What do you think about the changes?

The races are snooze fests from lap 50 until 50 to go, it has been this way for quite a few years, shorten the races , get rid of the segments and tweek the point system.
 
As for Daytona and Dega being crash fests....yeh and that is because plate racing sucks, the cars can't get away from each other and have no throttle response because they bog down due to being restricted. A new engine package is needed for these tracks, it is long over due.
 
Think of how entertaining it’ll be when they drop laps for the clock and you know you can be entertained by animation domination after the motorsport thing at its regularly scheduled time.

I know I can’t wait.
 
I'm just sick of seeing most of my favorite drivers end up in the garage because Nascar won't or doesn't want to fix Daytona, it seems they want the crashes to increase the new viewer appeal. I've been watching racing for over 50 years and I'd have to say that was the worst 500 I've ever seen.
 
Mopardh9 said:
How was any of that racing over the weekend actually good? There was more crashing than ever, I want to see my favorite drivers racing at the end of the race, not being interviewed in the garage! Shorten the races to no more than 300 miles, have heat qualifiers, 4 heats of 10 cars to determine starting spots. None of this segment BS, like I said Nascar doesn't fix things, they come up with a gimmick to hide the problem which in turn usually makes the problem worse!
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Welcome.

They tried heats several times in the Xfinity series last year. They were basically parades. Heats work when there are plenty of cars competing for a limited number of starting positions. In NASCAR right now, getting into the field isn't an issue.
 
Mopardh9 said:
I'm just sick of seeing most of my favorite drivers end up in the garage because Nascar won't or doesn't want to fix Daytona, it seems they want the crashes to increase the new viewer appeal. I've been watching racing for over 50 years and I'd have to say that was the worst 500 I've ever seen.
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Uh, 2001.
 
Charlie Spencer said:
Welcome.

They tried heats several times in the Xfinity series last year. They were basically parades. Heats work when there are plenty of cars competing for a limited number of starting positions. In NASCAR right now, getting into the field isn't an issue.
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Make it an issue. I'm an old member on here, just haven't been on in a long time, we have had these discussions before about making qualifying important, well it's time they did. 40 qualify, 40 race, how about 34-36 get to race out of that 40, make it meannigful and challenging to actually get in a race.
 
I like the 5 min to fix your car or you go to garage but the networks are already making it so sickening. Someone gets in a wreck "And they are now on the clock" Just stop everyone is every wreck. They are going to pump this fake drama everytime. Just call the damn race and if someone has to park it tell us then. Mike joy is so sickening and he is not even the worst.
 
Halbert said:
Just call the damn race and if someone has to park it tell us then. Mike joy is so sickening and he is not even the worst.
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You won't live long enough to hear the booth simply call the race. Those days went the way of plain old racin'.

If you like the way Joy does it, wait 'til NBC gets it back 'n the guy with the British accent starts calling the "ricing." You'll love him.
 
Mopardh9 said:
The races are snooze fests from lap 50 until 50 to go, it has been this way for quite a few years, shorten the races , get rid of the segments and tweek the point system.
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So the Xfinity Series before they went to a playoff?

Mopardh9 said:
I'm just sick of seeing most of my favorite drivers end up in the garage because Nascar won't or doesn't want to fix Daytona, it seems they want the crashes to increase the new viewer appeal. I've been watching racing for over 50 years and I'd have to say that was the worst 500 I've ever seen.
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Like it or not crashes do get people excited and are part of that danger factor that appeal to a lot of fans. Most the wrecks were not because of Daytona and more to do with drivers mistakes aside from Kyle Buschs tire. Had McMurray not made some dumb moves those two big ones might not have happened. NASCAR can't fix driver stupidity.
 
Charlie Spencer said:
Based on that theory, we should see a similar number of wrecks at Atlanta this week, right? Not necessarily the same number of damaged cars in each accident...
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Maybe, one would think that the number of damaged cars would be down. I mean Daytona does have a some to do with it and how the drivers drive but yeah with the increased aggression there will be mistakes.
 
Daytona magnifies driver mistakes. The close proximity of the filed only exists @ Daytona and Talladega. Apples and oranges to compare the type of racing at Daytona to Atlanta. Only thing that applies to wrecks at the two tracks are two or more cars trying to occupy the same space at the same time.
 
I really like that extra points can be earned in the front end of the race. I believe the drivers were racing harder for that reason. The timed breaks are too long. That's going to eat up a lot of laps at a short track. I think I would be more agreeable to the 5min fix it timer if they were allowed to replace body panels.

Just a note, the big wrecks at super speedways were never as bad as last Sunday. Yes, there was 'the big one' but not over and over and over and over all race. I don't think the drivers forgot how to race at Daytona. JMO but I think this wreck fest had more to do with the package... because what else could it be.
 
Haven't the plate track cars used the same aerodynamic setup for the past several races?
 
