They got Larson

I know this is about what happened during and after race inspections.

Thinking about pre-race inspection
the race teams have to know what the specs are before coming to the race track
are the specs different from track to track?

So all NASCAR has to say is "you fail once, you have 1 hour to bring it back, fails again, pack it up go home!
the next week it has to pass first time
 
superchuck500 said:
It seems that there is growing sentiment to make the penalties stronger - certainly the key media seem to think it it justified.

I wonder if it’s gonna be crew chief suspensions? A one race penalty for the crew chief has to be worse on a team than a two race suspension and on the car chief - I would think.

I suppose upping the point penalty could also encourage compliance, especiallly as the season progresses and just a few guys getting all of the wins.
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MONEY< MONEY< MONEY is the only language the team owners understand. Never mind sending anyone home, they are all replaceable and is not a deterrent.
first fine should be $100,000 and keep doubling it every other violation that is the same.
Now you will have their attention.
 
StandOnIt said:
In post 14, Scott Miller talked about ramping up the L1 penalty if teams didn't cut it out.

L1 penalties concern areas of minimum heights and weights, the Laser Inspection Station (LIS), gear ratios, and flagrant lug nut violations where 17 or fewer are properly secured. Penalties will be a 10-40 point deduction, suspension for 1-3 races, plus a fine up to $75,000.
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Not enough by far. Forget the suspensions and triple the fines and then double for every repeat.
 
Team Penske said:
Some people are so lazy that they just copy other peoples ideas. This is true even when they get caught cheating. Car chiefs need to be able to say "NO" when a CC tells them to cheat.
Car chiefs are not the problem and they should not be the ones paying the penalty.
Fine "Team Owners" like they did MW and it will stop real fast. About $250,000 the first time
and add $50,000 each repetitive offence. hat means HMS will have paid $550,00 for the #9 repetitive attempt to cheat.
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I’m about 93% sure the owner/team pays those fines administered to crew/car chief..
 
Teams have pulled shenanigans before where they might do a little bumping at the end of a race to disguise something they didn't want scrutinized. Larson and Mcmurray might have gotten together not long ago for something other than a race incident (I never did hear an explanation).
 
spindoc said:
I have Adobe photoshop too. It’s a really good application.
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So this one is photoshopped too. Exactly the same from different angle.

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The video shows it clearly and looks smooth to me so I don't think the stills are photo shopped. Also, doesn't make sense to me if it was caused by contact why not appeal. I am stumped as to why teams keep doing this. o_O
 
Pat said:
The video shows it clearly and looks smooth to me so I don't think the stills are photo shopped. Also, doesn't make sense to me if it was caused by contact why not appeal. I am stumped as to why teams keep doing this. o_O
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They do it because cost of fine is less than benefits. IF they are going to police every possible thing then they either need to make it hurt financially or park the car next week.
 
KTMLew01 said:
They do it because cost of fine is less than benefits. IF they are going to police every possible thing then they either need to make it hurt financially or park the car next week.
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I was thinking more about how a win would be encumbered because it would be caught. I agree the fine means nothing to them.
 
Team Penske said:
MONEY< MONEY< MONEY is the only language the team owners understand. Never mind sending anyone home, they are all replaceable and is not a deterrent.
first fine should be $100,000 and keep doubling it every other violation that is the same.
Now you will have their attention.
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Bring back flogging!!
 
Larsonfan1995 said:
As do I. The video posted in the Kansas race thread shows the window perfectly straight until after contact. Penalty probably only given to prevent scrutiny from teams and fans.
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Really?
 
The beatings will continue until morale improves. Okay, so it doesn't really apply here..... I just like that saying.

Anyhow, I'm guessing the only way to curtail the window shenanigans is to increase the response to the infraction going forward. The ride/car sitting out a race would be a huge punishment. I'm not sure that's one that a sponsor would endure. Points penalty increase, fine increase, maybe that driver having to be substituted for..... I don't know.
 
