Thoughts on Uncle Harv

3 years of the same nonsense would get under anyone's skin. Who knows how much he has begged and pleaded behind closed doors with only minor changes if any take place.

He was granted a new crew in 2014 and I think it paid off. If he was wrecking race cars every other week he wouldn't be able to talk... But walling a car that led 2/3 of a race trying to make up 17 positions your pit crew lost doesn't take anything away from him IMO.
 
vroom123 said:
Sorry, I've rooted for Harvick for awhile but I've never heard Harvick being a 'cheerleader' for his team. I get his frustration but thought he was over the top in his comments especially considering the main issue was an equipment problem. I'm not a believer that calling out your teammates makes them do better for you and think his tantrums actually cause more problems than they solve. He could have delivered the message in a much more effective manner.

If you look at the stats, he has a pit crew that on average is in the top of the pack as far as speed on pit stops. Ultimately, SHR will make changes for him as they always do but I wouldn't necessarily believe those changes will make a difference because his competitors have bad stops at times to so it all evens out.
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I hear you and agree. But it seems like they make mistakes at the worst possible time... Like a Qb throwing a pick with two minutes to go. Equipment failures on pit road still fall under the category of pit crew and unfortunately they haven't earned a track record that would allow them the benefit of the doubt IMO.
 
They have a bad rep because he consistently whines every time there is an issue. Has for 15 years now. Tv/radio is focused on his teams issues because he cries about it constantly. Statistically they probably do as well as almost everyone except Gibbs teams.

And yeah, his whining has always helped motivate his pit crews to improve. 15 years of improvement shows that.
 
sloggie said:
Anyone else find it ironic that NASCAR fans want drivers to be themselves and show emotion and when the drivers do that they get criticized?

His crew has sucked for a while now and I'm happy that he called them out publicly for it. These guys are professionals, not 10 year old little leagers. They can handle being called out in public for being bad.
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this. harvick is not vanilla nor will he ever be
 
Ford 222 said:
They have a bad rep because he consistently whines every time there is an issue. Has for 15 years now. Tv/radio is focused on his teams issues because he cries about it constantly. Statistically they probably do as well as almost everyone except Gibbs teams.

And yeah, his whining has always helped motivate his pit crews to improve. 15 years of improvement shows that.
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They have a bad rap because over and over the leader of the race comes onto pit road in 1st and leaves 4th or 5th - people are going to wonder why. I mean come on losing 17 spots over the course of 3 stops with the #1 pit stall - idc if its an air gun, shoe-lace, or bad pre-race ham sandwich that's embarrassing.
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
If Kyle Busch's team was losing him races in the pits every week and Kyle got mad about it, people bashing Harvick would be talking about how great Kyle's passion is. And have done so.
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AndyMarquisLive said:
Kyle Busch loses one spot on pit road, cusses out his crew and fans call it passion.
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DanicaFreak said:
Kyle would have choked one of his crew I think if that was his crew.
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Is this that trolling thing I hear so much about? You know, Kyle Busch had so much to do with the 4 issues and everything. FWIW, I have absolutely no problem with arguably the fastest driver right now ripping his team to shreds one week before it really matters--helps my teams. What a great motivator. Must have been watching Tony Robbins videos or something. BTW, this is a systemic issue. Don't rag on the team. Rag on the organization that cannot give the driver what he apparently demands. This same organization was chosen by said driver. His choice. One more thing that is often missed.....pit crews are under intense pressure because one organization (who shall remain nameless because of fanboi accusations) causes the rest of the teams to routinely **** themselves because they crack 11.2's in the clutch. Oh yeah, that happened the other night. Same team that had similar issues to the 4, but the driver handled it a bit differently.
 
Wrangler1 said:
3 years of the same nonsense would get under anyone's skin. Who knows how much he has begged and pleaded behind closed doors with only minor changes if any take place.

He was granted a new crew in 2014 and I think it paid off. If he was wrecking race cars every other week he wouldn't be able to talk... But walling a car that led 2/3 of a race trying to make up 17 positions your pit crew lost doesn't take anything away from him IMO.
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He walled it trying to make up one place.
 
