The Isle of Man TT should be stopped... Now & Forever

kyle18fan said:
I watched all the events last year ........ hours and hours of them
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I have 4 same day Velocity highlights episodes scheduled on my DVR as of now starting on 6/3, not including the Senior TT and sidecar 2 race that haven't been listed yet.

Get this Chrome extension and you watch everything online including all IRR races and BSB as well. You will get blocked watching from the U.S if you don't have it. I've been using this extension for 3 years and it's awesome.:D

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Mr Excitement said:
I have 4 same day Velocity highlights episodes scheduled on my DVR as of now starting on 6/3, not including the Senior TT and sidecar 2 race that haven't been listed yet.

Get this Chrome extension and you watch everything online including all IRR races and BSB as well. You will get blocked watching from the U.S if you don't have it. I've been using this extension for 3 years and it's awesome.:D

https://chrome.google.com/webstore/...n-hola/gkojfkhlekighikafcpjkiklfbnlmeio?hl=en

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Thank you sir ......... go enjoy a burro now :D
 
Davey Lambert
1969 - 2017
R.I.P.
 
Jochem van den Hoek
1989 - 2017
R.I.P.
 
Alan Bonner
1984 - 2017
R.I.P.
 
RIP. The folks that compete in this race are something else.
 
DUN24 said:
RIP. The folks that compete in this race are something else.
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Yes, they are something else. I don't blame them for their choice. I understand it. My friend who raced there... and others... I get it.

I blame the Isle of Man leadership for allowing this to go on, for organizing it, promoting it, selling it for profit. The blood of the racers is on their hands. And I blame them as well for the manner in which they sell it... with their constant focus on the daredevil aspect, focusing on the extreme danger to draw an audience, their sneaky use of rapid motion video (the opposite of slow motion) to amplify the viewers' pucker factor. The blood of the racers is on their hands.
 
Again this year, I am bumping this thread. I hope new members (and some old members as well) will spend a few moments to read the original post and ponder the issues involved. (Link to the OP)

I believe a civilized society should decide it can no longer abide the river of fatalities and severe debilitating injuries that flow from the Isle of Man TT, in light of the alternatives that deliver all of the good parts of motorcycle racing with only a small fraction of the bad parts. Others disagree, and their thoughts are valued here as well.

The Isle of Man TT is a perpetual killing machine. Just since 2000, the total loss is 60 racing deaths in a period of 18 years on the Snaefell Mountain Course. In the two years since this thread began, eight riders have died in eight separate crashes. As an old school motorcycle racer from way back, I can't imagine organizing such an event and selling it for profit. The TT should be stopped, now and forever, in favor of responsible closed circuit racing.

In the 72 years of racing since WW2, the Isle of Man has escaped rider fatalities in only two years... 1982 and 2001. I pray that we can add 2018 to that short list.
 
I knew it was a matter of time for this thread when I saw the countdown thread start.
 
My opinion on the Isle of Man TT remains unchanged from two years ago. I don't personally watch it, but to all of those who like it and those who willingly participate in it, knowing full well all of the risks that go along with it, I say



That being said, my opinion on MMA (or, at least, the UFC) from two years ago has changed a lot, after buying the UFC 3 video game on a whim last week and playing it for a while. I used to think it was absolutely senseless, animalistic violence. I was very, very wrong.
 
LewTheShoe said:
Again this year, I am bumping this thread. I hope new members (and some old members as well) will spend a few moments to read the original post and ponder the issues involved. (Link to the OP)

I believe a civilized society should decide it can no longer abide the river of fatalities and severe debilitating injuries that flow from the Isle of Man TT, in light of the alternatives that deliver all of the good parts of motorcycle racing with only a small fraction of the bad parts. Others disagree, and their thoughts are valued here as well.

The Isle of Man TT is a perpetual killing machine. Just since 2000, the total loss is 60 racing deaths in a period of 18 years on the Snaefell Mountain Course. In the two years since this thread began, eight riders have died in eight separate crashes. As an old school motorcycle racer from way back, I can't imagine organizing such an event and selling it for profit. The TT should be stopped, now and forever, in favor of responsible closed circuit racing.

In the 72 years of racing since WW2, the Isle of Man has escaped rider fatalities in only two years... 1982 and 2001. I pray that we can add 2018 to that short list.
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Responsible adults race there ... its their ass. I sure wouldn't want somebody to tell me I couldn't do it if I choose to.
 
