This sums up Nascar fans perfectly

DanicaFreak said:
If NASCAR becomes small market again, I would not care a bit as long as it was still on TV. Sometimes I think NASCAR has got too frickin big
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I think getting smaller can work to NASCAR’s advantage if it plays its cards right. As long as the fans are ok with less races and series ad that could be a sticking point.
 
DanicaFreak said:
NASCAR needs a Tim Richmond, or a new SR.

Even KDB is a jerk,but is a jerk in a cookie cutter way, not interesting.
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Blaney is definitely a character and a bit of a free spirit. It will be interesting to see how he continues to develop personality wise. I hope Penske doesn't reign him in too much. Richmond was the ultimate crazy dude though. When Boris Said first started racing in NASCAR he was a riot. I wished he could have developed into a major player. Finally, I know nothing about Gragson, but at least he is all in for a kiss!

Maybe the criteria for NASCAR Next needs to be changed.
 
DIDIT said:
Blaney is definitely a character and a bit of a free spirit. It will be interesting to see how he continues to develop personality wise. I hope Penske doesn't reign him in too much. Richmond was the ultimate crazy dude though. When Boris Said first started racing in NASCAR he was a riot. I wished he could have developed into a major player. Finally, I know nothing about Gragson, but at least he is all in for a kiss!

Maybe the criteria for NASCAR Next needs to be changed.
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Its too bad the said heads didnt become a thing. Richmond was pretty darn crazy. I hope Blaney is always a free spirit. Enjoy his podcast
 
DanicaFreak said:
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Its too bad the said heads didnt become a thing. Richmond was pretty darn crazy. I hope Blaney is always a free spirit. Enjoy his podcast
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Noah Gragson who is racing for JR in the Xfinity this year, can't help himself from clowning around. Moving over to JR's bunch is a great fit. Looking forward to him next year also
 
StandOnIt said:
Noah Gragson who is racing for JR in the Xfinity this year, can't help himself from clowning around. Moving over to JR's bunch is a great fit. Looking forward to him next year also
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good to hear SOI.
 
DanicaFreak said:
good to hear SOI.
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I'm with you, back in the day the announcers used to laugh and joke around during the races. Fox comes closest to that these days, I think too many take D.W. serious with that bunch. On the other hand they have the gerbils at NBC. no joking around there. Drivers are too busy worrying about not calling out a sponsor when interviewed. Way too much commercialism IMO. Big money at the start of the boom was all good, not too sure about it now. These are interesting times in the sport.
 
Pat said:
We are not all one person. As the saying goes, You can please some of the people some of the time but you can't please all the people all the time.
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This... well said. What pleases one person might not please the fan next to me. For example, I wish the points system would go back to the Winston Cup days. If NASCAR did that there'd be many happy fans but then you would have people complaining who are accustomed to what we have now and also enjoy it.
 
What many fans don't want to admit is that they want close racing every lap, with the leader changing frequently and the lead contested all the way to the checkered flag... but they also want their favorite driver and brand to always win. Every time one team hits on something and dominates for a while, all the other fans start accusing it of cheating and NASCAR of playing favorites...

Another thing many fans don't want to admit is that although they claim that they would identify with the cars better if they looked like and contained more parts shared by their street counterparts, they also want to go back to essentially what was the package twenty or more years ago (despite those parts being long obsolete).
 
DanicaFreak said:
NASCAR needs a Tim Richmond, or a new SR.

Even KDB is a jerk,but is a jerk in a cookie cutter way, not interesting.
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I see KTB as a very interesting character, fun as hell when he speaks at races out here, the crowd loves the guy. Him and his wife both talked to the crowd out here last year, they were both fantastic.
 
gone said:
What many fans don't want to admit is that they want close racing every lap, with the leader changing frequently and the lead contested all the way to the checkered flag... but they also want their favorite driver and brand to always win. Every time one team hits on something and dominates for a while, all the other fans start accusing it of cheating and NASCAR of playing favorites...