NASCAR has painted itself into a corner. Unless they back off on all of this bull****, this sport will continue to suffer. I have been pretty easy on NASCAR forever. No more. This is the single most stupid ****** era I have ever seen. Nobody is talking racing anymore. It's this bull****. Why? Because NASCAR sits on social media, and thinks that this is what the fans want. It isn't. Let the cars go. Lie about their legality. Let the people speculate. Who gives a ****? This has been going on forever. The difference now is that NASCAR decides that they should do something about it. They can't, and there has to be someone in the NASCAR regime that understands that. Has to be. My God, the whole motivation for this is this bull**** concept of parity. Millions on the OSS. Hours in inspection. Penalties. Fines. Suspensions. All in the name of parity.....AND YOU HAVE ONE GUY WINNING 5 OF 12 RACES!!!! TWO GUYS WINNING 8 OF 12. ALL OF THIS bull**** FOR .....WAIT FOR IT.....PARITY! WHERE THE **** IS THE PARITY?!!!! YOU. WILL. NEVER. GET. IT. MY GOD THIS IS KILLING ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thank you, and yes, I feel better.
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
The beatings will continue until morale improves. Okay, so it doesn't really apply here..... I just like that saying.

Anyhow, I'm guessing the only way to curtail the window shenanigans is to increase the response to the infraction going forward. The ride/car sitting out a race would be a huge punishment. I'm not sure that's one that a sponsor would endure. Points penalty increase, fine increase, maybe that driver having to be substituted for..... I don't know.
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The problem is it's subjective. I wonder how many other cars had sagging windows that din't get inspected? Bigger points penalties seem like a better deterrent. But the "whoever wins the last race" thing would have to go away. I had ZERO issue with Kenseth's championship. Nobody else seemed to want to win so he backed up to the table and slid the trophy off in his pocket. "sorrry"..."nothing to see here"...
 
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TexasRaceLady said:
Just for giggles, I'd like to see NASCAR go back to taking the offending pieces off the car and putting them on display.
If a car doesn't fit the specs first time thru inspection, take a saw, cut off what doesn't fit and say "try again".
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Love this idea. I really wouldn't have a big problem with Nascar mandating the teams run stock bodies. Go back to what they did 35 years ago. Make 90% of the body be OEM. How does sports car racing police the bodies?
 
Simple Fan said:
Still don't get any of this. I also don't think it's the teams doing it by design.
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Do you also believe in Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny? If the rear window flexing downward was a disadvantage instead of an advantage, it would have NEVER happened after the first time it was seen. Just like the rear axle moving on the truck arm mounts. That only happens because the teams WANT it to happen.
 
KTMLew01 said:
Love this idea. I really wouldn't have a big problem with Nascar mandating the teams run stock bodies. Go back to what they did 35 years ago. Make 90% of the body be OEM. How does sports car racing police the bodies?
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They take away fuel capacity so a faster car has to pit more often or add weight for the most part.
 
I'm talking about a Porsche looking like a Porsche. Put two side-by-side AFTER the race. Do they allow the body panels to move assuming no contact?
 
This makes me wonder if the teams just figured out that the windows will flex and just chance it in hopes that it returns to shape for post race inspection? I cant see a situation where a team looks at the car and says let's go do the same thing that 347 teams have been caught doing and hope we are the ones that get away with it. I think that there is a flaw in the braces or the strength of the windows and the teams figured it out and just maybe chance it. What baffles me is that NASCAR has not done anything to prevent it. Why at this point would we not implement extra bracing to stop it from happening? Its just really odd that it keeps happening. At this point they need to look at stills of every car and see if it is happening throughout the field or is it simply these guys just pushing the limits or crossing that fine line to gain that advantage.

NASCAR cant park teams or cars. It is a lose lose for everyone if they do that. You have a ton of people that show up to watch certain driver's each week and if On Wednesday they announce that the 42 car can't run the next race that I spent money on 6 months prior I would be pissed. It hurts sponsors as well. The only real way to hurt these guys is to figure out a solution to stop them from doing it and fine them heavily.
 
I think the amount of points they deduct for L1's should have been higher from the beginning. Do away with different severity levels and make it standard. With the way they award stage points and how often guys like Larson, Chase, etc. earn them, making up 20-25 points is nothing. Chase rebounded from both of his L1's in a total of 4 or 5 races I believe.
 
