The Saga of Chris Gabehart

Revman said:
If what Gabehart is saying is true.....and it is very likely that it is......this is as much of a commentary on the people Coach surrounds himself with as anything. There is a problem when the boss doesn't have anybody who has the guts to hold him accountable. I am concerned....and if all of this is true....not at all happy.
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Sounds like Gabehart was trying to be "that guy", and got shut down. I imagine JGR's issues internally aren't too dissimilar than the ones RFK had when Jack ruled with a heavy hand.
 
I think its safe to say Ty Dillon is trending toward bust, the body of work and there is enough of a sample size of it now to suggest its trending heavily that way. Would Preacher Joe have been better off keeping Kyle Busch? Salary had alot to do with the split and "sponsorship woes" but would JGR be better off with Kyle or Ty in the 18/54, I think honestly if Kyle had stayed he would have a better performance than what he has shown at RCR lately and what Ty has shown. Kyle really should have been a lifer at JGR but the Preacher after praying heavily, takes his older drivers out back and gives them the old yeller treatment.
 
Jorge De Guzman said:
I think honestly if Kyle had stayed he would have a better performance than what he has shown at RCR lately and what Ty has shown.
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Undoubtably. JGR fields better hardware than Childress, and Kyle knows better what to do with it. Even with the post-COVID reduced practices, there no question.

But it's Joe's team to do with as he pleases.
 
Jorge De Guzman said:
I think its safe to say Ty Dillon is trending toward bust, the body of work and there is enough of a sample size of it now to suggest its trending heavily that way. Would Preacher Joe have been better off keeping Kyle Busch? Salary had alot to do with the split and "sponsorship woes" but would JGR be better off with Kyle or Ty in the 18/54, I think honestly if Kyle had stayed he would have a better performance than what he has shown at RCR lately and what Ty has shown. Kyle really should have been a lifer at JGR but the Preacher after praying heavily, takes his older drivers out back and gives them the old yeller treatment.
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What does Ty Dillon have to do with any of this? ;)
 
Hawaii808 said:
And I bet they all have different ideas on how things ought to be.
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It's the ol' have you asked so in so, and then you do it and another says who told you that you could do that....been there done that. Blatantly obvious when Ty's dad was alive. Bell bought a multi dirt car race team to race with his in laws for dirt racing. After he passes, Joe said he couldn't race it.
 
Jorge De Guzman said:
I think its safe to say Ty Dillon is trending toward bust, the body of work and there is enough of a sample size of it now to suggest its trending heavily that way. Would Preacher Joe have been better off keeping Kyle Busch? Salary had alot to do with the split and "sponsorship woes" but would JGR be better off with Kyle or Ty in the 18/54, I think honestly if Kyle had stayed he would have a better performance than what he has shown at RCR lately and what Ty has shown. Kyle really should have been a lifer at JGR but the Preacher after praying heavily, takes his older drivers out back and gives them the old yeller treatment.
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Ty. Ty Gibbs. Sorry folks.
 
Spotter22 said:
That's not "Hardware" My friend. They have the same things,You said "JGR fields better hardware than Childress" Thats absolutely not true. You and the laughing hyena should know better
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Okay, I'll rephrase. JGR does a better job of fielding the hardware than Childress.

And I don't know who the 'laughing hyena' is. You're not going full Revman and assigning everyone nicknames, are you?
 
Charlie Spencer said:
Okay, I'll rephrase. JGR does a better job of fielding the hardware than Childress.

And I don't know who the 'laughing hyena' is. You're not going full Revman and assigning everyone nicknames, are you?
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I kinda want to go part indian and say "he who stands up on a roof and says go high, go low".
 
Spotter22 said:
That's called "Engineers"
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Okay, for whatever reason, in my own personal opinion, JGR has Cup cars better suited to Kyle Busch's preferences than RCR has for him to drive. Further, in my personal opinion, I suspect most Cup drivers would find a JGR car preferable for Cup racing than an RCR car.

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Charlie Spencer said:
Okay, for whatever reason, in my own personal opinion, JGR has Cup cars better suited to Kyle Busch's preferences than RCR has for him to drive. Further, in my personal opinion, I suspect most Cup drivers would find a JGR car preferable for Cup racing than an RCR car.

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My only comment was to you using Hardware which every team has the same thing.Yes JGR outspends RCR with the human element because they have the means to do so
 
Charlie Spencer said:
Funny, the grills, hoods, and C-pillars look different to me between the three brands. Must just be my misperception, or maybe I don't understand the word 'same'.
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I'm referring to suspension parts,anything under the body, nothing you can control parts wise, Back in the day you could build your own stuff, not anymore which is what I'm talking about in reference to" Hardware".
 
My personal opinion... all the talk about RCR cars and setups are junk relative to Gibbs, and that's why Kyle Busch resembles Mr. Irrelevant for the last 3+ years, is lazy analysis that way, way understates the driver's role in the speed and performance of the team. Kyle Busch would love for that excuse to be valid, but it just isn't, IMO.
 
LewTheShoe said:
My personal opinion... all the talk about RCR cars and setups are junk relative to Gibbs, and that's why Kyle Busch resembles Mr. Irrelevant for the last 3+ years, is lazy analysis that way, way understates the driver's role in the speed and performance of the team. Kyle Busch would love for that excuse to be valid, but it just isn't, IMO.
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I don't think it's the only reason, but @Jorge De Guzman wondered if Kyle would perform better if he was still at JGR. I doubt he would run as well as he did ten years ago but I think he'd be several spots better than he is at Childress, and better than his 'replacement' Ty Gibbs .
 
LewTheShoe said:
My personal opinion... all the talk about RCR cars and setups are junk relative to Gibbs, and that's why Kyle Busch resembles Mr. Irrelevant for the last 3+ years, is lazy analysis that way, way understates the driver's role in the speed and performance of the team. Kyle Busch would love for that excuse to be valid, but it just isn't, IMO.
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But he can get into a Hendrick sponsored Spire truck and win at Atlanta.
 
StandOnIt said:
But he can get into a Hendrick sponsored Spire truck and win at Atlanta.
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Kyle Busch's PR team - incidentally, one of the best in Nascar - likes to promote truck series wins as if they add genuine luster to KDB's resume. And some Busch fanboys follow suit because they've got nothing else to crow about.

Here's what I say about that... All wins mean something, but not all wins mean the same thing. Cup races are notoriously hard to win, with a deep field of highly talented and fully resourced teams, designed for extreme parity, not to mention "Oops Factors" like late restarts, 8-second pit stops, G-W-C's, etc etc. Winning a cup races is, by definition, a victory over the very best stock car racers on the planet. Truck races, in contrast, are like high school football, and you know that is the truth.
 
LewTheShoe said:
Kyle Busch's PR team - incidentally, one of the best in Nascar - likes to promote truck series wins as if they add genuine luster to KDB's resume. And some Busch fanboys follow suit because they've got nothing else to crow about.

Here's what I say about that... All wins mean something, but not all wins mean the same thing. Cup races are notoriously hard to win, with a deep field of highly talented and fully resourced teams, designed for extreme parity, not to mention "Oops Factors" like late restarts, 8-second pit stops, G-W-C's, etc etc. Winning a cup races is, by definition, a victory over the very best stock car racers on the planet. Truck races, in contrast, are like high school football, and you know that is the truth.
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That might work for you. But once again it proves that a well prepared car makes a difference. That was my point. And if you think you can compare a RCR car against a Gibbs rice burner and say that they are even close to equal, knock yourself out. Somebody might believe ya, but it won't be me.
 
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