The Sky Is Falling

StandOnIt said:
A start? bud I hate to tell ya this, that might make a good science project, but thinking these people somehow are ignorant of the future? Is your house producing renewable energy for the rest of the neighborhood? Like a thousand homes?

http://www.edf-re.com/project/pocono-raceway-solar/
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:laugh: Dude, apparently you aren't too experienced with solar and wind power at the local level. Many electrical companies purchase unused electric power from the customers that have solar panels. Why, because federal law requires it. So, yes, homes with solar panels do power other homes.

I don't think NASCAR is ignorant. I think it reacts too slow to change and when it does it doesn't do it very well. Attendance and TV ratings seem to back this up.

Can you share with me any solutions to short term and/or long term hurdles NASCAR faces or you believe that it will face that you have provided on the forum or provide an explanation on how to search for those nuggets of gold you have left in your past post?
 
Towmater said:
:laugh: Dude, apparently you aren't too experienced with solar and wind power at the local level. Many electrical companies purchase unused electric power from the customers that have solar panels. Why, because federal law requires it. So, yes, homes with solar panels do power other homes.

I don't think NASCAR is ignorant. I think it reacts too slow to change and when it does it doesn't do it very well. Attendance and TV ratings seem to back this up.
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first major United States sports venue to utilize 100% renewable energy.;) yeah they are too slow to change. :rolleyes: Have you seen the plans of the Charlotte remodel?
 
Towmater said:
I thought I was taking care of myself by responding to you in the same manner in which you posted.

Solutions
1) An open dialog with the manufacturers should have already started. If not, then NASCAR need to be looking at what changes to their products might occur and when they project them to happen. Look at it from a 1, 3, 5, 10, 15, 20 year approach to their business.

2) Listen to the manufacturers, but also seek advise from those that govern the States you race within. NASCAR needs to listen to (I didn't say do) what CA lawmakers on both sides of the isle might project vehicle, emissions, and regulatory laws that they project to see the light of day over the next 10 years (I bet the auto industry already does this). I pick CA as they seem to be the canary in the coal mine for environmental laws. If you don't believe that ask a trucker about the regulations that have occurred within their industry due to what CA implements. If nothing else, it will give NASCAR a heads-up on what to expect for the races they do there.

3) Take the information from number 2 and apply it to the National level.

4) Look towards European racing and start a conversation to see what changes they have had to adapt to and expect to adapt to in the future. Europe is a canary too.

5) Take the information from all of them and start a long term initiative to start shaping the message you want your fans to head in and start educating them about the changes NASCAR believes is going to happen. That way you develop fans that feel informed, and are a part of the team to the changes you are making. In other words, fans that stay with you because they feel included and a part of something. As this sport has seen, change upsets people and they leave. Too much of it, and it happening too fast upsets the apple cart. Example, all the rules changes in the point system over the last several years. That's hornets nest.

6) Take the information along with your long term and short term goals/plans and develop marketing, safety, and development plans for those same periods. No, they aren't set in stone and yes, they need to be flexible enough to change with anything that gets push into NASCAR's path that is unexpected.

That's a start...
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Quite a laundry list. I would add something about dealing with 9 hour long pit stops ... but that's just me.

Perhaps some hybrid technology could be made to work. All electric stock car racing at Martinsville and Bristol? Highly unlikely. Just my opinion, of course.
 
StandOnIt said:
This must be photo shopped, there can't be that many 18 to 49 ers at the track.


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Where's the walkers? Which I hear, by the way, Walmart has teamed up Drive Medical to sell the official Walker of NASCAR. They are running a special this week on the Drive Medical Four Wheel Walker Rollator with Fold Up Removable Back Support, in Racing Red. Only $56.36! Get them while supplies last!

Heck, there's even a built in storage center for you scanner headset and small soft sided Yeti cooler.

Disclaimer..... YETI, not to be confused with the Bigfoot that seniors have been fearful of since the release of the Patterson–Gimlin film.


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aunty dive said:
Quite a laundry list. I would add something about dealing with 9 hour long pit stops ... but that's just me.

