They got Larson

I asked my intern to provide a scientific but simple explanation in layman's terms for what happened to Larsons back window.
I think it clearly establishs what Blaney was thinking when he dinged up Larson, with the full intention of inflicting a cucumber upon him.
Her elegant simplified concise statement is posted below ....

"The pressure distribution on the window is almost independent of its side ratio at 0° wind incidence angle. Wind incidence angle and side ratio significantly affected the suction on sidewalls and leeward wall of the car. As the side ratio approaches to about 3.0, the final steady reattachment of the flow takes place on side faces at 0° wind incidence angle. On the other hand, the negative pressure coefficient becomes almost constant as the side ratio exceeds 3.0, indicating that when depth is about three times the breadth, the lower limit of the wake width, which is approximately the full width of the body, is obtained. However, side ratio has little influence on the variation of wind pressures along the vertical direction.

As the side ratio of car increases, the displacement along the X-axis decreases at 0° wind incidence angle due to the reduction of frontal area and increase in stiffness of the car along the direction of forces. As the side ratio of car increases, the displacement of car along the Z-axis increases at wind incidence angle of 90° due to increase in the frontal area and reduction in stiffness along the direction of forces. As the side ratio of car increases, the torque developed due to uneven mean pressure distribution around the car walls also increases. The eccentricity between resultant wind force and center of stiffness (and also the torque) is larger when the wind is nearly parallel to the long axis, than when it is nearly parallel to the short axis. The rapid rate of change in the mean torque around θ = 0° is thus principally due to the shift of the center of pressure of side face-B toward leading corner"
 
Yeah I was thinking about that. The problem is what works in the wind tunnel to cave in the roof is a bit different when the car is under forces at the track, so there is guess work involved. It sounded like Larson had a rehearsed answer ready, stresses on the car or some such thing he said. Rodney Childers excuse didn't work and neither did Larson's. I have a feeling Nascar showed Ganassi some really good photos of his car's back window and Like SHR, and Hendrick it was pay up time.

I think you may be giving Larson too much credit here, He readily admits that he just drives it and has never turned a wrench on a car in his life. I would imagine that he just says whatever makes sense to him. I would bet he may not even know that they are trying to cheat.
 
I asked my intern to provide a scientific but simple explanation in layman's terms for what happened to Larsons back window.
I think it clearly establishs what Blaney was thinking when he dinged up Larson, with the full intention of inflicting a cucumber upon him.
Her elegant simplified concise statement is posted below ....

"The pressure distribution on the window is almost independent of its side ratio at 0° wind incidence angle. Wind incidence angle and side ratio significantly affected the suction on sidewalls and leeward wall of the car. As the side ratio approaches to about 3.0, the final steady reattachment of the flow takes place on side faces at 0° wind incidence angle. On the other hand, the negative pressure coefficient becomes almost constant as the side ratio exceeds 3.0, indicating that when depth is about three times the breadth, the lower limit of the wake width, which is approximately the full width of the body, is obtained. However, side ratio has little influence on the variation of wind pressures along the vertical direction.

As the side ratio of car increases, the displacement along the X-axis decreases at 0° wind incidence angle due to the reduction of frontal area and increase in stiffness of the car along the direction of forces. As the side ratio of car increases, the displacement of car along the Z-axis increases at wind incidence angle of 90° due to increase in the frontal area and reduction in stiffness along the direction of forces. As the side ratio of car increases, the torque developed due to uneven mean pressure distribution around the car walls also increases. The eccentricity between resultant wind force and center of stiffness (and also the torque) is larger when the wind is nearly parallel to the long axis, than when it is nearly parallel to the short axis. The rapid rate of change in the mean torque around θ = 0° is thus principally due to the shift of the center of pressure of side face-B toward leading corner"

Ooooh I see.
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Just for giggles, I'd like to see NASCAR go back to taking the offending pieces off the car and putting them on display.
If a car doesn't fit the specs first time thru inspection, take a saw, cut off what doesn't fit and say "try again".

No joke. What would a 14 pound JGR custom oil pan get you now? L1....or is that "Higher end" L1.....Stupid. All of it. We chuckled, and moved on over the pan. Now? Death penalty. I cannot believe the level of idiocy over all of this. Let's tackle the bull**** line of saving the owners from themselves.....How about the ****** RTA handles that. You cheat, and they kick you out. Why is it up to NASCAR to wipe the asses of the owners? You are ****** millionaires or billionaires....you save yourselves from yourselves.
 
Rodney Childers excuse didn't work and neither did Larson's.

Freakin' Childers said that it didn't do anything. He only got caught once. I promise you that wasn't the only time he ran it. I don't have a problem with it, but rip the lid off of this ****, and let everybody do it.
 
^^ LMAO. @Revman comes out of the closet, declares that he is a "Run what ya brung" advocate, and gets an ovation (ironically, from a man sporting a Bowtie). Meanwhile, it is the Ford contingent that has full F1 capabilities in-house... Haas F1.

Just for the record, I believe Nascar adopting a "run what ya brung" philosophy would be a quick, non-stop way to financial suicide.

...and this isn't financial suicide? Really? NASCAR is shopping the series. This is good?
 
Larson said he was faster before he had the damage. In before the hysteria.

Come on man! Then, in your video he talks about pushing the limits. Which way is it?
 
which way is it? it is called racing.

What are you talking about? Either the window gives and advantage or it doesn't. Save Larson from Larson by ignoring this crap, and not force him to trip on his junk as he tries to explain it away...or not. This isn't racing. This is bull****. Let them ****** race.
 
What are you talking about? Either the window gives and advantage or it doesn't. Save Larson from Larson by ignoring this crap, and not force him to trip on his junk as he tries to explain it away...or not. This isn't racing. This is bull****. Let them ******* race.
Looks like they are to me.
 