Revman said:
NASCAR has painted itself into a corner. Unless they back off on all of this bull****, this sport will continue to suffer. I have been pretty easy on NASCAR forever. No more. This is the single most stupid ******* era I have ever seen. Nobody is talking racing anymore. It's this bull****. Why? Because NASCAR sits on social media, and thinks that this is what the fans want. It isn't. Let the cars go. Lie about their legality. Let the people speculate. Who gives a sh!t? This has been going on forever. The difference now is that NASCAR decides that they should do something about it. They can't, and there has to be someone in the NASCAR regime that understands that. Has to be. My God, the whole motivation for this is this bull**** concept of parity. Millions on the OSS. Hours in inspection. Penalties. Fines. Suspensions. All in the name of parity.....AND YOU HAVE ONE GUY WINNING 5 OF 12 RACES!!!! TWO GUYS WINNING 8 OF 12. ALL OF THIS bull**** FOR .....WAIT FOR IT.....PARITY! WHERE THE **** IS THE PARITY?!!!! YOU. WILL. NEVER. GET. IT. MY GOD THIS IS KILLING ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thank you, and yes, I feel better.
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^^ LMAO. @Revman comes out of the closet, declares that he is a "Run what ya brung" advocate, and gets an ovation (ironically, from a man sporting a Bowtie). Meanwhile, it is the Ford contingent that has full F1 capabilities in-house... Haas F1.

Just for the record, I believe Nascar adopting a "run what ya brung" philosophy would be a quick, non-stop way to financial suicide.
 
LewTheShoe said:
^^ LMAO. @Revman comes out of the closet, declares that he is a "Run what ya brung" advocate, and gets an ovation (ironically, from a man sporting a Bowtie). Meanwhile, it is the Ford contingent that has full F1 capabilities in-house... Haas F1.

Just for the record, I believe Nascar adopting a "run what ya brung" philosophy would be a quick, non-stop way to financial suicide.
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Silenzio, per favore! :p :lol2:

Revman has a very valid point, though. Hasn't parity been a long-term goal of NASCAR's for quite a while, now?

The 2018 season has shown anything but parity. Kevin Harvick has set an all-time record for most wins in the first third of a season. Kyle Busch has also had a threepeat within the same amount of time.

The philosophy that I would like to see NASCAR go by is "Run what ya brung, get what you get." In other words, come down on these guys harder. Put them in their place. They cheat. They lose.

Will they do just that? Highly unlikely.
Still worth trying.
 
LewTheShoe said:
^^ LMAO. @Revman comes out of the closet, declares that he is a "Run what ya brung" advocate, and gets an ovation (ironically, from a man sporting a Bowtie). Meanwhile, it is the Ford contingent that has full F1 capabilities in-house... Haas F1.

Just for the record, I believe Nascar adopting a "run what ya brung" philosophy would be a quick, non-stop way to financial suicide.
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I don't remember him being this hysterical last year.
 
Larson, Harvick and Elliott just about have the disco tent paid for, add in all of the lug nut penalties and I believe it is all gravy money for the rest of the year.
 
clarkfn2284 said:
This makes me wonder if the teams just figured out that the windows will flex and just chance it in hopes that it returns to shape for post race inspection?
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I suspect the teams have been playing with all kinds of panels that flex at speed and return to spec for some time now. They probably continue trying because it has been working for awhile. There is always a time lag before NASCAR figures out what they are doing; they do take cars for further examination sometimes (such as taking them to a wind tunnel).
 
Zerkfitting said:
I suspect the teams have been playing with all kinds of panels that flex at speed and return to spec for some time now. They probably continue trying because it has been working for awhile. There is always a time lag before NASCAR figures out what they are doing; they do take cars for further examination sometimes (such as taking them to a wind tunnel).
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Yeah I was thinking about that. The problem is what works in the wind tunnel to cave in the roof is a bit different when the car is under forces at the track, so there is guess work involved. It sounded like Larson had a rehearsed answer ready, stresses on the car or some such thing he said. Rodney Childers excuse didn't work and neither did Larson's. I have a feeling Nascar showed Ganassi some really good photos of his car's back window and Like SHR, and Hendrick it was pay up time.
 
Ford 222 said:
I’m about 93% sure the owner/team pays those fines administered to crew/car chief..
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Yes they do but they are so small it is looked as small change for the big picture. I doubt Nascar really intends to stop this, they just want money in the fund.
 
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