The Rock has been bought

Discussion in 'NASCAR chat' started by Biggreen695, Aug 30, 2018.

  1. Mopardh9

    Mopardh9 Team Owner

    You would make a hell of a lot more if you built houses or condos on the property.
     
  2. Charlie Spencer

    Charlie Spencer Short tracks and road courses rule.

    Yep. It was a great run while it lasted. The racing itself didn't play a part in the Rock going under; it was purely economics.

    As to a revival, call me when they're accepting orders for tickets. Until then, I've breathed in, breathed out, and moved on.
     
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  3. Charlie Spencer

    Charlie Spencer Short tracks and road courses rule.

    Do you think anyone who could benefit from those lessons browses this forum? If they are, you still can't fix stupid.
     
  4. Team Penske

    Team Penske Team Owner

    I come to this forum for the purpose of reading posters (not all) views on different matters concerning Nascar. I haven't really enjoyed the events as much in the past as I thought drivers were not racing until the end. Now with the Stages IMO it has improved. I still would like to see more shorter tracks being used AND limit the cars to the extent that the teams need not spend as much for the cars. This would allow for less sponsor money needed and more security for small team owners.
     
  5. Spotter22

    Spotter22 Team Owner

    I'd love to hear how NASCAR is too blame.
     
  6. Charlie Spencer

    Charlie Spencer Short tracks and road courses rule.

    Yeah, I'd like to hear how NASCAR is responsible too. Looked to me like an ISC deal made possible by poor attendance (prime among reasons Penske sold the track), with the attendance problems made possible mostly by the questionable 'traditional' race dates and an isolated location.
     
  7. Team Penske

    Team Penske Team Owner

    Many people get Bruton Smith and Nascar confused. Let's give Smith credit for his own mistakes.
     
  8. FenderBumper

    FenderBumper The "good old days" ??

    There are a lot of misconceptions of why Rockingham was taken off the schedule. Reality is, the family that owned it screwed things up. When it was too run down and attendance had dropped enough, they sold it to Penske, (I think). When ISC bought out Penske tracks, they needed to add dates to those tracks, because one Cup date basically pays the bills and the second is sweet profit. When ISC sold the Rock to SMI (peas in a pod), SMI signed an agreement not to host NASCAR races at the track as long as they owned it.

    The Rock never was coming back because adding tracks means single dates, and that cuts into track profits,. Lesa ain't having that.
     
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  9. Snappy D

    Snappy D 2017 Pick Em Champion 2018 Bold Predictor

    I don’t think NASCAR ever owned this track.
     
  10. FenderBumper

    FenderBumper The "good old days" ??

    ISC did, which is a branch of the old NASCAR empire. Brian runs (or ran) NASCAR while Lesa runs ISC.
     
  11. Charlie Spencer

    Charlie Spencer Short tracks and road courses rule.

    Yes, Penske. I remember hoping that would be a good thing, that Penske wasn't a chicken outfit and that they'd upgrade the facilities. They put up that monster grandstand on the back and not long after, for whatever reasons, the boom ... busted.
     
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  12. Mopardh9

    Mopardh9 Team Owner

    NASCAR could of saved it, they chose to let it die, an unique track will get torn down soon just like NW....same scenario.
     
  13. Bobw

    Bobw Team Owner

    Yup, the property will generate more $ as a mall for the developer / mall owner and more tax $ for the local city/town. Riverside park was a great track, it's the property 6 Flags in Mass is on. I anticipate when the matriarch of the clan running Seekonk goes the track will go soon after.
    I hope Waterford's problems are all behind them as that's a great track.
     
  14. Mopardh9

    Mopardh9 Team Owner

    I heard Waterford is getting their NASCAR sanction back for next season, agreed that is a good track.
     
  15. DRS3

    DRS3 Team Owner

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  16. Charlie Spencer

    Charlie Spencer Short tracks and road courses rule.

    NASCAR didn't own it, so I'm not sure how it could have saved it. Moving the race dates wasn't its choice to make; it can't force track owners to apply for race dates.
     
  17. FenderBumper

    FenderBumper The "good old days" ??

    Seems like ISC wouldn't give Roger many race dates at his tracks. Once ISC bought those tracks, they started getting more Cup races.
     
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  18. Charlie Spencer

    Charlie Spencer Short tracks and road courses rule.

    Ditto, November '95. Three cars (Kenny Wallace, Todd Bodine, and Johnny Benson?) came off turn 4 for the last time, banging on each other, and I was hooked. :)
     
  19. Charlie Spencer

    Charlie Spencer Short tracks and road courses rule.

