TRD plate power=huge

I'll wait until they show me their 500 cars improve dramatically in the draft. At the moment I would put my money on an ECR Chevy or Roush-Yates Ford.

They are already great in the draft. Look at practice speeds and the Unlimited. I would say there is more of a question mark on the RCR and RFR boys--what did they do to get the single car speeds? Hamlin sat there on the broadcast and told everybody what they would run. He's not worried. Believe me, when the JGR and MWR guys are upset at what they got, they blow at TRD. They are never bashful.
 
They are already great in the draft. Look at practice speeds and the Unlimited. I would say there is more of a question mark on the RCR and RFR boys--what did they do to get the single car speeds? Hamlin sat there on the broadcast and told everybody what they would run. He's not worried. Believe me, when the JGR and MWR guys are upset at what they got, they blow at TRD. They are never bashful.
HMS engines took three of the top four in the first Unlimited practice; the TRD engines were only 2nd, 6th, and 9th. The five drivers with the best ten-lap averages in that practice were all running either Roush-Yates, ECR, or HMS power.

http://www.jayski.com/stats/2014/pdfs/sprintunlimited2014prac1.pdf

TRD had two of the top four in second Unlimited practice but R-Y also had two of the top five. The four best ten-lap averages were run by HMS or R-Y power.

http://www.jayski.com/stats/2014/pdfs/sprintunlimited2014prac2.pdf

HMS lost five cars in the two early wrecks in the Unlimited and still managed to lead 23 out of 75 laps. R-Y also lost two of their cars and still lead 19 laps and took 2nd and 4th.

TRD had a nice Saturday night but it was also against a single-digit field.
 
HMS engines took three of the top four in the first Unlimited practice; the TRD engines were only 2nd, 6th, and 9th. The five drivers with the best ten-lap averages in that practice were all running either Roush-Yates, ECR, or HMS power.

http://www.jayski.com/stats/2014/pdfs/sprintunlimited2014prac1.pdf

TRD had two of the top four in second Unlimited practice but R-Y also had two of the top five. The four best ten-lap averages were run by HMS or R-Y power.

http://www.jayski.com/stats/2014/pdfs/sprintunlimited2014prac2.pdf

HMS lost five cars in the two early wrecks in the Unlimited and still managed to lead 23 out of 75 laps. R-Y also lost two of their cars and still lead 19 laps and took 2nd and 4th.

TRD had a nice Saturday night but it was also against a single-digit field.

Are you seriously going to talk to me about 5 and 10 lap averages on a plate track?
You forgot to mention of the two in the top four in the second Unlimited practice, who occupied P1 fastest of the day? A minor detail.
If you listen to the experts, it should have been actually harder to do what Denny did with a small field.
You are working way too hard to discredit TRD. Should probably accept that in the draft they are as competitive as anybody. They know what they are doing. You will see what I am talking about.
 
Are you seriously going to talk to me about 5 and 10 lap averages on a plate track?
Unless they decide to race for only one lap on Sunday, yes.

You forgot to mention of the two in the top four in the second Unlimited practice, who occupied P1 fastest of the day? A minor detail.
Nope, it's in there.

You are working way too hard to discredit TRD.
I did exactly what you said to.
Look at practice speeds and the Unlimited.
 
Unless they decide to race for only one lap on Sunday, yes.


Nope, it's in there.


I did exactly what you said to.

Five and ten lap averages are very important to determine speed throughout a run on non-plate tracks. On a plate track, not so much. What a driver is experimenting with in practice, how long he stays in the draft, etc. can kill that average. It's meaningless.

You didn't mention Denny P1 on Friday, fastest of the day. I suppose Jayski did, but you get what I mean.

Count up the TRD cars. See how many are fast. Enjoy the show.
 
Five and ten lap averages are very important to determine speed throughout a run on non-plate tracks. On a plate track, not so much. What a driver is experimenting with in practice, how long he stays in the draft, etc. can kill that average. It's meaningless.
Regardless of how you feel about the averages, they still had only one top five single-lap speed in the first practice, in which the entire field ran and completed more laps.

You didn't mention Denny P1 on Friday, fastest of the day. I suppose Jayski did, but you get what I mean.
I did.
TRD had two of the top four in second Unlimited practice...


Count up the TRD cars. See how many are fast. Enjoy the show.
Sounds like a plan.
 
those that are denying the TRD power, lets just say your not being objective in your opinion. I am not a big fan of ANY toyota driver so its no big deal for me. in the last practice denny and kahne were 1 and 2 on the 4th lap, I didn't watch but maybe the only reason kahne ran fast is he was behind hamlin?? I am telling you TRD in particular the gibbs cars are freaking fast. again those citing 5 or 10 lap averages throw that out the window at a plate track, your not a trained eye if you are worried about that at a plate track. if you go back and watch the shootout or whatever the heck its called these days, tell me how much luck tony stewart had moving up on the bottom?? umm like none. We have seen hendrick cars show up to the 500 and be off before, or to quote dale jr brought the wrong bullet. Larry mac always used to say at daytona you got what you got. I agree, in my eyes the hendrick and roush cars look off and down on power. TRD/gibbs cars look best in the draft, next RCR cars, those are your best cars right now.

the strange thing to me is it looks like the bump draft isn't an advantage, if thats the case its going to be more difficult for lesser cars to work their way up and stay there.
 