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Dan Kneen
1988 - 2018
R.I.P.
 
Thankfully, Steve Mercer has made it past the 48-hour point since his Wednesday practice crash and has been upgraded to "critical but stable" condition. He is breathing with a ventilator, and has neck and spinal injuries of unknown severity. I think it is a good sign that doctors were able to perform surgery on pelvic and leg injuries. Prayers for Steve and his family.
 
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Adam Lyon
1992 - 2018
R.I.P.
 
Steve Mercer remains in hospital following his May 30 crash at the TT. His wife has indicated that he has been moved from intensive care to a "normal ward" but no other news. Unfortunately, lawyers are now involved and have halted the updates. As of a couple weeks ago, Mercer remained in a coma with brain and spine injuries of undisclosed severity.

These are the hardest kind. I send prayers and positive thoughts to Steve and his wife Caroline, and ask others to do the same.
 
Everyone knows and understands the risks completely, anyone who can't figure out the risks before they race there are complete morons. They have all heard the stats already. They already know and so does everyone else.

A lot of people die attempting to climb mount everest too, probably on a ratio even greater than the Isle of man TT. They know the risks too, but they spend a lot of effort and money to attempt to do it. You can educate people on the risks if you wish, but I don't think anyone has a right to ban something like the TT or climbing a mountain. You make your own choices and let others make theirs.
 
Don said:
Everyone knows and understands the risks completely, anyone who can't figure out the risks before they race there are complete morons. They have all heard the stats already. They already know and so does everyone else.

A lot of people die attempting to climb mount everest too, probably on a ratio even greater than the Isle of man TT. They know the risks too, but they spend a lot of effort and money to attempt to do it. You can educate people on the risks if you wish, but I don't think anyone has a right to ban something like the TT or climbing a mountain. You make your own choices and let others make theirs.
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Thank you for chiming in. My posts convey no disrespect for the riders, and no sarcasm either, in fact quite the contrary. Certainly, it is an unpleasant topic, and it would be far easier for me to just ignore it. I posted the topic because I feel it is important, even though unpleasant.

My disdain is explicitly directed toward those who produce this event, and promote it as a danger show, and sell it for profit. The blood of the 62 dead riders (just in the 19 years since 2000) is on their hands. In a civilized society, there are limits to what we will or should condone, in my opinion.

Secondarily, I am angered by the callous attitude displayed by many who hype the TT. One well-known website owner/publisher engaged with me in a debate about the event, and justified the carnage in part by saying, "the TT festival is the best party of the year." That is a particularly gruesome and tone deaf attitude by someone who annually cashes in on the TT. And others, including some here, try to portray the TT as the pinnacle of racing... with the greatest racers... blatantly false by any objective measure. That is disrespectful of the really great racers, who practice their craft on closed circuits around the world, in my opinion.

So your suggestion that we all ignore it and keep silent... that doesn't work for me. I wish that it did, it would be far easier, but it doesn't work for me.
 
It's possible a lot of the riders want to race in the TT specifically because it's labeled as the most dangerous race in the world. One example is Guy Martin. They live for that kind of thing. You could have some sort of displacement limit but I don't think it would be the same thing anymore. I don't think it's just the people promoting the race. The riders I'm sure are into the hype themselves. They accept it. I think if your not really into it like those people then it's hard to understand. Just like Barry Sheene, Mick Doohan or any of those guys, they get hurt in a crash and almost killed. As soon as they are well enough to ride they are back at the track. It's no different with the TT as it is with closed circuit racing. The threat of possibly being killed still doesn't change the riders attitude towards it. It's not just that it gets hyped up and riders want to go ride there I think. They would be there anyway. After all it's been going on for 100 years. Everyone there wants to be there, so how can you tell them not to?
 
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Daley Mathison
1991 - 2019
R.I.P.
 
Is it that time of year again already
 
DUN24 said:
Here we go again shaming dead people for their hobbies that killed them.
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Yep. I can guarantee that LewTheShoe didn't even know who Daley Mathison was before he passed. He gets off on seeing riders die at the TT. Thing is, we lost riders on lesser known road races last year and LTS never said a thing about them.

