The Isle of Man TT should be stopped... Now & Forever

Discussion in 'Motorcycle Racing' started by LewTheShoe, May 28, 2016.

  1. LewTheShoe

    LewTheShoe Team Owner

    I will admit that I am drawn to the spectacle of Real Road Racing, epitomized by the IOM TT, like a moth is drawn to a flame. I have a good friend who has raced there, and I even provided partial sponsorship for one of his IOM TT efforts. Thank God my friend survived, his health intact. And thank God he will never race there again.

    Despite the visceral appeal, this type of racing should be banned for the good of society. The carnage is too great and too gruesome to go on. The fatal consequences of the Snaefell Mountain Course, as well as most all the other Irish Real Road Racing courses, can never be ameliorated. And there are other alternatives available, closed circuit racing venues that offer all of the good parts of motorcycle racing, with only a tiny fraction of the bad parts. And there is this harsh reality: if you don't believe closed circuit racing offers the good parts, then you are attracted to the risk certainty of the bloodshed and fatalities of IOM racing.

    Of course, there is the argument that these young men died doing something they loved, but I cannot abide such an argument. I'm not one to support the idea that all danger is bad, nor the idea that the single goal of life is to make it last longer even if blander. I have raced motorcycles on many dangerous tracks that failed to meet even the rudimentary safety standards that existed back in the 1970's and 1980's, much less the far better standards that exist today. It was all we had, and we did our best. I've dived on deep wrecks, and deep caves, and strong currents with no visibility. All I'm saying is, I don't believe in living in a cocoon.

    However, the deaths and debilitating injuries roll on with a regularity that offends the sensibilities of a civilized society. At some point, society must step in and say, "No more." We are way beyond that point. This carnage must be stopped.

    The Isle of Man mountain course holds just two race meetings per year. Just looking at modern times - 2000 to 2015 - riders died every year in that period except 2001. Riders died in 15 years out of 16, and the total was 52 riders killed. My God, averaging 3.25 dead souls per year. And that does not count the associated deaths of race marshals and spectators who sit unprotected at the edge of the tarmac. (If you want to look further back, since racing resumed after WWII, death has been avoided only twice, 1982 and 2001.)

    Enough, I say. This insanity must be stopped, and channeled into responsible closed circuit racing.
     
  2. Greg

    Greg 2014 RF YAHOO CHAMP Your leader

    I disagee. Nobody is forced to participate.
     
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  3. DUN24

    DUN24 Skeptical of the Spectacle.

    I say leave it alone. There is only one Isle of Man, plenty of closed circuits.
     
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  4. utvol0427

    utvol0427 Crew Chief

    This is really all that needs to be said. These guys do it willingly and are completely aware of the risks and dangers involved.
     
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  5. hawg dawg

    hawg dawg Team Owner


    just more " we know better than you " lib p.c. crap.

    freedom means choice...........a no-no in leftieland.
     
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  6. LewTheShoe

    LewTheShoe Team Owner

    That is not sufficient justification. We can't just say, "Any activity is OK so long as the participants are not forced." There are limits to the activities a civilized society will organize and condone (and sell for a profit). The carnage of the IOM TT is beyond the limits, IMO. There are alternatives that offer dramatically less bloodshed.

    I researched which is more deadly... racing at the IOM versus storming the beaches of Normandy at D-Day. If a rider contemplates racing the IOM TT for two to three years, his odds of surviving D-Day are the same as odds of surviving the racing.
     
  7. LewTheShoe

    LewTheShoe Team Owner

    It's not a political issue, so please spare us of your politics. Thank you.
     
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  8. DUN24

    DUN24 Skeptical of the Spectacle.

    Please don't start a campaign to stop ANY form of racing. You're a race fan and that is treason, dammit. :p

    Racing is dangerous, especially on two wheels. Is what it is.
     
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  9. DUN24

    DUN24 Skeptical of the Spectacle.

  10. hawg dawg

    hawg dawg Team Owner

    you........ choosing for tha rest of us........ is political as it gets. :eek::eek:
     
  11. BobbyFord

    BobbyFord Resident Gearhead Contributor

    I don't believe that anyone competing in IOM TT would ever want to see it go away.
    How could they ever replace that feeling?
     
  12. LewTheShoe

    LewTheShoe Team Owner

    So it is good *because* it is so deadly, 3.25 times per year? I cannot buy that! That good feeling can be found elsewhere, on proper racing circuits.
     
  13. BobbyFord

    BobbyFord Resident Gearhead Contributor

    I think it should be up to the participants. JMO.
     
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  14. Greg

    Greg 2014 RF YAHOO CHAMP Your leader

    Well then we should ban a lot of recreational things.

    Especially high performance motorcycles altogether. An individual only needs to travel the speed limit. And any one of them that can exceed interstate speed limits really is a detriment to a civilized society. Purely a way for one to pursue a death wish, or a pursuit to live in an injured dependant state.
    Let's ban American football too.

    What did you eat yesterday? Was it a menu of sugary narcotics? We just have to much self induced type 2 diabetics walking around. Many innocent children walking around with their candy bars and sodas. I think we should ban all of the sodas and snacks.

    Let's reinstitute prohibition too, I have visited too many DUI graves and I have seen too many mothers cry.
    Lets ban all sex that's not absolutely trying to reproduce, that's tough but the pursuit of recreational passion has ruined many.

