The New Racing Team Alliance

Never heard of it. :D

Say, I heard of this place called Gaza on the news today. You guys know anything?
 
i think there's been too much damage already to the fan to survive them having a split. also think the drivers nearing their final years would retire earlier. and even some others switching leagues. not keen on Kauffman either, still think Mickey in the end will get the better of him. but yes i think any split would be the straw that broke the camel's back for a whole lot of fans.
 
I doubt there'll be a split of any kind in NASCAR. I think this is the owners/teams/drivers getting together to discuss what they are willing to put up with from NASCAR (Brian France.)
It's time to rein in Brian France.
 
BobbyFord said:
I doubt there'll be a split of any kind in NASCAR. I think this is the owners/teams/drivers getting together to discuss what they are willing to put up with from NASCAR (Brian France.)
It's time to rein in Brian France.
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Something must have went down behind closed doors recently?????
 
BobbyFord said:
So far it's just the heavy-hitter teams. I wonder if more teams will join in the future.
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I don't know if you saw it but FenderBumper posted an audio link a page or two back that is pretty interesting and addresses that question somewhat - there's an interview with Brad Daugherty.
 
The RTA is Nascar's worst nightmare. There is a new sheriff in town now. I don't believe there will be a split unless Nascar doesn't knuckle under to much more revenue to the teams. If the teams get a much bigger share of the money things should continue pretty ok, with the exception that the teams will be more involved in calling the shots. Sponsorship will probably also see some changes. Bottom line, I believe Nascar has seen the last days of being the supreme dictator.
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
What do you think they are going to do?
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What Brad D said, and nascar already knows it. It doesn't make sense that it's only about pooling resources when the teams that would benefit most are still sitting on the sidelines waiting to see how it goes. nascar seemed very hesitant to endorse the RTA, so those small teams may be a little scared to be sacrificial lambs if nascar gets pissed.
 
Other than a bigger cut of the TV money, another thing I can see the RTA addressing is the cost associated with rule changes. The teams are absorbing that cost right now, but they may now say to Brian hey, if you wanna change the rules, you're gonna hafta foot the bill for it.
 
ToyYoda said:
Other than a bigger cut of the TV money, another thing I can see the RTA addressing is the cost associated with rule changes. The teams are absorbing that cost right now, but they may now say to Brian hey, if you wanna change the rules, you're gonna hafta foot the bill for it.
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Totally agree. The cost of a brand new car thats only a year and a half old. And soon to be engine changes? Im sure they are fed up.
 
Speedbowl14 said:
Never heard of it. :D

Say, I heard of this place called Gaza on the news today. You guys know anything?
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Does it have a nascar track? If they bring in the cash, nascar will come.

I can see it now..."The Jihadi 500 brought to you by Mustaf brothers slim and fashionable vest bombs with nut protectors so you can enjoy those 72 virgins".

Fan participation will include an infield bomb hunt, fuse lighting competition, and for the kids, there will be an appearance by Jamal the exploding clown. Winners of the bomb hunt and fuse lighting competition will get the honor of pressing the button to explode the 2 trackside IED's.

The fan who finds Jamals head will get to wave the green flag!
 
There won't be a split. If the alliance flat out says no to any substantial changes that will be costing them a ton of money what can brain do?
Of course this wouldn't apply to safety related changes.
 
FenderBumper said:
Does it have a nascar track? If they bring in the cash, nascar will come.

I can see it now..."The Jihadi 500 brought to you by Mustaf brothers slim and fashionable vest bombs with nut protectors so you can enjoy those 72 virgins".
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Are these the same 72 virgins that were complaining about the NASCAR race pre-empting Lord of the Rings on Sunday? ;)
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
What do you think they are going to do? As in challenge? What sort of challenge?
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At the end of the day unless they are willing to refuse to race, the RTA is bull****, and I don't think it is. This all depends on whether or not NASCAR will give more money to the RTA. Can't see that happening, but it's hard for me to imagine that the owners would walk.....but we shouldn't worry, Rob is just looking for better hotel rates, insurance, and group travel deals. Clearly, this group is certain that we are stupid as hell.
 