Hey guys... guess what... it doesn't make much of a difference how fast u are.. at all.. anywhere... for any amount of laps.... all that matters is where you are and how you catch the draft and how many cars you can pass on the last lap of the 500.
 
until there are real for real races, not exhibitions, not the Duals because there will be plenty of wheel holders that are already in the big race, it will be hard to tell who has what. Every make so for has shown speed..at times, until they line them up in a real race though, I don't think we know who has what. Plenty of sandbagging and experimental setups going on right now.
 
Hey guys... guess what... it doesn't make much of a difference how fast u are.. at all.. anywhere... for any amount of laps.... all that matters is where you are and how you catch the draft and how many cars you can pass on the last lap of the 500.


And how well you can avoid the aggressive Joey Lagono :rolleyes:
 
And how well you can avoid the aggressive Joey Lagono :rolleyes:
Hey man... it is what it is... I'm glad he's aggressive... might be a little too much sometimes.. like in practice... but he's got the right idea lol... He's learnin..... still only 23 years old... and that aggression could end up winning him the Daytona 500
 
Hey man... it is what it is... I'm glad he's aggressive... might be a little too much sometimes.. like in practice... but he's got the right idea lol... He's learnin..... still only 23 years old... and that aggression could end up winning him the Daytona 500

Sure Sliced I like aggressive drivers too, I also enjoy getting you fired up occasionally :lurk:
 
As usual Kyle Busch gets a splitter dragging turd and Hamlin and Kenseth get Rockets. It usually doesnt start this early
 
As usual Kyle Busch gets a splitter dragging turd and Hamlin and Kenseth get Rockets. It usually doesnt start this early

This won't make you happy Kyle18, but my understanding via Kyle's radio is that the left and right shocks were "flipped"....meaning that the wrong shocks were on the wrong front corners. Somebody screwed up. Fix that! Come on!
 
This won't make you happy Kyle18, but my understanding via Kyle's radio is that the left and right shocks were "flipped"....meaning that the wrong shocks were on the wrong front corners. Somebody screwed up. Fix that! Come on!

Wow !!! Not a surprise to me, you know my feelings about some of the people on his team. Just hope Kyle doesnt have to deal with this crap all year. I heard Kyle say something about a packer but I didnt know the shocks were backwards
 
Thanks man! Will be sleeping with a smile. Savor for a bit, and then focus on Sunday! I want that thing so bad.


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Wow !!! Not a surprise to me, you know my feelings about some of the people on his team. Just hope Kyle doesnt have to deal with this crap all year. I heard Kyle say something about a packer but I didnt know the shocks were backwards

He originally asked Dave if he forgot the packer, but then Dave said that the shocks were flipped. I know your feelings, and it's hard to argue. However, he wins on Sunday, it goes away.
 
He originally asked Dave if he forgot the packer, but then Dave said that the shocks were flipped. I know your feelings, and it's hard to argue. However, he wins on Sunday, it goes away.


He wins on Sunday ------------- Me happy ------------ you happy --------------------- everyone else not happy :lurk:
 
well I have to say I told you so to the TRD deniers. so a couple notes from a trained eye as I like to say, go back and watch the last lap with harvick and kenseth. here is how it breaks down because there is quite a bit going on. harvick has a run on the high side and pulls the car low off the banking, this means his car suddenly picks up speed in relation to the outside car by virtue of the shorter distance around the track combine this with the run he already has from behind. next as he pulls along side kenseth he picks up a side draft on kenseth. which speeds his car and slows kenseth. that is what was supposed to happen but it didn't quite work out, instead of going to the bottom and picking kahne up from behind which might have won it, kenseth picks up a slight side draft back and crosses first, I am not sure if harvick stays low in the tri oval if it would have been enough, but I am sure the race would have been closer. The interesting thing to me was kenseth through most of the time had no drafting help from behind!!!! its like he simply stepped on the gas. Remember as the leading car you don't want to pull TOO much of a lead, so the leader is also trying to maintain the distance they want and in many cases may be letting off themselves at certain points, of course its always matted coming off turn 4 no matter what.

my strategy for winning the 500 would be if a gibbs car is leading it with 5 to go I would not wait till the last lap to try and make a pass. I think in order to pass them you are going to need a couple laps for another line to form up to have a chance. the gibbs cars just have too much power coming off 4 for a last lap pass to work single file will not get by them it will take a well established inside line to pull off anything on the last lap. The gibbs cars to me look like they are setup to lead the race, hamlin didn't look so good in traffic, maybe he wasn't really trying that hard at that point who knows.
 