    Give me some collective counsels that know whats best for all, to reign in the renegades that don't know any better. Because a souless non-passionate existance is worth it all.

    Last of all I dont want to you think the Isle of Man racing itself is a bigee to me. Honestly I had never heard of the place until I joined RF, and almost all of my motorcycle racing interest is in Motocross racing. If I had a kid wanting to race at the Isle of Man, I would absolutly be a nut case with worry. And I would be advising him or her to find a motorsports outlet with better odds of survival.

    But at the end of the day, once they are an adult I would want society to allow them to choose for themselves. And I wouldn't be trying shut the race down even if I had a family member involved in the deadly pursuit.

    People make a lot of questionable choices in life, but a life without some passion is the worst of the two conditions imo.
     
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  15. Mr. Gregory

    Mr. Gregory R-F's Lead Threadjacker & Jamie Little's #1 Fan

    Well said. I agree that these decisions should be left up to the individual.

    I choose not to watch motorcycle road racing (which I had also never heard of before joining this forum) and certain other things that I feel are unnecessarily dangerous, such as MMA and boxing. Other people are perfectly free to make the opposite choice.

    Heck, if someone wanted to create and broadcast a voluntary, real-life version of the Hunger Games, and people were willingly lining up to participate in it, I'd certainly voice my opinion on how incredibly, unfathomably stupid and barbaric it would be, and I wouldn't watch it. I wouldn't try to stop those people from killing each other on national TV if that's what they truly wanted to do, though.
     
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  16. Kyle18fan

    Kyle18fan Guest

    No9body is forced to put a leg over the seat and go out on the track ............. let it be
     
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  17. LewTheShoe

    LewTheShoe Team Owner

    And it goes on and on...

    Dwight Beare
    1988-2016
    R.I.P.
     
  18. LewTheShoe

    LewTheShoe Team Owner

    Paul Shoesmith
    1966-2016
    R.I.P.
     
  19. kkfan91

    kkfan91 Often imitated never duplicated

  20. Greg

    Greg 2014 RF YAHOO CHAMP Your leader

  21. DUN24

    DUN24 Skeptical of the Spectacle.

    The Baja 500 claimed 2 riders lives yesterday in large part due to the 125+ degree temperatures, a spectator died off the start too.


    #destroythemotorcycles
     
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  22. kkfan91

    kkfan91 Often imitated never duplicated

  23. DUN24

    DUN24 Skeptical of the Spectacle.

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  24. kkfan91

    kkfan91 Often imitated never duplicated

    Oh I know I was making a sarcastic point to the whole argument of this thread, motorcycles are dangerous no matter where they are. But it doesn't mean we stop using them
     
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  25. BobbyFord

    BobbyFord Resident Gearhead Contributor

    More people are killed annually by cheeseburgers.
     
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  26. hawg dawg

    hawg dawg Team Owner

    nestle and mars too.:D
     
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  27. Mr. Gregory

    Mr. Gregory R-F's Lead Threadjacker & Jamie Little's #1 Fan

    There's a political joke in there, but since we ain't in the Podium, I'll refrain.
     
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  28. hawg dawg

    hawg dawg Team Owner

    i'm curious........??
     
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  29. LewTheShoe

    LewTheShoe Team Owner

    What about him? What does the tragic death of Moto2 rider Luis Salom have to do with the Isle of Man? If your point is that all motor racing inherently has some degree of danger, well, we all know that and accept that. If your point is that IOM TT racing is like MotoGP racing, that is beyond absurd.

    In my original post I summarized the key fatality stats for IOM racing... deaths every year but one since 2000, averaging 3.25 dead riders per year, at that one venue. And it's due to the obvious disregard for the consequences of racing on that circuit, lined with buildings, fence rows, trees, signposts, ditches, etc. Those things cannot be fixed. They can only be ignored, or stop racing there.

    As stated in the OP, there are much safer ways to go about racing. I have not said every dangerous activity should be stopped. I have said quite the opposite of that. MotoGP has 18 races plus 6 organized tests per year. There are three classes, MotoGP, Moto2, and Moto3. That is a lot of balls-out racing, and the safety record is pretty damn good. It has been 5 years since the last fatal accident, until Luis Salom's crash last Friday. Claiming that IOM racing is comparable to MotoGP is an insult to the intelligence of every person.
     
  30. kkfan91

    kkfan91 Often imitated never duplicated

    My point was you said circuit racing be safer
     
  31. LewTheShoe

    LewTheShoe Team Owner

    I'm very sorry to hear that. Thanks for posting the info.
     
  32. Mr. Gregory

    Mr. Gregory R-F's Lead Threadjacker & Jamie Little's #1 Fan

    IMHO, motorcycle road racing is absolutely more dangerous than MotoGP - easily one of the most dangerous motorsports around - but MotoGP is still pretty darn dangerous in its own right. I'm honestly amazed that those guys don't get killed more often doing that stuff, going that fast with their heads inches from the ground (and other bikes sometimes) in the turns and their bodies completely exposed.
     
  33. LewTheShoe

    LewTheShoe Team Owner

    Ian Bell
    1957-2016
    R.I.P.
     
  34. LewTheShoe

    LewTheShoe Team Owner

    Andrew Soar
    1983-2016
    R.I.P.
     
  35. tbr7

    tbr7 Spectator

    It is unfair for one group of people to say "I don't think it should be this way" and ruin it for everyone
    just like hawg dawg said
     

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