Another thing many fans don't want to admit is that although they claim that they would identify with the cars better if they looked like and contained more parts shared by their street counterparts, they also want to go back to essentially what was the package twenty or more years ago (despite those parts being long obsolete).
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There normally is close racing every lap but it may not be in the top 10 and therefore not shown or talked about. I remember seeing fierce racing when I attended MIS between cars over a straightaway behind the leader.

With the 2019 rules around the corner I think it will give those that like pack racing a good shot at seeing more of it. It will be interesting to see if the new rules can help stabilize the attendance and ratings problem.

I can understand if some fans want the cars to resemble the actual car they are supposed to represent. However I don’t think it is make or break for most fans.
 
kyle18fan said:
I see KTB as a very interesting character, fun as hell when he speaks at races out here, the crowd loves the guy. Him and his wife both talked to the crowd out here last year, they were both fantastic.
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Good points in your previous post about us fans paying the bills.

Some people want the drivers to be real and show some personality but when Kyle does they say they don’t like it SMH. IMO if Kyle drove for a different owner or manufacturer he would not get as much grief.
 
IanMcVittie said:
Good points in your previous post about us fans paying the bills.

Some people want the drivers to be real and show some personality but when Kyle does they say they don’t like it SMH. IMO if Kyle drove for a different owner or manufacturer he would not get as much grief.
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And pay we do
 
I had no problem when Martin Truex Jr won the Cup Championship in a Toyota. I dearly wanted Suarez to win a Cup Race for JGR. With the NASCAR garage family being so open to the public, you can find good stories for any of the manufacturers or organizations.

Kyle Busch is overall good for NASCAR as one of the premiere drivers and characters. BUT, with a career of rants, outbursts, and conniptions -- he is his own worst enemy. Acting like a BIG Baby-Man is not a good look. :)
 
Ventisca said:
I had no problem when Martin Truex Jr won the Cup Championship in a Toyota. I dearly wanted Suarez to win a Cup Race for JGR. With the NASCAR garage family being so open to the public, you can find good stories for any of the manufacturers or organizations.

Kyle Busch is overall good for NASCAR as one of the premiere drivers and characters. BUT, with a career of rants, outbursts, and conniptions -- he is his own worst enemy. Acting like a BIG Baby-Man is not a good look. :)
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I know Kyle rubs some people the wrong way but the main thing is he does his job and does it well.

When the drivers were all older than me I tended to keep up with what they said and what was going on around them. These days I learn about what the drivers are like from things posted here. IDK what drivers like Blaney, Bowman, Suarez, the kid in the 24 car and several others even look like. I do like watching them race though.
 
2 Sweet said:
I've never understood this narrative that NASCAR fans are so fickle and idiotic that they don't know what they want. Show me were the fans are who are saying this stuff? Fans have differing opinions, like anything else in life, but that doesn't mean they constantly waffle or can't make up their minds.
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I think this perception of what NASCAR fans are is born from our society's inability to ingest social media. We think that trends and "majority" opinions exists because of the most vocal. Additionally, I think that when a fan throws a thought out there, he/she is immediately placed into a specific camp relative to the stated opinion. There is no such thing as a brainstorm anymore. That has become an idea that must be placed into action. I believe that these thoughts have always been this way, but there weren't ears (social media) big enough to hear them. So, at the end of the day IMO, we should speak less, and listen more. Betcha we will be okay.
 
StandOnIt said:
Noah Gragson who is racing for JR in the Xfinity this year, can't help himself from clowning around. Moving over to JR's bunch is a great fit. Looking forward to him next year also
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Leaves Toyota, and now @StandOnIt thinks Noah has found a good fit. LMAO. Just awesome.
 
