The knee jerk reactions have already begun

Matthew2470 said:
If there are any storms in the area at MIS in a couple of weeks I will be paying extra close attention to the radar via my Weatherbug app. As a matter of fact, I think I'll send Tweets and emails to the good people at MIS to inquire about their storm preparedness policies.
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I sure hope they rely on something better than the Weatherbug app. ;)


Somehow I think that there's already been discussion about this matter already. That goes for all tracks.
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
I sure hope they rely on something better than the Weatherbug app. ;)


Somehow I think that there's already been discussion about this matter already. That goes for all tracks.
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I'm glad to hear that nascar and the tracks are looking at making changes to how they handle dangerous storm warnings. If nascar and the track take these warnings seriously, fans will surely follow their lead.
 
"I don't want this to come across harsh or anything because I have a huge amount of sympathy for what happened," he said. "But at the end of the day, every person is responsible for themselves. Now if anyone with the technology at the track or NASCAR can advise someone and give them information, it's your moral obligation to do that.

"But I think at the end of the day, it's a good wake-up call for all of us — whether we're at a racetrack or walking out of the shopping center to our cars — that they issue storm warnings for a reason. I've taken that stuff pretty lightly, even growing up in Missouri with all the severe weather we don't really think it's going to happen to us. But at the end of the day, it's each person's individual responsibility."

Carl Edwards.


From here.
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
"I don't want this to come across harsh or anything because I have a huge amount of sympathy for what happened," he said. "But at the end of the day, every person is responsible for themselves. Now if anyone with the technology at the track or NASCAR can advise someone and give them information, it's your moral obligation to do that.

"But I think at the end of the day, it's a good wake-up call for all of us — whether we're at a racetrack or walking out of the shopping center to our cars — that they issue storm warnings for a reason. I've taken that stuff pretty lightly, even growing up in Missouri with all the severe weather we don't really think it's going to happen to us. But at the end of the day, it's each person's individual responsibility."

Carl Edwards.


From here.
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Taking responsibility for ones self, what a novel idea. ;)
 
I hate to see something like this happen, everyone effected by it have my deepest sympathy.

Any outdoor event or activety comes with a certain amount of inherent danger from the elements weather its Sunburn, Rain or in this case Lightening. It's up to each individual to assess the risk versus reward and make their own dicisions on the appropriate actions to take. I can think of many times in the past NASCAR and other promoters have made decisions based on the safety and or happiness of their fans they do a great job and should be comended on their response to this tragedy.
From my understanding emergency personel where immediatly on the scene and fans where transported as needed to the correct facilities.

Yes if in any way the promoter of the event can help the individuals in making good decisions they should but to say that it is the promotors responsibility if someone is hurt by an Act of Nature is completely wrong.

Basicly I'm saying Grow up take Responsibilty and Look out for yourself and Loved ones.
 
If a driver had been struck and killed on pit road, you can bet Carl wouldn't be towing the NASCAR line.

I guess it will take lightening hitting full grandstands and killing dozens for people to see that NASCAR, and their drivers, shouldn't be more concerned with finishing a race than stopping the SHOW and getting people to shelter. This terrible incident was a warning to NASCAR. I hope they heed it.
 
FenderBumper said:
If a driver had been struck and killed on pit road, you can bet Carl wouldn't be towing the NASCAR line.
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I guess I read his remarks a little differently than you. I thought he kinda called NASCAR out.....

"Now if anyone with the technology at the track or NASCAR can advise someone and give them information, it's your moral obligation to do that."
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
I guess I read his remarks a little differently than you. I thought he kinda called NASCAR out.....

"Now if anyone with the technology at the track or NASCAR can advise someone and give them information, it's your moral obligation to do that."
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Carl, from your link: "I know there's a lot of discussion about what NASCAR should have done or the track should have done, but at the end of the day, it's Mother Nature, and it's very difficult for anyone to take responsibility and say, 'We should have done this or done that.'

I myself am seperating the guy who decided to be out by his car and got struck, and looking more at what could have happened. SURELY, everyone here knows how bad it would have been if a lightening bolt had hit those stands. HOPEFULLY, people would be saying "nascar TWEETED the warning? They didn't put it on the board or announce over the PA? They didn't say it's too dangerous to continue the race? They didn't execute a safety plan to leave enough time to move people to a safer location than those metal stands? Why didn't NASCAR and the track take these warnings more seriously?"

I can only hope and pray that never happens. I also hope people aren't so callous that they start posting nonsense about personal responsability followed by a bunch of self righteous ahmen's. Hopefully, people who have guests at a backyard BBQ and find out about a dangerous storm warning don't simply tweet it to their friends and go inside, which is where the tweeting idiots of NASCAR were sitting.

I can only hope, but the attitude in this forum doesn't give me much reason to.
 
Again, as far as Carl's remarks, I read it differently.

I can't disagree with much of what you are saying but we are ultimately responsible for ourselves.
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
I sure hope they rely on something better than the Weatherbug app. ;)


Somehow I think that there's already been discussion about this matter already. That goes for all tracks.
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Me too. I just like that I can check the radar and see the storm cells and advisories. If I see stuff I don't like (either on the radar or in the sky) I'm not going to wait for NASCAR to tell me to take shelter.
 