Revman said:
Is this that trolling thing I hear so much about? You know, Kyle Busch had so much to do with the 4 issues and everything. FWIW, I have absolutely no problem with arguably the fastest driver right now ripping his team to shreds one week before it really matters--helps my teams. What a great motivator. Must have been watching Tony Robbins videos or something. BTW, this is a systemic issue. Don't rag on the team. Rag on the organization that cannot give the driver what he apparently demands. This same organization was chosen by said driver. His choice. One more thing that is often missed.....pit crews are under intense pressure because one organization (who shall remain nameless because of fanboi accusations) causes the rest of the teams to routinely sh!t themselves because they crack 11.2's in the clutch. Oh yeah, that happened the other night. Same team that had similar issues to the 4, but the driver handled it a bit differently.
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Everyone wants to win. Passion takes many forms, some politically correct, others not.
 
aunty dive said:
Sorry but Harvick and his old man were racing out here long before he moved to North Carolina.
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OMG, say it ain't so! Does @29-4 know Kevin Harvick's daddy has connections in racing? Just another spoiled brat propped up by nepotism. (LOL)
 
LewTheShoe said:
OMG, say it ain't so! Does @29-4 know Kevin Harvick's daddy has connections in racing? Just another spoiled brat propped up by nepotism. (LOL)
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I don't think Harvick's father had the impact on his racing career that Paul Menard or Austin Dillon's did. When I talk about the silver spoon club, those are the guys I have in mind.
 
29-4 said:
I don't think Harvick's father had the impact on his racing career that Paul Menard or Austin Dillon's did. When I talk about the silver spoon club, those are the guys I have in mind.
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His old man taught him to race ... what makes the cars work ... how to look after tires and on and on and on. Furthermore, he built competitive cars for his son for use in 2 very competitive series.

I was there and saw the whole thing. I don't mean to be impolite, but you really don't know a lot about this.
 
aunty dive said:
His old man taught him to race ... what makes the cars work ... how to look after tires and on and on and on. Furthermore, he built competitive cars for his son for use in 2 very competitive series.

I was there and saw the whole thing. I don't mean to be impolite, but you really don't know a lot about this.
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Again...that's not the same as having a family who can bankroll your way to Cup. Is it helpful? Of course. But certainly a different kind of help.
 
29-4 said:
Again...that's not the same as having a family who can bankroll your way to Cup. Is it helpful? Of course. But certainly a different kind of help.
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What difference does it make?

Austin Dillon and Paul Menard are products of racing families. Would you prefer they pursued other interests so as not to offend the delicate sensibilities of Internet Forum critics?
 
aunty dive said:
What difference does it make?

Austin Dillon and Paul Menard are products of racing families. Would you prefer they pursued other interests so as not to offend the delicate sensibilities of Internet Forum critics?
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I don't propose they be banned. I would propose that NASCAR take steps to prevent the series from being dominated by drivers such as these. For example, the Drive for Diversity program is a great avenue for drivers to get into the series who may not come from traditional backgrounds. I'd propose that diversity of socioeconomic background be made a part of that program.
 
29-4 said:
I don't propose they be banned. I would propose that NASCAR take steps to prevent the series from being dominated by drivers such as these. For example, the Drive for Diversity program is a great avenue for drivers to get into the series who may not come from traditional backgrounds. I'd propose that diversity of socioeconomic background be made a part of that program.
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Quotas.

Always a good idea. :rolleyes:
 
aunty dive said:
Quotas.

Always a good idea. :rolleyes:
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This isn't government. It's a sport that has a fan base they desire to appeal to. It's no different than baseball instituting a program to appeal to inner-city youth.

While I think the Chase and loss of traditional races is a big driver of NASCAR's decline, I think the boring, antiseptic drivers who rattle off sponsors without any emotion also play a role.
 
29-4 said:
This isn't government. It's a sport that has a fan base they desire to appeal to. It's no different than baseball instituting a program to appeal to inner-city youth.

While I think the Chase and loss of traditional races is a big driver of NASCAR's decline, I think the boring, antiseptic drivers who rattle off sponsors without any emotion also play a role.
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It isn't government but you seem to think it should operate in a similar manner.

There is no professional sport currently engaged in the practice of preventing entrance to anyone for any
socio-economic reason or setting artificial limits in order to prevent domination by players "such as these", whatever the hell that means.

People spend fortunes developing their children's skills in sport, music, academics and other worthwhile fields of endeavour. Should we start limiting the participation of those fortunate young people in their respective activities in order to make room for those who have not had that advantage?

If you can't bear the hordes of boring, antiseptic racecar drivers rattling off lists of sponsors without emotion I suggest you pay more attention to Formula 1, the Indycar Series and professional Sportscar racing. There are no ride-buyers there. Or move to Cuba.
 
aunty dive said:
It isn't government but you seem to think it should operate in a similar manner.

