I'm stunned that 189,751 viewers would get/stay up for Sunday morning's 1:00am ET race.here in the US of A. That's followed by close 2nd of being stunned that there are actually 189,751 that find the sport interesting.
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Lowest since 2013, which was the first year of the NBC deal.

The current formula is not good and ESPN is already a questionable TV partner.
 
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NCAA Championship Game Viewership Drops 28% From 2017
Despite the declines, this year’s game was easily the most-watched telecast of the night, with the closest competition on broadcast being NBC’s “The Voice” with 9.9 million viewers. Fox aired no original programming against the championship game, while CBS aired only one: the freshman sitcom “Living Biblically” at 9:30 p.m. The nearest competition on cable was the first hour of WWE’s “Monday Night Raw,” which averaged 3.4 million viewers in the hour.

http://variety.com/2018/tv/news/2018-ncaa-championship-game-ratings-1202742895/
 
All in all, this is pretty good. Beats the only other year where the Final Four/NCG were all on TBS (2016), and even beats the 2012 tournament where the entire Elite Eight/Final Four/NCG were all on CBS.

 
No, not ratings but the power of Tiger..... The ratings will follow.

Masters 2018: Tiger Woods driving Vegas windfall of wagers

"I can safely speak for most books that this is going to be the all-time highest-wagered Masters or any golf event in the history of our booking," Jeff Sherman, golf oddsmaker at the Westgate Las Vegas SuperBook, said on ESPN's "Behind the Bets" podcast (via ESPN.com).

According to VegasInsider's latest 2018 Masters odds, Woods is listed as the co-favorite with Jordan Spieth at 10-1.

That's after the Westgate and other sportsbooks opened Woods as a 100-1 long shot in August. And why wouldn't they have?

"At that time, we didn't even know he'd be playing golf at this point," Sherman said. "He looked closer to retirement than he did for competing where he is today."
 
StandOnIt said:
ouch
NCAA Championship Game Viewership Drops 28% From 2017
Despite the declines, this year’s game was easily the most-watched telecast of the night, with the closest competition on broadcast being NBC’s “The Voice” with 9.9 million viewers. Fox aired no original programming against the championship game, while CBS aired only one: the freshman sitcom “Living Biblically” at 9:30 p.m. The nearest competition on cable was the first hour of WWE’s “Monday Night Raw,” which averaged 3.4 million viewers in the hour.

http://variety.com/2018/tv/news/2018-ncaa-championship-game-ratings-1202742895/
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There's a pretty good answer as to why in one of the first sentences of the article.

Airing on TBS, TNT, and truTV, the game averaged 16.5 million viewers, down approximately 28% from 2017’s 23 million when the game aired on CBS.

I couldn't figure out, when I sat down to watch the game, why in the world would they not have broadcast the game on the mothership, CBS? I turned on CBS just before tip-off only to see that they were playing a rerun of 'Big Bang Theory'. I can't help but wonder if Brian France has a part time job as program director for CBS sports. That sounds like a move that he would make.
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
There's a pretty good answer as to why in one of the first sentences of the article.

Airing on TBS, TNT, and truTV, the game averaged 16.5 million viewers, down approximately 28% from 2017’s 23 million when the game aired on CBS.

I couldn't figure out, when I sat down to watch the game, why in the world would they not have broadcast the game on the mothership, CBS? I turned on CBS just before tip-off only to see that they were playing a rerun of 'Big Bang Theory'. I can't help but wonder if Brian France has a part time job as program director for CBS sports. That sounds like a move that he would make.
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Yep that was very odd.
 
It's simple, it is part of the ransom way of doing business. The game would have big ratings on air TV, but it isn't about ratings, it's about money. Ratings continue to fall for all sports, but the gate keepers continue to make their best money with cable subscription deals and advertising.
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
There's a pretty good answer as to why in one of the first sentences of the article.

Airing on TBS, TNT, and truTV, the game averaged 16.5 million viewers, down approximately 28% from 2017’s 23 million when the game aired on CBS.

I couldn't figure out, when I sat down to watch the game, why in the world would they not have broadcast the game on the mothership, CBS? I turned on CBS just before tip-off only to see that they were playing a rerun of 'Big Bang Theory'. I can't help but wonder if Brian France has a part time job as program director for CBS sports. That sounds like a move that he would make.
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Back when the NCAA was shopping the rights around before 2010 or so, ESPN was a major player and was willing to put up a ton of money that CBS couldn't match on their own. Turner Sports came in and joined to help keep the majority of the games on CBS. When they extended a few years ago part of the agreement was that CBS and Turner would rotate broadcasting the Final Four and NCG on an even/odd year basis starting in 2016.
 
StandOnIt said:
It's simple, it is part of the ransom way of doing business. The game would have big ratings on air TV, but it isn't about ratings, it's about money. Ratings continue to fall for all sports, but the gate keepers continue to make their best money with cable subscription deals and advertising.
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Yeah, I know that ratings in general are falling for sports. I can't believe they couldn't make more off of CBS though, with it being available to virtually everyone. I don't know. It's all a mystery to me. It doesn't matter a lot to me. I get basically everything anyhow and I found it in short order. It was just something that we questioned at the time.
 
FLRacingFan said:
Back when the NCAA was shopping the rights around before 2010 or so, ESPN was a major player and was willing to put up a ton of money that CBS couldn't match on their own. Turner Sports came in and joined to help keep the majority of the games on CBS. When they extended a few years ago part of the agreement was that CBS and Turner would rotate broadcasting the Final Four and NCG on an even/odd year basis starting in 2016.
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So, network next year? It'll be interesting to see the difference.
 
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