Wow !!! Not a surprise to me, you know my feelings about some of the people on his team. Just hope Kyle doesnt have to deal with this crap all year. I heard Kyle say something about a packer but I didnt know the shocks were backwards
I wouldn't worry to much...i think on Sun Kyle will be right there in the mix.;)
 
DH & MK got to the front on power. Can't deny that. In duel 1 Harvick muscled right by Kenseth but he timed the side draft wrong and got bogged down. In Duel 2 the #48 team forgot how to fill a car with gas and any would be help went into the wall. You see that power move Gordon put on Kurt to grab 2nd place? I'm 100% confident that he would do the exact same to any TRD driver on Sunday if it came down to it. Passing on a plate track is all about timing the side draft this year, not so much engine horses IMO
 
I like what I've seen so far, but I'm not gonna read too much into it. Remember, Kevin Harvick was winning all the Speedweeks stuff last year, then had a crappy Daytona 500.
 
I like what I've seen so far, but I'm not gonna read too much into it. Remember, Kevin Harvick was winning all the Speedweeks stuff last year, then had a crappy Daytona 500.
Got caught up in a wreck after a restart for KyBu wrecking Kahne.
 
well I have to say I told you so to the TRD deniers. so a couple notes from a trained eye as I like to say, go back and watch the last lap with harvick and kenseth. here is how it breaks down because there is quite a bit going on. harvick has a run on the high side and pulls the car low off the banking, this means his car suddenly picks up speed in relation to the outside car by virtue of the shorter distance around the track combine this with the run he already has from behind. next as he pulls along side kenseth he picks up a side draft on kenseth. which speeds his car and slows kenseth. that is what was supposed to happen but it didn't quite work out, instead of going to the bottom and picking kahne up from behind which might have won it, kenseth picks up a slight side draft back and crosses first, I am not sure if harvick stays low in the tri oval if it would have been enough, but I am sure the race would have been closer. The interesting thing to me was kenseth through most of the time had no drafting help from behind!!!! its like he simply stepped on the gas. Remember as the leading car you don't want to pull TOO much of a lead, so the leader is also trying to maintain the distance they want and in many cases may be letting off themselves at certain points, of course its always matted coming off turn 4 no matter what.

my strategy for winning the 500 would be if a gibbs car is leading it with 5 to go I would not wait till the last lap to try and make a pass. I think in order to pass them you are going to need a couple laps for another line to form up to have a chance. the gibbs cars just have too much power coming off 4 for a last lap pass to work single file will not get by them it will take a well established inside line to pull off anything on the last lap. The gibbs cars to me look like they are setup to lead the race, hamlin didn't look so good in traffic, maybe he wasn't really trying that hard at that point who knows.
LOL Thanks captain obvious. Glad you trained ur eyes or we might have all missed that one :rolleyes:
 
well I have to say I told you so to the TRD deniers. so a couple notes from a trained eye as I like to say, go back and watch the last lap with harvick and kenseth. here is how it breaks down because there is quite a bit going on. harvick has a run on the high side and pulls the car low off the banking, this means his car suddenly picks up speed in relation to the outside car by virtue of the shorter distance around the track combine this with the run he already has from behind. next as he pulls along side kenseth he picks up a side draft on kenseth. which speeds his car and slows kenseth. that is what was supposed to happen but it didn't quite work out, instead of going to the bottom and picking kahne up from behind which might have won it, kenseth picks up a slight side draft back and crosses first, I am not sure if harvick stays low in the tri oval if it would have been enough, but I am sure the race would have been closer. The interesting thing to me was kenseth through most of the time had no drafting help from behind!!!! its like he simply stepped on the gas. Remember as the leading car you don't want to pull TOO much of a lead, so the leader is also trying to maintain the distance they want and in many cases may be letting off themselves at certain points, of course its always matted coming off turn 4 no matter what.

my strategy for winning the 500 would be if a gibbs car is leading it with 5 to go I would not wait till the last lap to try and make a pass. I think in order to pass them you are going to need a couple laps for another line to form up to have a chance. the gibbs cars just have too much power coming off 4 for a last lap pass to work single file will not get by them it will take a well established inside line to pull off anything on the last lap. The gibbs cars to me look like they are setup to lead the race, hamlin didn't look so good in traffic, maybe he wasn't really trying that hard at that point who knows.
Trained eye? Bahahaha
Anybody that has been watching plate races for more than just a few years & have listened to the booth babble on about how the draft works can figure out how momentum works in racing. Please, before you get carpel tunnel, stop typing.
 
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