FenderBumper said:
Does it have a nascar track? If they bring in the cash, nascar will come.

I can see it now..."The Jihadi 500 brought to you by Mustaf brothers slim and fashionable vest bombs with nut protectors so you can enjoy those 72 virgins".

Fan participation will include an infield bomb hunt, fuse lighting competition, and for the kids, there will be an appearance by Jamal the exploding clown. Winners of the bomb hunt and fuse lighting competition will get the honor of pressing the button to explode the 2 trackside IED's.

The fan who finds Jamals head will get to wave the green flag!
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:XXROFL:
 
BenzTech99 said:
Totally agree. The cost of a brand new car thats only a year and a half old. And soon to be engine changes? Im sure they are fed up.
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I'm sure that it is difficult to be hungry. Have to call bull**** on my own guys here. How the hell can JGR be in the best shape ever (JD's words) to field a fourth team with all of these horrid travel, hotel, and insurance costs? I don't think the RTA is fed up. I think that they are pissed because they want more TV pie.
 
Bobw said:
There won't be a split. If the alliance flat out says no to any substantial changes that will be costing them a ton of money what can brain do?
Of course this wouldn't apply to safety related changes.
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If Brian has balls (which I doubt), he'd lock them out.
 
blanston said:
Lock them out? Yeah, he'd do that if he never wanted to make money again and shut down nascar. If they don't have the top oh, 6 or 7 names in the sport, they got nothing.
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I hear ya man, but if you are RTA, you aren't **** unless you refuse to drive if you don't get what you want, and if you are NASCAR, you aren't **** unless you manage the inmates. There is a point--and it's not that far away IMO, where it becomes a stare down. The only thing that makes people more stupid than money is power.
 
ToyYoda said:
Other than a bigger cut of the TV money, another thing I can see the RTA addressing is the cost associated with rule changes. The teams are absorbing that cost right now, but they may now say to Brian hey, if you wanna change the rules, you're gonna hafta foot the bill for it.
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and the removing of the haulers from souvenir row may have been the last straw????
 
ToyYoda said:
Other than a bigger cut of the TV money, another thing I can see the RTA addressing is the cost associated with rule changes. The teams are absorbing that cost right now, but they may now say to Brian hey, if you wanna change the rules, you're gonna hafta foot the bill for it.
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I wouldn't be surprised to see them go for more merchandise money either. 10%? Sheesh.
 
blanston said:
I was hoping you'd chime in with an update when you're able.
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I'm actually still gathering details myself. This thing was kept TIGHT. But in the works for a while. There was no one triggering event, nor was there a single reason why it came out when it came out. Mostly just an "enough is enough" attitude among those who put millions of their own hard earned money into a business venture that treats them like crap. It's been boiling for years.

What I do know at this point is that all the hotel cost savings bullsh*t is just the tip of an enormous iceberg...and if Brian France continues on his current course, NASCAR is gonna sail straight into it. The powers that be have just been put on notice.
 
Allenbaba said:
I'm actually still gathering details myself. This thing was kept TIGHT. But in the works for a while. There was no one triggering event, nor was there a single reason why it came out when it came out. Mostly just an "enough is enough" attitude among those who put millions of their own hard earned money into a business venture that treats them like crap. It's been boiling for years.

What I do know at this point is that all the hotel cost savings bullsh*t is just the tip of an enormous iceberg...and if Brian France continues on his current course, NASCAR is gonna sail straight into it. The powers that be have just been put on notice.
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Thanks for your insight, Allenbaba. Very interesting.
 
Clutch said:
No, he'll make an example of one small team first.
That's what bullies do.
And those trying to protect their empire.
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Correct. Great post. Causes the little guys to think twice about the Alliance--that and the price of admission that will be beyond their reach. That way, Rob can say they were invited.
 
Allenbaba said:
I wish I had time to read this whole thread, but I don't. So all I'll say for now is: welcome to the revolution, folks!
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....but, but, but Dave Moody on NASCAR Radio says this is just about hotel, airfare, and insurance costs. :sarcasm:
 
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