Perhaps some hybrid technology could be made to work. All electric stock car racing at Martinsville and Bristol? Highly unlikely. Just my opinion, of course.
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I'm thinking lightning whisperer, might be able to speed things up.
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
Where's the walkers? Which I hear, by the way, Walmart has teamed up Drive Medical to sell the official Walker of NASCAR. They are running a special this week on the Drive Medical Four Wheel Walker Rollator with Fold Up Removable Back Support, in Racing Red. Only $56.36! Get them while supplies last!

Heck, there's even a built in storage center for you scanner headset and small soft sided Yeti cooler.

Disclaimer..... YETI, not to be confused with the Bigfoot that seniors have been fearful of since the release of the Patterson–Gimlin film.


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:XXROFL::XXROFL: I see that they have the optional team number plate attachment available also. Nice
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
Where's the walkers? Which I hear, by the way, Walmart has teamed up Drive Medical to sell the official Walker of NASCAR. They are running a special this week on the Drive Medical Four Wheel Walker Rollator with Fold Up Removable Back Support, in Racing Red. Only $56.36! Get them while supplies last!

Heck, there's even a built in storage center for you scanner headset and small soft sided Yeti cooler.

Disclaimer..... YETI, not to be confused with the Bigfoot that seniors have been fearful of since the release of the Patterson–Gimlin film.


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Yeah that big foot thing is the reason for declining attendance and ratings I hear, so many fans were lost when that thing got a hold of em.
 
All you gotta mention is the sky and NASCAR and everybody loses their mind. Lol
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
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You don't want that model. The basket may be great at the track, but it isn't as much good in the real world. When you fold it to put it in the trunk, you have to empty the basket first. Get the model Walgreen's sells. It has a Velcro bag instead of the basket, so you can fold it up without all your crap falling out. Also, remember that when the user is seated, they're facing away from the basket, so the basket is easier for pickpockets to access than the closed bag.
 
Charlie Spencer said:
You don't want that model. The basket may be great at the track, but it isn't as much good in the real world. When you fold it to put it in the trunk, you have to empty the basket first. Get the model Walgreen's sells. It has a Velcro bag instead of the basket, so you can fold it up without all your crap falling out. Also, remember that when the user is seated, they're facing away from the basket, so the basket is easier for pickpockets to access than the closed bag.
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You see, that's what makes this place great. Us old folk can help each other out. Thanks for the tip. Velcro, huh? Had to look that up. I'm from the 'snap' era. That new fangled Velcro is the bee's knees from what I understand. That's what my nurse tells me.
 
Charlie Spencer said:
You don't want that model. The basket may be great at the track, but it isn't as much good in the real world. When you fold it to put it in the trunk, you have to empty the basket first. Get the model Walgreen's sells. It has a Velcro bag instead of the basket, so you can fold it up without all your crap falling out. Also, remember that when the user is seated, they're facing away from the basket, so the basket is easier for pickpockets to access than the closed bag.
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I want a dam motor on mine. and a gearshift..Tony had a good one
 
aunty dive said:
Quite a laundry list. I would add something about dealing with 9 hour long pit stops ... but that's just me.

Perhaps some hybrid technology could be made to work. All electric stock car racing at Martinsville and Bristol? Highly unlikely. Just my opinion, of course.
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You asked for it and I provided it. Please accept my apologizes for a well thought out response that I'm sure taxed you.

Then the snappy come back is something about a 9 hours pit stop because someone stated it took that long to recharge a battery previously in the thread. Man, what a burn. :sarcasm:

Umm, I guess you do like to live up to the "worst poster on the forum thing" as the idea light bulb never went off in your head to suggest that 1) I've never chatted about electric racing and 2) if NASCAR did move in that direction then they might allow teams to swap out batteries on a pit stop. Kind of like tires. That would mean another corporate sponsor. NASCAR would have to replace those dollars from Sunoco. Gotta do that by getting that new battery sponsor on board. This ain't rocket science but from the ideas you and StandOnIt express in your attempts at repartee it is evident that it is to you.
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
You see, that's what makes this place great. Us old folk can help each other out. Thanks for the tip. Velcro, huh? Had to look that up. I'm from the 'snap' era. That new fangled Velcro is the bee's knees from what I understand. That's what my nurse tells me.
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My father with the artificial hips initially bought a cheapie $25 model while he looked for something better. That got him around while he test drove three or four models to find one he really liked.
 
Towmater said:
You asked for it and I provided it. Please accept my apologizes for a well thought out response that I'm sure taxed you.