First, I think that NASCAR and it's fan's need to realize it is a niche sport and go back to embracing that. Gone for now are the days of 100,000 spectators on a weekly basis. When I think of what I enjoy at a race, be it a short track, 1.5 mile, oval, road course, asphalt or dirt I think of hard intense racing with aggression and an extreme razor thin line to insanity. When I stand in the infield at my local 1/4 mile bullring and see 20-24 full sized late models coming to the green the adrenaline starts to pump and I wonder how they are all gonna make it through turn 1. I need that type of excitement. It's the same excitement when 40 Cup cars sail into turn 1 of Charlotte or through the esses at Sonoma. The same when I see 25 dirt modifieds push to the fence off of 2 with the left front off the ground throwing sliders into turn 3 and the same as watching Rico Abreu, Kyle Larson, Jac Haudenschild and others manhandle a 410 sprint on the cushion. But I am a race fan.

How do we get that? I have no real answer. I don't care if the cars look like those on the roads. I don't want to watch guys race what I see on the highway, I can see that any day. Personalities help, but that alone does not solve the problem. Better racing? Last year had some of the best racing and people still were not satisfied. At the end of the day I think it boils down to do you like the sport or not? If you are a fringe watcher without a horse in the race, it most likely wont keep your attention. If you watch it weekly, like myself, it wont matter. I can watch live or DVR and I'm still interested. I don't think you can make someone one of those types of people. It either interests you or it doesn't.

I would like to see the races shortened a bit and I am a proponent for the stages and the yellows during the stages. It's just a personal preference of mine. I get why people do not like it as well. I also really like things like heats and draw redraw ideas. I just don't know how you make it a thing at Cup level. One of the things I enjoy most about auto racing on a local level is the fact that it is a day long event. You feel like you get your monies worth. I would like to see NASCAR find a way (if possible) to run heats and then have a shortened main to help create more desperation and aggressiveness on track. In theory, it should force the personalities to come out and the drama they seek. NASCAR talks about how they want to get back to it's roots, but the roots of the sport all over the Country are guys out there running heats to get into mains and being aggressive and taking chances.
 
IanMcVittie said:
Good points in your previous post about us fans paying the bills.

Some people want the drivers to be real and show some personality but when Kyle does they say they don’t like it SMH. IMO if Kyle drove for a different owner or manufacturer he would not get as much grief.
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Maybe. Some just like to dislike, and some like the dislikers to dislike. I don't like my gear backordered. Really pisses me off. If Kyle launches, I don't have to worry about that so much. Just have to make sure that I get ahead of @kyle18fan in the souvenir hauler line. Might put a bumper to him. :D
 
clarkfn2284 said:
First, I think that NASCAR and it's fan's need to realize it is a niche sport and go back to embracing that.
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I will read the rest later, but this is all I really need. Couldn't agree more.
 
kyle18fan said:
I see KTB as a very interesting character, fun as hell when he speaks at races out here, the crowd loves the guy. Him and his wife both talked to the crowd out here last year, they were both fantastic.
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Damn it! If I have to stand in that line at the souvenir hauler because bandwagoners jump on, it's on you! Damn it! Shhhhhhhhh......
 
kyle18fan said:
I see KTB as a very interesting character, fun as hell when he speaks at races out here, the crowd loves the guy. Him and his wife both talked to the crowd out here last year, they were both fantastic.
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Dislikers really need him to be horrible because they need someone to hate. The cool thing about Kyle is that the more he becomes likable, the more they dislike, so we really have nothing to worry about. In my experiences, Kyle is extremely smart, kind, compassionate, great with kids, committed to his sponsors, and completely focused on his fans. He has always treated my kid extremely well. So much so, that my boy has no tolerance for dislikers. Samantha? An absolute treasure. Together, they are awesome.
 
