The New Racing Team Alliance

dpkimmel2001 said:
No way for me or anyone else here could give you that answer. They don't have any issues with it I guess. That's their call.
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I would agree that they don't have an issue. Think about how nuts that is against the backdrop of hysteria stirred by the media and fueled by the sponsors at the time. Yet, the most affected--the teams--have forgotten already? Fascinating.
 
Any ideas on where manufacturers are on this subject?
 
Revman said:
Guess which team had to give up its jets? Might be that one Kauffman runs. This isn't about buying power with hotels, insurance, etc.--that stuff is chump change to these players. This is about the one thing more important than money to these guys--POWER. This is ugly.
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Brian is a pimp in comparison.
 
Revman said:
You are correct, but there are some things operating here that are extremely interesting....1) This Alliance was created exclusive of NASCAR, 2) The Alliance was created to get leverage of some sort against something (NASCAR)---nobody cares about hotel/travel or insurance costs--small peanuts to big players, 3) Why is Rob Kauffman leading the charge--Wasn't he part of the team that "embarrassed" NASCAR?--or---Should we now see NASCAR as separate from The Alliance--Maybe the owners never felt the way NASCAR did?, 4) All of this shows up as the new TV contract is getting ready to come into play. I do not believe that you do press releases for discussion groups.
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Nascar owners have been treated like independent contractors all along. Nascar doesnt give a crap about them, if they go broke Nascar will not break the piggie bank. In fact they will take their sponsors away if possibile.

It is a buisness. Cash trumps loyalty and that is Nascars m.o.
Brian isnt a friend, he is a taker and the Tic currently is bigger than the sum total of the dogs. This is long past due, and Brian is running it like a circus that needs some resistance from the adults.
 
Revman said:
Why is Rob Kauffman leading the charge--Wasn't he part of the team that "embarrassed" NASCAR?--or---Should we now see NASCAR as separate from The Alliance--Maybe the owners never felt the way NASCAR did?, 4) All of this shows up as the new TV contract is getting ready to come into play. I do not believe that you do press releases for discussion groups.
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Why go after Kauffman? Didnt Kyle slow down to draft with Sadler last week, and alter the natrural point race? Even if he didnt it has been done countless times before by the big teams.

Kauffman has nothing to ashamed of his selective punishment or MWRs was a hypocrital farce.
 
Get ready for a huge and nasty battle.

@MartySmithESPN: Brad Daugherty confirms what many sources told me: Owners want bigger piece of TV pie.”

Hold on to your seats folks. This could get nasty. It does explain nascar's very guarded statement on the association.
 
Revman said:
You are correct, but there are some things operating here that are extremely interesting....1) This Alliance was created exclusive of NASCAR, 2) The Alliance was created to get leverage of some sort against something (NASCAR)---nobody cares about hotel/travel or insurance costs--small peanuts to big players, 3) Why is Rob Kauffman leading the charge--Wasn't he part of the team that "embarrassed" NASCAR?--or---Should we now see NASCAR as separate from The Alliance--Maybe the owners never felt the way NASCAR did?, 4) All of this shows up as the new TV contract is getting ready to come into play. I do not believe that you do press releases for discussion groups.
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You hit the nail on the head.
 
FenderBumper said:
Get ready for a huge and nasty battle.

@MartySmithESPN: Brad Daugherty confirms what many sources told me: Owners want bigger piece of TV pie.”

Hold on to your seats folks. This could get nasty. It does explain nascar's very guarded statement on the association.
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I've been hearing for years, "you'll never see a strike in NASCAR". I think that went out the window yesterday.
 
Greg said:
Why go after Kauffman? Didnt Kyle slow down to draft with Sadler last week, and alter the natrural point race? Even if he didnt it has been done countless times before by the big teams.

Kauffman has nothing to ashamed of his selective punishment or MWRs was a hypocrital farce.
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Completely agree with you man. Point I am making is that there is a difference between the way NASCAR feels about Richmond, and what the owners feel. Interesting.
 