Then the snappy come back is something about a 9 hours pit stop because someone stated it took that long to recharge a battery previously in the thread. Man, what a burn. :sarcasm:

Umm, I guess you do like up to the "worst poster on the forum thing" as the idea light bulb never went off in your head to suggest that 1) I've never chatted about electric racing and 2) if NASCAR did move in that direction then they might allow teams to swap out batteries on a pit stop. Kind of like tires. That would mean another corporate sponsor. NASCAR would have to replace those dollars from Sunoco. Gotta do that by getting that new battery sponsor on board. This ain't rocket science but from the ideas you and StandOnIt express in your attempts at repartee it must be.
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Formula E hasn't figured out how to swap batteries yet. I don't expect NASCAR to be the ground breaker in this form of motorsports.

Besides, just because a bunch of European countries have set deadlines on ICEs doesn't mean the US is going to follow suit anytime soon.
 
Towmater said:
You asked for it and I provided it. Please accept my apologizes for a well thought out response that I'm sure taxed you.

Then the snappy come back is something about a 9 hours pit stop because someone stated it took that long to recharge a battery previously in the thread. Man, what a burn. :sarcasm:

Umm, I guess you do like to live up to the "worst poster on the forum thing" as the idea light bulb never went off in your head to suggest that 1) I've never chatted about electric racing and 2) if NASCAR did move in that direction then they might allow teams to swap out batteries on a pit stop. Kind of like tires. That would mean another corporate sponsor. NASCAR would have to replace those dollars from Sunoco. Gotta do that by getting that new battery sponsor on board. This ain't rocket science but from the ideas you and StandOnIt express in your attempts at repartee it is evident that it is to you.
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Sometimes people are afraid of what they don't understand and/or can't think outside of the box. IDK if that is the case here but you have turned into a pretty good whipping boy none the less.
 
Towmater said:
You asked for it and I provided it. Please accept my apologizes for a well thought out response that I'm sure taxed you.

Then the snappy come back is something about a 9 hours pit stop because someone stated it took that long to recharge a battery previously in the thread. Man, what a burn. :sarcasm:

Umm, I guess you do like to live up to the "worst poster on the forum thing" as the idea light bulb never went off in your head to suggest that 1) I've never chatted about electric racing and 2) if NASCAR did move in that direction then they might allow teams to swap out batteries on a pit stop. Kind of like tires. That would mean another corporate sponsor. NASCAR would have to replace those dollars from Sunoco. Gotta do that by getting that new battery sponsor on board. This ain't rocket science but from the ideas you and StandOnIt express in your attempts at repartee it is evident that it is to you.
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ah calm down, I live next to Missouri, it's called the show me state. So I'm a show me guy. E racing hasn't shown me anything I want to see, and just because a country half the size of Texas is rattling their sabers 13 years from now? I don't see any cause for alarm for the demise of racing as we know it. I take it one day at a time. Like Mark Twain says:
“I've had a lot of worries in my life, most of which never happened.”
 
Charlie Spencer said:
Formula E hasn't figured out how to swap batteries yet. I don't expect NASCAR to be the ground breaker in this form of motorsports.

Besides, just because a bunch of European countries have set deadlines on ICEs doesn't mean the US is going to follow suit anytime soon.
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You have completely missed the point of what I have been chatting about. I'm chatting about technology to be developed in the future. The iPhone has had huge leaps in what it does in the 10 years it has been out. I'm glad the naysayers in other areas of technology aren't stuck in the we can't do it now so let's not innovate place you guys seem to be in.

I get it. We live in "Merica". We've always raced with gas engines in NASCAR. We will always race with them. OK, the car manufacturers will move their dollars to other places. If Porsche, is moving into Formula E then there is a reason to do so. Manufacturers target what is in demand. Looking into the future they seek to develop vehicles in areas such as environmental friendliness, efficiency and sustainability. Guess what? That is the way the entire industry is moving. Even the US part of it.
 
I can tell you don't watch much racing. they race every kind of truck and car under the sun in every different environment. Porsche races in everything from off road, rally, and has numerous road racing vehicles..so an E car isn't going to change the whole world. They have been making a hybrid electric street car for years.
 
Towmater said:
You asked for it and I provided it. Please accept my apologizes for a well thought out response that I'm sure taxed you.