RIP
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I think all motorsports fans are sad when a racers life has been lost, at least we should be. I didn't know who Daley Mathison was but l know his family has to be heartbroken, and he died pursuing his passion. That alone commands respect.

Grief and genuine concern is not always expressed the same way and a particular expression may not suite everyones conventional idea. That does not prove bad intentions or disrespect
 
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LewTheShoe said:
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Daley Mathison
1991 - 2019
R.I.P.
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Bets that he participated in the race of his own free will and that he is a consenting adult. I always chose which tracks I competed on and which ones I didn't .... also signed waivers before getting dirt on a tire
 
My scorn is for those who organize the event and promote it's inevitable carnage to sell it for profit. And I scorn those who are attracted by the danger and celebrate the perpetual killing. Anyone who has read this thread knows my opinions and motivations. It's OK to disagree with my opinion, but it's not cool to make up sh!t and attribute it to me.
Greg said:
I think all motorsports fans are sad when a racers life has been lost, at least we should be. I didn't know who Daley Mathison was but l know his family has to be heartbroken, and he died pursuing his passion. That alone commands respect.

Grief and genuine concern is not always expressed the same way and a particular expression may not suite everyones conventional idea. That does not prove bad intentions or disrespect
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Thank you @Greg, well said. We should all be able to agree with your thoughts.

Mr Excitement said:
I can guarantee that LewTheShoe didn't even know who Daley Mathison was before he passed. He gets off on seeing riders die at the TT. Thing is, we lost riders on lesser known road races last year and LTS never said a thing about them.
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I campaign specifically against the Isle Of Man TT because it is the locomotive that drives the whole scene of racing on public streets and lanes. Without the TT, the others don't exist, IMO. Also, I don't want to bolster the case against the TT by adding in several more fatalities per year from other derivative events. The horrors of the TT need no bolstering to show that it is an event that a civilized society should no longer condone.
 
Mr Excitement said:
Yep. I can guarantee that LewTheShoe didn't even know who Daley Mathison was before he passed. He gets off on seeing riders die at the TT. Thing is, we lost riders on lesser known road races last year and LTS never said a thing about them.

RIP
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Nobody forced any of them to race, it is in their blood in most cases. Every year this nonsense rolls around in this thread. I haven't watched any of the events yet, letting them record, can't watch yer spoilers
 
BobbyFord said:
Is someone being forced to watch Isle of Man?
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I don't think so but no one should be forced.

Reminds me of how radio and culture sold out to the BeeGees in the late 70s and entire generation was exposed to the degradation. That was my forced POW type of experience that left many scars.

I can forgive the BeeGees but it ain't worth the consolation that the hate has provided to me throughout the years.
 
People regularly make more deadly choices than getting on a bike at Isle of Man.
It seems there are more worthy causes to get behind.
 
I don't have a stance on the central premise of the thread, because I don't feel well acquainted enough with the event and the surrounding culture to be qualified to have one. But the amount of scorn and vitriol directed at @LewTheShoe for his genuine opinion is unnecessary. He's a racing fan. He holds no power in the situation and isn't an outside government agency threatening to shut the race down.

I'm a big fan of sprint car racing, and it kills people with some regularity. I wrestle with my fandom when that occurs. If a particular track had death rates even approaching the ones cited here, I could be persuaded that races should not proceed there without being reconfigured. I understand this is a different type of racing that isn't easily made safer. However, I don't find the 'consenting adults' hands off approach entirely persuasive.

I would enjoy seeing positive posts about the race in a thread for the event. Not as a counter to this thread, which is inherently polarizing.
 
Greg said:
I don't think so but no one should be forced.

Reminds me of how radio and culture sold out to the BeeGees in the late 70s and entire generation was exposed to the degradation. That was my forced POW type of experience that left many scars.

I can forgive the BeeGees but it ain't worth the consolation that the hate has provided to me throughout the years.
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@Mr Excitement -- I have asked a moderator to move race reports to a separate thread. Your intention is to shout down this thread like a childish heckler. I believe that is disrespectful to the fallen riders. Thank you.
 
LewTheShoe said:
@Mr Excitement -- I have asked a moderator to move race reports to a separate thread. Your intention is to shout down this thread like a childish heckler. I believe that is disrespectful to the fallen riders. Thank you.
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This is a joke right?
 
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