FenderBumper said:
Get ready for a huge and nasty battle.

@MartySmithESPN: Brad Daugherty confirms what many sources told me: Owners want bigger piece of TV pie.”

Hold on to your seats folks. This could get nasty. It does explain nascar's very guarded statement on the association.
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I thought this was just about hotels, travel, and insurance? :idunno:
 
As in politics when they say it isn't about money,,it is about money.

I want to see what brain does when nascar issues another rule change and the owners say NO. That it isn't a safety and does nothing to enhance the sport while costing owners big bucks. Think brain has the testicular fortitude to ban MWR, RCR, Penske, JGR?
 
Revman said:
Completely agree with you man. Point I am making is that there is a difference between the way NASCAR feels about Richmond, and what the owners feel. Interesting.
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I dont know how the owners feel about Richmond, the whole thing is messy. But that is only a small piece imo.
 
FenderBumper said:
Get ready for a huge and nasty battle.

@MartySmithESPN: Brad Daugherty confirms what many sources told me: Owners want bigger piece of TV pie.”

Hold on to your seats folks. This could get nasty. It does explain nascar's very guarded statement on the association.
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Revman said:
I thought this was just about hotels, travel, and insurance? :idunno:
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We'll have to see if Brad's claims are accurate. If TV revenues are part of all of this things could definitely get dicey. NASCAR asked for these team owners to get together so they shouldn't be surprised if they discuss some things that NASCAR may not like.
 
Greg said:
Good for the owners, it is about damn time
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Agreed, these teams are the one's spending the majority of the money. No other sport relies on outside sponsorship so much to keep their teams alive.

Quite honestly, NASCAR holds way too much power, I hope the RTA tips the scales a little bit.
 
I understand what Nascar does, they are the ones that run the races and all of that.

But think about this, Nascar doesn't own the tracks or the race teams. They aren't the one's that are spending massive amounts of money, yet they are the ones that receive boat loads of money from TV contracts.

I've said for a long time that Nascar needs to change the way its ran, it needs a commissioner like the other sports and the team owners should be the ones that basically "own" Nascar. They should be the ones that make the rules, set the tv contracts, and everything that goes along with it.

If I'm an owner in the RTA, I'm advocating for a breakaway from Nascar all together.

Can you imagine if all these teams took their cars to a different race track next Sunday and another TV network aired it, what do you think people will be watching? The Nascar sanctioned race, or the RTA sanctioned race?
 
Go Panthers said:
I understand what Nascar does, they are the ones that run the races and all of that.

But think about this, Nascar doesn't own the tracks or the race teams. They aren't the one's that are spending massive amounts of money, yet they are the ones that receive boat loads of money from TV contracts.

I've said for a long time that Nascar needs to change the way its ran, it needs a commissioner like the other sports and the team owners should be the ones that basically "own" Nascar. They should be the ones that make the rules, set the tv contracts, and everything that goes along with it.

If I'm an owner in the RTA, I'm advocating for a breakaway from Nascar all together.

Can you imagine if all these teams took their cars to a different race track next Sunday and another TV network aired it, what do you think people will be watching? The Nascar sanctioned race, or the RTA sanctioned race?
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Yup. This might get weird.
 
Go Panthers said:
I understand what Nascar does, they are the ones that run the races and all of that.

But think about this, Nascar doesn't own the tracks
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But in fact NASCAR under the ISC company does own a good portion of the tracks
 
jws926 said:
But in fact NASCAR under the ISC company does own a good portion of the tracks
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They're separate (much of ISC is publicly traded), but there's still some massive conflict of interest. Brian is on the BoD, Jim is the Chairman, and Lesa is the CEO.
 
ISC also has their hands in the food/drink concessions at their tracks.
 
Bobw said:
ISC also has their hands in the food/drink concessions at their tracks.
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That's the one thing I don't have a beef with, at least at Charlotte.