Then the snappy come back is something about a 9 hours pit stop because someone stated it took that long to recharge a battery previously in the thread. Man, what a burn. :sarcasm:

Umm, I guess you do like to live up to the "worst poster on the forum thing" as the idea light bulb never went off in your head to suggest that 1) I've never chatted about electric racing and 2) if NASCAR did move in that direction then they might allow teams to swap out batteries on a pit stop. Kind of like tires. That would mean another corporate sponsor. NASCAR would have to replace those dollars from Sunoco. Gotta do that by getting that new battery sponsor on board. This ain't rocket science but from the ideas you and StandOnIt express in your attempts at repartee it is evident that it is to you.
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You couldn't tax me on your best day.

There's nothing wrong with your theory. Your sense of urgency about it is what's driving the sarcastic responses.
 
Skoalbandit33 said:
Sometimes people are afraid of what they don't understand and/or can't think outside of the box. IDK if that is the case here but you have turned into a pretty good whipping boy none the less.
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People fear change. Thus, they seek to lash out at it or run away from it.
 
StandOnIt said:
I can tell you don't watch much racing. they race every kind of truck and car under the sun in every different environment. Porsche races in everything from off road, rally, and has numerous road racing vehicles..so an E car isn't going to change the whole world. They have been making a hybrid electric street car for years.
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I can tell that you are "that guy" who runs internet searches on things to make it seem like you know all, see all, and hear all. Wanna chat some more about solar and buying it back and the federal law? Wait, we could chat about our "tax dollars" at work that provided tax breaks/incentives that might have allow Pocono to put them in. I'll give you time to run your search on it. Those tax breaks via the installation of solar panels seem to have helped provide power to that track. After that, we can chat about ethanol or oil and the tax dollars that go into those industries in the form of subsidies. It isn't just Tesla, as you pointed to in one of your post, that US tax dollars work go to.
 
Towmater said:
You have completely missed the point of what I have been chatting about. I'm chatting about technology to be developed in the future. The iPhone has had huge leaps in what it does in the 10 years it has been out. I'm glad the naysayers in other areas of technology aren't stuck in the we can't do it now so let's not innovate place you guys seem to be in.

I get it. We live in "Merica". We've always raced with gas engines in NASCAR. We will always race with them. OK, I the car manufacturers will move their dollars to other places. If Porsche, is moving into Formula E then there is a reason to do so. Manufacturers target what is in demand. Looking into the future they seek to develop vehicles in areas such as environmental friendliness, efficiency and sustainability. Guess what, that the way the entire industry is moving. Even the US part of it.
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And you're not getting my point. Porsche is moving into E because they use racing for development. That's their reason to do so. Manufacturers in NASCAR don't use racing for development, so that's not a reason for them to switch. Manufacturers do target what's in demand, but unlike Porsche's home market, the demand for electric cars in the US is barely measurable, still propped up by government subsidies, and has no government-mandate deployment date staring it in the face. Demand is why US manufacturers stepped up truck and SUV production when gas prices came down a couple of years ago. US consumers don't care about gas mileage unless a foreign cartel holds an economic gun to our heads. Europeans care because their governments tax gas more heavily than we do, a reason electric looks attractive to their consumers beyond the environmental impact.

FYI, I'm a network administrator; I know all about the progress of technological change. But the stuff Chevy, Ford, and Toyota put on the track now has almost nothing in common with what they sell at the dealerships today. They're racing cars 25 years behind what they sell. Why would they feel compelled to make future NASCAR race cars resemble what's in future showrooms, regardless of technological improvements?
 
Well Nascar did switch to digital dashes and fuel injection recently, but they still continue to speed with idiot lights instead of the tack, and they continue to run out of gas sometimes.o_O Hell, Logano couldn't get enough gas last weekend, they had to penalize him to get him to quit it.
 
Charlie Spencer said:
And you're not getting my point. Porsche is moving into E because they use racing for development. That's their reason to do so. Manufacturers in NASCAR don't use racing for development, so that's not a reason for them to switch. Manufacturers do target what's in demand, but unlike Porsche's home market, the demand for electric cars in the US is barely measurable, still propped up by government subsidies, and has no government-mandate deployment date staring it in the face. Demand is why US manufacturers stepped up truck and SUV production when gas prices came down a couple of years ago. US consumers don't care about gas mileage unless a foreign cartel holds an economic gun to our heads. Europeans care because their governments tax gas more heavily than we do, a reason electric looks attractive to their consumers beyond the environmental impact.