Quiet as it is kept, it is the other teams who are along side of the fans who are keeping a lid on the cheating. Hamlin was screaming his head off about Larson in the Radioactive thread.

 
Quiet as it is kept, it is the other teams who are along side of the fans who are keeping a lid on the cheating. Hamlin was screaming his head off about Larson in the Radioactive thread.



That's because some are trying to play by the rules, and others aren't. NASCAR has to be perfect in their inspection processes to prevent this. They never will be. Why try? You get this, and this is the worst thing for this sport. Total bull****.
 
No joke. What would a 14 pound JGR custom oil pan get you now? L1....or is that "Higher end" L1.....Stupid. All of it. We chuckled, and moved on over the pan. Now? Death penalty. I cannot believe the level of idiocy over all of this. Let's tackle the bull**** line of saving the owners from themselves.....How about the ******* RTA handles that. You cheat, and they kick you out. Why is it up to NASCAR to wipe the asses of the owners? You are ******* millionaires or billionaires....you save yourselves from yourselves.
Sounds good until executed.
People buy tickets to see a favorite driver or team compete. They don't want to learn just a few days prior to race day that they have been suspended.
Sponsors probably are more hesitant to sign on too, if they Know that kind of potential exists.
 
That's because some are trying to play by the rules, and others aren't. NASCAR has to be perfect in their inspection processes to prevent this. They never will be. Why try? You get this, and this is the worst thing for this sport. Total bull****.
Guess i don't get your solution. With no rules they will look like this a 2 seasons.
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Don't misunderstand. That thing gives me wood...o_O:punkrocke:partytime
 
That's because some are trying to play by the rules, and others aren't. NASCAR has to be perfect in their inspection processes to prevent this. They never will be. Why try? You get this, and this is the worst thing for this sport. Total bull****.
Nah they all push the envelope as far it will go. Some are just more nervous about getting caught. If you think it ain't getting tech'd just do it.
 
I asked my intern to provide a scientific but simple explanation in layman's terms for what happened to Larsons back window.
I think it clearly establishs what Blaney was thinking when he dinged up Larson, with the full intention of inflicting a cucumber upon him.
Her elegant simplified concise statement is posted below ....

"The pressure distribution on the window is almost independent of its side ratio at 0° wind incidence angle. Wind incidence angle and side ratio significantly affected the suction on sidewalls and leeward wall of the car. As the side ratio approaches to about 3.0, the final steady reattachment of the flow takes place on side faces at 0° wind incidence angle. On the other hand, the negative pressure coefficient becomes almost constant as the side ratio exceeds 3.0, indicating that when depth is about three times the breadth, the lower limit of the wake width, which is approximately the full width of the body, is obtained. However, side ratio has little influence on the variation of wind pressures along the vertical direction.

As the side ratio of car increases, the displacement along the X-axis decreases at 0° wind incidence angle due to the reduction of frontal area and increase in stiffness of the car along the direction of forces. As the side ratio of car increases, the displacement of car along the Z-axis increases at wind incidence angle of 90° due to increase in the frontal area and reduction in stiffness along the direction of forces. As the side ratio of car increases, the torque developed due to uneven mean pressure distribution around the car walls also increases. The eccentricity between resultant wind force and center of stiffness (and also the torque) is larger when the wind is nearly parallel to the long axis, than when it is nearly parallel to the short axis. The rapid rate of change in the mean torque around θ = 0° is thus principally due to the shift of the center of pressure of side face-B toward leading corner"


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They either need to go with Revman's suggestion of just leaving **** alone or start DISQUALIFYING people for infractions like this.
 
i LOVED that car. Smoked their asses from day one. Just dominant. Then they were gone.
Unfortunately for IMSA there was usually one dominate factory team among a field of independents. The Gurney Toyota took over when the Nissan left. (There was a period where a half dozen manufacturers were involved).
 
Sounds good until executed.
People buy tickets to see a favorite driver or team compete. They don't want to learn just a few days prior to race day that they have been suspended.
Sponsors probably are more hesitant to sign on too, if they Know that kind of potential exists.

Tongue and cheek here....You have a bunch of rich guys in a room who would do anything to beat each other--including a creative interpretation of rules--and they sit back, loosen their belts, and say, "NASCAR, help us." What a ****** joke. Help yourselves. These guys put other rich guys out of business daily, and they need help? Roger Penske needs to be saved from himself? Think about that.
 
They either need to go with Revman's suggestion of just leaving sh!t alone or start DISQUALIFYING people for infractions like this.

They will never disqualify. Rich dudes like to whine, but they are not happy when you take their money. So, we will be left with the "Help us" bull****...and all the while, they will be doing their best to screw each other--which I don't have a problem with until Daddy (NASCAR) gets home. Then, we get this bull****. Seriously, I am starting to find myself where others have been. I don't like it. I don't ask for much, but this is ****** stupid. I hate it.

You and I have talked WRC for example. I am looking forward to the rally this weekend. I am keeping track...betcha inspections and penalties are not part of the discussion. Three days of talk about cars, set ups, times, and strategy followed by three weeks of discussion about the winner, his team, and his car. IS THIS ASKING FOR TOO MUCH?! **** NO!!!!!!!!

BTW.....JML first in the shakedown. Could be a good weekend for my boy!!!!!
 
which way is it? it is called racing.

It’s also called cheating. If there’s an established rule or standard and a team intentionally deviates from that to try to be faster, I don’t know what else you can call that.

Either you have a standard or spec or you don’t - but if you do, you have to try your best to enforce it. Otherwise what’s the point?
 
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