    I recall Penske only having three tracks (Cali, Michigan, Rock), and at the time they all had two dates. I could be incorrect again; I'm used to it.
     
  20. FenderBumper

    FenderBumper The "good old days" ??

    No, you're right. It was just the Rock that had a single date when Penske owned it.
     
  21. Charlie Spencer

    Charlie Spencer Short tracks and road courses rule.

    The Rock had two dates throughout its history (including Penske's ownership) except the final year (2004). Racing Reference backs me up on that one.

    https://www.racing-reference.info/tracks/Rockingham_Speedway
     
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  22. FenderBumper

    FenderBumper The "good old days" ??

    Geez, I can't get anything right today. * turns computer off *

    ;)
     
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  23. Charlie Spencer

    Charlie Spencer Short tracks and road courses rule.

    Here, have a beer. :cheers: All better now?
     
  24. AuzGrams

    AuzGrams Team Owner

    Yeah NASCAR has gave Rockingham quite a few chances.
     
  25. FenderBumper

    FenderBumper The "good old days" ??

    Drinking at 10 AM would make things a lot worse.
     
  26. SpeedPagan

    SpeedPagan The iRacing Guru

    I always thought The Rock's problem was that it was out in the middle of nowhere and the logistics of hosting a NASCAR weekend in the nearest town (a small town at that) would've been a nightmare.
     
  27. FenderBumper

    FenderBumper The "good old days" ??

    ISC and NASCAR are owned and run by the France family. ISC bought the track in '99, and they moved the dates to other ISC tracks.

    (Gee, I hope I'm right this time. :) )
     
  28. FenderBumper

    FenderBumper The "good old days" ??

    That seems to be the prevailing opinion as to why attendance dropped, but the track was in the same spot while it was selling more tickets in previous years.

    This is the era where nascar tracks were adding seats. Perhaps they felt the Rock would never draw as big a crowd as a 1.5 in a better location.
     
  29. MRM

    MRM Team Owner

    You are correct. I've seen a number of local tracks be for sale and the ones that get demolished are the ones where new owners don't say much or say anything at all.
     
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  30. Charlie Spencer

    Charlie Spencer Short tracks and road courses rule.

    You're correct, but that doesn't mean the organizations are one and the same. ISC certainly could have taken more actions to save Rockingham (assuming it was interested in doing so), but ISC and NASCAR aren't interchangeable terms.
     
  31. Tight in Loose off

    Tight in Loose off Team Owner

    We used to call the rock D.U.I international! That’s why the fans stopped going! I say good riddance


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  32. FenderBumper

    FenderBumper The "good old days" ??

    :) * stops reading *
    ;)
     
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  33. Formerjackman

    Formerjackman Team Owner

    The France family have played that separate/together act forever depending which answer suits their desires at any given time. The company I work for does the exact same thing with their various subsidiaries and frankly, it's all a bunch of BS for the people gullible enough to swallow it. If you can tell me the last time "NASCAR" wanted something and "ISC" said no, then I'll change my tune. The only difference now is that since ISC is a publically traded company, they have to be a LOT more transparent in their business dealings than NASCAR has to be, which was a fatal mistake on their part in my opinion. Absolute control is always better than getting the absolute last dollar in my book.
     
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  34. Charlie Spencer

    Charlie Spencer Short tracks and road courses rule.

    Yeah, I can be a stickler for accuracy. On the other hand, it's just as easy to point the finger at ISC, where it more accurately belongs; easier, actually, since it's fewer letters to type :D
     
  35. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    and there is plenty of finger pointing around here. 20/20 hindsight is a wonderful thing.
     
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  36. Mopardh9

    Mopardh9 Team Owner

    Well most of it is truth;)
     
  37. FenderBumper

    FenderBumper The "good old days" ??

    The anti-trust dance.
     
  38. Charlie Spencer

    Charlie Spencer Short tracks and road courses rule.

    The property has changed hands and no one here has any insight as to what's to become of it.

    Thanks.
     
  39. Formerjackman

    Formerjackman Team Owner

    I've thought for years that either the France family should own ALL of the tracks, or NONE of the tracks. It would simplify some of this dancing around the fire we get now.
     
  40. FenderBumper

    FenderBumper The "good old days" ??

    I think they run into anti-trust problems if they own all the tracks and the series under a single corporation, while forbidding owners and drivers from participating in a competing stock car series. Kez mentioned how this situation (ISC interests vs NASCAR interests) hinders nascars ability to adjust the schedule. He mentioned it once, and Lesa threw a fit and it was silence after that.
     

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