FYI, I'm a network administrator; I know all about the progress of technological change. But the stuff Chevy, Ford, and Toyota put on the track now has almost nothing in common with what they sell at the dealerships today. They're racing cars 25 years behind what they sell. Why would they feel compelled to make future NASCAR race cars resemble what's in future showrooms, regardless of technological improvements?
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They are racing to get a return on their investment. If you believe that 1/2 million pre-orders of an electric vehicle by a company with almost no footprint of time in the car industry didn't act as a wake-up call to the US auto industry then I'm at a loss. Do the math on 500000 x $ 30,000.00 and the demographics of the people that want them and you might understand where I coming from.

Ratings tanking, sponsorship dollars in decline, tracks with no technology that younger people seek or not at the levels they expect, the hero's of the sport retiring, and track ticket sales in decline. Yep, I'd sure want to keep my funding at the current level is I was a sponsor/manufacturer. I'm sure Fox and NBC will seek to increase the dollars they bid to televise the sport when the next contract talks start too. Let's keep putting out the same product that keeps that 40 to 60 year old base happy. What could go wrong?

You guys know best. Stay the course and we will see where we end up.

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The Guy who I found out in this thread doesn't know anything about racing, marketing, business plans, or developing new consumers...LMAO
 
StandOnIt said:
Well Nascar did switch to digital dashes and fuel injection recently, but they still continue to speed with idiot lights instead of the tack, and they continue to run out of gas sometimes.o_O Hell, Logano couldn't get enough gas last weekend, they had to penalize him to get him to quit it.
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The digital dash also has the feature of looking like a tack. Now I hear they are going to turn drivers meeting into classes and you must answer 3 out of 5 questions on pertinent rules in order to race that day. Cheating on your exam is permissible.
 
Towmater said:
They are racing to get a return on their investment. If you believe that 1/2 million pre-orders of an electric vehicle by a company with almost no footprint of time in the car industry didn't act as a wake-up call to the US auto industry then I'm at a loss. Do the math on 500000 x $ 30,000.00 and the demographics of the people that want them and you might understand where I coming from.

Ratings tanking, sponsorship dollars in decline, tracks with no technology that younger people seek or not at the levels they expect, the hero's of the sport retiring, and track ticket sales in decline. Yep, I'd sure want to keep my funding at the current level is I was a sponsor/manufacturer. I'm sure Fox and NBC will seek to increase the dollars they bid to televise the sport when the next contract talks start too. Let's keep putting out the same product that keeps that 40 to 60 year old base happy. What could go wrong?

You guys know best. Stay the course and we will see where we end up.

Signed,
The Guy who I found out in this thread doesn't know anything about racing, marketing, business plans, or developing new consumers...LMAO
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Perhaps NASCAR should reach out to Elon Musk for guidance.
 
Team Penske said:
The digital dash also has the feature of looking like a tack. Now I hear they are going to turn drivers meeting into classes and you must answer 3 out of 5 questions on pertinent rules in order to race that day. Cheating on your exam is permissible.
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I don't think Denny even got the memo.
 
Towmater said:
I can tell that you are "that guy" who runs internet searches on things to make it seem like you know all, see all, and hear all. Wanna chat some more about solar and buying it back and the federal law? Wait, we could chat about our "tax dollars" at work that provided tax breaks/incentives that might have allow Pocono to put them in. I'll give you time to run your search on it. Those tax breaks via the installation of solar panels seem to have helped provide power to that track. After that, we can chat about ethanol or oil and the tax dollars that go into those industries in the form of subsidies. It isn't just Tesla, as you pointed to in one of your post, that US tax dollars work go to.
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We put man on the moon almost 50 years ago as there was a can do/will do attitude for doing what seemed impossible to many. I am always glad for people who don't give up and think outside the box instead of navel gazing.
 
Yikes...a simple change of engine to a modern 600 HP turbo v-6 or 4 cylinder would be a step in the right direction. Reduce tire width by 30%. Get rid of the splitter & side skirts. Do what ever aero mods required to get speeds at plate tracks down to 175-180. But none of it will happen. Wonder if the Dodo is interested in sponsoring a dying sport?:partytime
 
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