I love the fact you can take basically any kind of drink or food into the track.
 
If enough teams get together with their sponsors onboard, the ultimate threat is to bolt nascar and start their own series at new tracks. What if Bruton takes their side and goes with them?

I wonder how long it will take for the association to call out ISC and their crappy tracks that provide boring racing year after year, twice a year. In the end, I hope it breaks up the France family fiefdom and ISC BS.
 
Go Panthers said:
I understand what Nascar does, they are the ones that run the races and all of that.

But think about this, Nascar doesn't own the tracks or the race teams. They aren't the one's that are spending massive amounts of money, yet they are the ones that receive boat loads of money from TV contracts.

I've said for a long time that Nascar needs to change the way its ran, it needs a commissioner like the other sports and the team owners should be the ones that basically "own" Nascar. They should be the ones that make the rules, set the tv contracts, and everything that goes along with it.

If I'm an owner in the RTA, I'm advocating for a breakaway from Nascar all together.

Can you imagine if all these teams took their cars to a different race track next Sunday and another TV network aired it, what do you think people will be watching? The Nascar sanctioned race, or the RTA sanctioned race?
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CART and IRL played that game, and the answer to your question ultimately is Pocono. When series split, sponsors do not multiply, and the product is diluted to the point where it just sucks. We have seen this before. Doesn't work. I don't like this.

Kauffman gets on NASCAR Radio and talks transparency. How about a little background about the conversations that have been going on that are less transparent? You know, the **** that he didn't lie about....just failed to mention. bull****.
 
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FenderBumper said:
If enough teams get together with their sponsors onboard, the ultimate threat is to bolt nascar and start their own series at new tracks. What if Bruton takes their side and goes with them?

I wonder how long it will take for the association to call out ISC and their crappy tracks that provide boring racing year after year, twice a year. In the end, I hope it breaks up the France family fiefdom and ISC BS.
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This is my dream and such a sweet one, but I fear this is all much ado about nothing.

Very sad that it will not happen. Seriously, disappointed.
 
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Peter M. De Lorenzo: NASCAR will have to grudgingly listen to the RTA and take their recommendations seriously, because this just in, the RTA holds all of the cards. It's not like in ancient times when NASCAR could muster enough teams and drivers for the sake of "The Show" and carry on with the fans hardly noticing. The fact of the matter is that today the RTA teams are The Show, and NASCAR can't hide it or pretend otherwise.
 
Revman said:
CART and IRL played that game, and the answer to your question ultimately is Pocono. When series split, sponsors do not multiply, and the product is diluted to the point where it just sucks. We have seen this before. Doesn't work. I don't like this.

Kauffman gets on NASCAR Radio and talks transparency. How about a little background about the conversations that have been going on that are less transparent? You know, the **** that he didn't lie about....just failed to mention. bull****.
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How is Nascar and Brian any less flawed against the standards you are applying?

How is Nascar not the greedy hog. How much integrity and transpancy does Brian and Helton have, they cant even abide critical thinking.
What more does Brian need to do to convince you that he doesnt give a damn about racing, it is all aboout the supposed entitled money he can siphon off from his office.

He screws with the racing format constantly, he isnt a racer and he has no regard for the genuine product. And there are lots more grass root racers dreaming about racing a car with fenders on local tracks that will not let racing die. If this were to all go down, Brians greed and foolishness will be the catalyst, his idiocy will feed any mutiny that happens. The owners wouldnt take such a risk if they were not dealing with such a parasite.
 
I hope the fear at least makes ISC stock worthless in the near future.
 
From what I've heard from the NAS-kissers on Sirius today, they're still trying to pass it off as an expense cutting measure and nothing more. Guess we'll have to wait and see.
 
I've been coming to the board just to read updates to this thread since it started. I don't know why but things feel different already.
Nothing much has happened but it feels like something major is going on.
Maybe it'll peter out but it seems like **** is about to hit the fan.
It's skeery and exciting.
 
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