Revman said:
Dislikers really need him to be horrible because they need someone to hate. The cool thing about Kyle is that the more he becomes likable, the more they dislike, so we really have nothing to worry about. In my experiences, Kyle is extremely smart, kind, compassionate, great with kids, committed to his sponsors, and completely focused on his fans. He has always treated my kid extremely well. So much so, that my boy has no tolerance for dislikers. Samantha? An absolute treasure. Together, they are awesome.
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Proud as hell to be a fan
 
Revman said:
Dislikers really need him to be horrible because they need someone to hate. The cool thing about Kyle is that the more he becomes likable, the more they dislike, so we really have nothing to worry about. In my experiences, Kyle is extremely smart, kind, compassionate, great with kids, committed to his sponsors, and completely focused on his fans. He has always treated my kid extremely well. So much so, that my boy has no tolerance for dislikers. Samantha? An absolute treasure. Together, they are awesome.
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My wife is a KB fan. I wouldn't consider her a hardcore racing fan, but she enjoys NASCAR and it's feeder levels. I have a ton of respect for KB's desire to win and his talent is extraordinary. I see a lot of Samantha and him because of my wife and they both seem like decent people. They do a lot for people in and around the sport as well as outside of it. KB entertains me. As a Larson fan he is the guy that is always in the way it seems like, lol. I love it though because the battles are always great. At the end of the day KB moves the needle for me because I enjoy that he embraces his role with NASCAR. I can't ask for anything more as a fan of the sport and as a fan of watching the best at their craft do what they do.
 
clarkfn2284 said:
My wife is a KB fan. I wouldn't consider her a hardcore racing fan, but she enjoys NASCAR and it's feeder levels. I have a ton of respect for KB's desire to win and his talent is extraordinary. I see a lot of Samantha and him because of my wife and they both seem like decent people. They do a lot for people in and around the sport as well as outside of it. KB entertains me. As a Larson fan he is the guy that is always in the way it seems like, lol. I love it though because the battles are always great. At the end of the day KB moves the needle for me because I enjoy that he embraces his role with NASCAR. I can't ask for anything more as a fan of the sport and as a fan of watching the best at their craft do what they do.
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Excellent post. Thank you.
 
Revman said:
Yeah, I didn’t think anything of it at the time, and neither did Kyle...
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KyBu has proven immature in spite of his years. His fans are loyal to a fault.

But he is a *Champion, so he’s got that going for him... :)
 
That video illustrates perfectly why I just cannot support Kyle no mater HOW talented he is. Yes, I've been around enough race car drivers to know what whiny babies they can be from time to time, but Kyle, just like his big brother comes off as petulant jerks not just in a weak moment, but on a regular basis, and it makes little difference to me that it usually only occurs in the race car. I think it says more about the person than some would like to admit. I just don't have time for people who act like that, no matter how good they are. The day Rick Hendrick cut him loose I would have done cartwheels if I wouldn't have broken every bone in my body. :D
 
Formerjackman said:
That video illustrates perfectly why I just cannot support Kyle no mater HOW talented he is. Yes, I've been around enough race car drivers to know what whiny babies they can be from time to time, but Kyle, just like his big brother comes off as petulant jerks not just in a weak moment, but on a regular basis, and it makes little difference to me that it usually only occurs in the race car. I think it says more about the person than some would like to admit. I just don't have time for people who act like that, no matter how good they are. The day Rick Hendrick cut him loose I would have done cartwheels if I wouldn't have broken every bone in my body. :D
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He wins at a terrific rate and obviously is super talented. Is he a little less then optimal on a competitive level with how he treats the members of his team? No doubt. Racing is a bit different then the other sports though. The driver is the alpha male in 99% of the cases and he has to drive whatever is put out there so I kind of get why they are whiny. There isn't really anyone to check them. A Crew Chief is essentially a shrink who has the job of managing the emotions as best as possible. Outside of that the driver is what he is. I would add that it is hard to judge the guy just off of his behavior in the car. That over the grand scheme of his life is a very small sample size. You cannot disregard the human being outside of the car. We amplify the negative and bad in people to the enth degree compared to the good that they do. If you take the way KB acts in the car as a reason to "not support" someone then you have to hold everyone to that same standard. In reality, acting that way once in a while or once in a great while is no different if that is the barometer you are using to judge someone. Especially when you state "it makes little difference to me that it usually only occurs in the race car." It's just an unfair process. Not saying you have to like the guy, but to hold someone to the standard you are setting means that you shouldn't like any of them. They all lose their cool and act like sore losers. Just like we all do at multiple times in our lives.
 
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