Matthew2470 said:
Me too. I just like that I can check the radar and see the storm cells and advisories. If I see stuff I don't like (either on the radar or in the sky) I'm not going to wait for NASCAR to tell me to take shelter.
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That's just it. You are responsible. I know that you go to the races. What's the first thing that you do well in advance of attending the race? Check the weather. I'm going to Bristol for the fall race. I'm already checking the weather for that area. Sure, it can't be relied upon this far out but I look anyhow. What's one of the first things that you check on race day? Check the weather. You'd be a fool to head to an outdoor event and not look at the weather. They were calling for storms last Sunday. I never thought they'd get in half the race. I would have been 'all over' the weather had I been there on Sunday.
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
That's just it. You are responsible. I know that you go to the races. What's the first thing that you do well in advance of attending the race? Check the weather. I'm going to Bristol for the fall race. I'm already checking the weather for that area. Sure, it can't be relied upon this far out but I look anyhow. What's one of the first things that you check on race day? Check the weather. You'd be a fool to head to an outdoor event and not look at the weather. They were calling for storms last Sunday. I never thought they'd get in half the race. I would have been 'all over' the weather had I been there on Sunday.
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When planning to go to the Brickyard I entered the zip codes for every stop we were going to make into the direct tv weather system and checked it daily. I also enterd them into the box in the rv and checked it as often as possible. Checking the weather and being prepared has always been a big part of my plans, and the plans of everybody I know regardless of the activity.
 
Johali said:
You still pissed about my, I'm a gator not a croc aka plastic shoe comment huh. :D
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No, not at all. I own multiple pair of crocs and I'm dang proud of it.

As far as the topic of this thread goes.....

How does the track and NASCAR change the current policy towards inclement weather? What I'm getting at is at which moment should NASCAR red flag the race and send everyone for cover? Is it at the first mention of a possible storm? Do they wait until the radar says that the storm is x number of miles from the track? Do they wait until a lightning strike is viewable from the spotters tower? When does the race get stopped? And what about the fans? Where do they go? Do the tracks have to construct a stadium sized weatherproof facility next to the track? Send them to their cars? I just think there are a whole lot of questions in this. It's not enough to say that NASCAR should have stopped the race. Then what?
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
What I'm getting at is at which moment should NASCAR red flag the race and send everyone for cover?
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How about when the national weather service issues a DANGEROUS storm warning for POCONO RACEWAY?

When I read that is what NASCAR recieved at 4:12, then simply tweeted it to the fans and continued the race, I got pissed at NASCAR.
 
MOEJOE said:
Harder than it seems these days. With all the ambulance services and insurance that is.
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Don't blame the ambulances, it's the dang lawyers chasing the ambulances that are causing the big problems.
 
Just Google 'nascar storm warning' and you'll have plenty to read.

I don't see how Pocono Raceway and NASCAR can avoid a huge lawsuit on this screw up.
 
FenderBumper said:
How about when the national weather service issues a DANGEROUS storm warning for POCONO RACEWAY?

When I read that is what NASCAR recieved at 4:12, then simply tweeted it to the fans and continued the race, I got pissed at NASCAR.
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So, NASCAR is to stop the race @ 4:12 and send the fans...... to the parking lot? Under the bleachers?
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
So, NASCAR is to stop the race @ 4:12 and send the fans...... to the parking lot? Under the bleachers?
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See? Even you know that NASCAR doesn't have a plan. If the track hasn't prepared by installing proper lightening rods and a place for the fans (under the stands?), those fans need the warning and time to be in their cars 10 minutes before the lightening arrives. So what if the race gets interrupted and the storm passes to the South. IMO, it's insane to just do next to nothing after recieving such a specific warning from the national weather service.

If a storm just blows in and someone gets killed, that's a tragic act of nature. NASCAR's focus on finishing the race could have been tragic for many more people, considering lightening can strike when the storm is still more than 10 miles away.
 
So...basically supermarkets, malls, movie theaters, colleges, etc. should close down when severe weather is forecasted so nobody gets zapped in the parking lots? :confused:o_O
 
I read in one article that the lighting struck one of those tents that people put up in the parking lot behind their vehicle. This one guy said he was sitting in his car and said after the strike he looked out his windshield and he saw one of the tents destroyed and 2 people lying on the ground. I sure hope they weren't sitting out under that thing in the storm.
 
FenderBumper said:
See? Even you know that NASCAR doesn't have a plan. If the track hasn't prepared by installing proper lightening rods and a place for the fans (under the stands?), those fans need the warning and time to be in their cars 10 minutes before the lightening arrives. So what if the race gets interrupted and the storm passes to the South. IMO, it's insane to just do next to nothing after recieving such a specific warning from the national weather service.

If a storm just blows in and someone gets killed, that's a tragic act of nature. NASCAR's focus on finishing the race could have been tragic for many more people, considering lightening can strike when the storm is still more than 10 miles away.
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There's nothing that you can do to protect everyone. They are not going to all run out and sit in their car. They will be out the partying waiting for the race to resume.
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
There's nothing that you can do to protect everyone. They are not going to all run out and sit in their car. They will be out the partying waiting for the race to resume.
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Yup. And I tell you, the people that got injured (or killed)? Would not surprise me if the words "hold my beer and watch this ****" were uttered during the storm.
 
Really, the best way to sum it up is: The whole situation sucks and it's easy to look at it from hindsight, but NASCAR can't control the weather.

Ultimately, the responsibility is on you if you buy a race ticket and storms are on the way. When your weather alert comes in to your phone or on the jumbotron and it reads "SEVERE THUNDERSTORM WARNING" or "TORNADO WARNING", it's probably a good idea to leave the track and head to your car or a safe place.
 
There shouldn't be a debate on whether or not NASCAR did the right thing.
It doesn't matter WHERE you are when you become aware of severe weather. It's up to you to (hopefully) heed the warning and get your dumb ass out of the elements. NASCAR shouldn't be called upon or responsible to protect individuals from inclement weather.
 
Because of a lawsuit over a customer getting burned by hot coffee , a local coffee shop here has to put a warning lable on it's disposable coffee cups that reads ' be careful , coffee may be hot' .
 
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