There is no professional sport currently engaged in the practice of preventing entrance to anyone for any
socio-economic reason or setting artificial limits in order to prevent domination by players "such as these", whatever the hell that means.
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You're twisting my words, Aunty. I did not actually say there should be a quota. I said NASCAR should take steps to ensure opportunities for drivers like Larson who don't come from wealthy backgrounds (I recognize Larson actually was part of the Drive for Diversity, but set that aside.)

Also, regarding your 'move to Cuba comment.' I would hazard a guess that I am the most right-wing poster on this website. I even work for a right-wing think tank, lol. I think the market would like to see opportunities for drivers who don't come from wealthy backgrounds. It's analogous to the salary cap in the NFL. That's not socialism. It's to ensure that there is a good product on the field where teams like Green Bay can compete with teams from New York.
 
29-4 said:
You're twisting my words, Aunty. I did not actually say there should be a quota. I said NASCAR should take steps to ensure opportunities for drivers like Larson who don't come from wealthy backgrounds (I recognize Larson actually was part of the Drive for Diversity, but set that aside.)

Also, regarding your 'move to Cuba comment.' I would hazard a guess that I am the most right-wing poster on this website. I even work for a right-wing think tank, lol. I think the market would like to see opportunities for drivers who don't come from wealthy backgrounds. It's analogous to the salary cap in the NFL. That's not socialism. It's to ensure that there is a good product on the field where teams like Green Bay can compete with teams from New York.
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I don't have to twist your words. You take care of that for me.

What you actually said is: "I'd propose that diversity of socioeconomic background be made a part of that program." That program being the Drive for Diversity. In other words, some more than sufficiently talented drivers would be excluded in order to make room for people whose families were disadvantaged financially. That, sir, is socialism defined.

Some kids go to Harvard and others work two jobs to go community college. such is the way of the world.
 
Bucky Badger said:
just curious, where does the name ucle harv come from?
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I asked the same thing but so far no info. Like I said earlier I know he has been called Happy and Yap Yap but this Uncle stuff if a new one on me.
 
Wrangler1 said:
I hear you and agree. But it seems like they make mistakes at the worst possible time... Like a Qb throwing a pick with two minutes to go. Equipment failures on pit road still fall under the category of pit crew and unfortunately they haven't earned a track record that would allow them the benefit of the doubt IMO.
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What Tony Romo is to football Harv's pit crew is to Nascar.
 
aunty dive said:
I don't have to twist your words. You take care of that for me.

What you actually said is: "I'd propose that diversity of socioeconomic background be made a part of that program." That program being the Drive for Diversity. In other words, some more than sufficiently talented drivers would be excluded in order to make room for people whose families were disadvantaged financially. That, sir, is socialism defined.

Some kids go to Harvard and others work two jobs to go community college. such is the way of the world.
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With all due respect, it seems you don't know what socialism means. By your argument, the entire Drive for Diversity program is socialism because it may prevent a more deserving white male from making it into racing.

I would argue that the point of the DD program is to provide access to NASCAR to those who otherwise couldn't make it to broaden the appeal to more fans. That isn't socialism, it's smart business.
 
aunty dive said:
His old man taught him to race ... what makes the cars work ... how to look after tires and on and on and on. Furthermore, he built competitive cars for his son for use in 2 very competitive series.

I was there and saw the whole thing. I don't mean to be impolite, but you really don't know a lot about this.
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Since when have you ever meant not to be impolite!!!!
 
Skoalbandit33 said:
Since when have you ever meant not to be impolite!!!!
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It happens once in awhile.

The most recent occurrence that I can remember happened in 1976 during a disagreement I was having with another gentleman concerning the fortunes of The Taranna Maple Leaves. The guy was an idiot, but I didn't mention that.
 
aunty dive said:
It isn't government but you seem to think it should operate in a similar manner.

There is no professional sport currently engaged in the practice of preventing entrance to anyone for any
socio-economic reason or setting artificial limits in order to prevent domination by players "such as these", whatever the hell that means.

People spend fortunes developing their children's skills in sport, music, academics and other worthwhile fields of endeavour. Should we start limiting the participation of those fortunate young people in their respective activities in order to make room for those who have not had that advantage?

If you can't bear the hordes of boring, antiseptic racecar drivers rattling off lists of sponsors without emotion I suggest you pay more attention to Formula 1, the Indycar Series and professional Sportscar racing. There are no ride-buyers there. Or move to Cuba.
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The difference between sports and auto racing is that in sports you have to be proficient and you are fighting to keep your playing time and job every single day. In racing the primary mover is not about being good but being able to have access to money in order to get your start and remain employed. If Jimmie Johnson can't attract a sponsor he is moving back to El Cajon.
 
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