Pat said:
Just a note, the big wrecks at super speedways were never as bad as last Sunday. Yes, there was 'the big one' but not over and over and over and over all race. I don't think the drivers forgot how to race at Daytona. JMO but I think this wreck fest had more to do with the package... because what else could it be.
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There were only two big wrecks and I don't think the package had anything to do with them. McMurray had a lot to do with both. Just don't feel like there were enough wrecks to call it a wreck fest but everyone is different.
 
aunty dive said:
Haven't the plate track cars used the same aerodynamic setup for the past several races?
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I think the spoilers were shorter. not sure without researching
Simple Fan said:
There were only two big wrecks and I don't think the package had anything to do with them. McMurray had a lot to do with both. Just don't feel like there were enough wrecks to call it a wreck fest but everyone is different.
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Holy Cow. We didn't see the same race.
 
Pat said:
Holy Cow. We didn't see the same race.
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I guess not because the way I seen it was a lot of green flag racing for the segments, then McMurray and Chase got aggressive and made some moves that weren't there and caused a few wrecks. After that the race was pretty much green to the end. Yeah a lot of cars were involved in those few wrecks but there weren't a lot of wrecks in my opinion.
 
Pat said:
http://www.nascar.com/en_us/news-media/articles/2016/10/14/nascar-announces-2017-rules-package.html
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A welcomed revision of the aero maps. Should help at most places.

From the article:

"The aero package for superspeedway races at Daytona and Talladega will remain unchanged, although there will be a decrease in restrictor plate size (from 57/64ths to 7/8ths of an inch) to combat increasing speeds at the two tracks.
Additionally, the vehicle weight will increase by 20 pounds to accommodate structural changes to the cars."
 
Simple Fan said:
I guess not because the way I seen it was a lot of green flag racing for the segments, then McMurray and Chase got aggressive and made some moves that weren't there and caused a few wrecks. After that the race was pretty much green to the end. Yeah a lot of cars were involved in those few wrecks but there weren't a lot of wrecks in my opinion.
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Dude, I know you just love this new format and all, but you're off by about 4 caution periods. Stats don't lie.

http://www.jayski.com/stats/2017/pdfs/01dis2017results.pdf

8 cautions for 40 laps, only two of which were the stage conclusions.
 
aunty dive said:
A welcomed revision of the aero maps. Should help at most places.

From the article:

"The aero package for superspeedway races at Daytona and Talladega will remain unchanged, although there will be a decrease in restrictor plate size (from 57/64ths to 7/8ths of an inch) to combat increasing speeds at the two tracks.
Additionally, the vehicle weight will increase by 20 pounds to accommodate structural changes to the cars."
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I'm not technical. I just know they made some changes. The cars seemed unstable to me.
 
Acs said:
Dude, I know you just love this new format and all, but you're off by about 4 caution periods. Stats don't lie.

http://www.jayski.com/stats/2017/pdfs/01dis2017results.pdf

8 cautions for 40 laps, only two of which were the stage conclusions.
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I wasn't counting cautions dude, just wrecks. There were 2 big wrecks after the segments and the one Chase caused. Yeah you had others like Kyle's tire and Corey Lajoie and the Roush fords but they weren't big. 160 laps of 200 is a lot of green flag racing in my opinion. My thoughts on the stages have nothing to do with my feeling that it wasn't a wreck fest, in fact I thought we'd seem more wrecks due to the stages but that wasn't the case at all.
 
aunty dive said:
What do they say? ... If you're not slidin' all over the place you're not trying hard enough. Something like that.
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They'll be sliding the corners at Atlanta for sure, but hopefully that won't lead to wrecking.
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
Daytona magnifies driver mistakes. The close proximity of the filed only exists @ Daytona and Talladega. Apples and oranges to compare the type of racing at Daytona to Atlanta. Only thing that applies to wrecks at the two tracks are two or more cars trying to occupy the same space at the same time.
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That's why for me the jury is still out on the new rules until after Atlanta. As I said before I'm leaning toward it being a good thing.
 
Simple Fan said:
So the Xfinity Series before they went to a playoff?



Like it or not crashes do get people excited and are part of that danger factor that appeal to a lot of fans. Most the wrecks were not because of Daytona and more to do with drivers mistakes aside from Kyle Buschs tire. Had McMurray not made some dumb moves those two big ones might not have happened. NASCAR can't fix driver stupidity.
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Most of the crashes were from the package that they have at daytona, these cars can't get away from each other,pack racing equates to a crashfest....just saying.
 
Mopardh9 said:
Most of the crashes were from the package that they have at daytona, these cars can't get away from each other,pack racing equates to a crashfest....just saying.
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I disagree, most the race was run without any problems. Pack racing is what makes Daytona so good. I am always astonished by them going 195 mph with a car all around them and they don't wreck. That's how you know you have the best drivers in the world. You don't get that else where. The package had little to do with the wrecks and more to do with driver mistakes in my opinion but I'm not one to complain about wrecks nor did I think there were a lot in the 500.
 
Simple Fan said:
I disagree, most the race was run without any problems. Pack racing is what makes Daytona so good. I am always astonished by them going 195 mph with a car all around them and they don't wreck. That's how you know you have the best drivers in the world. You don't get that else where. The package had little to do with the wrecks and more to do with driver mistakes in my opinion but I'm not one to complain about wrecks nor did I think there were a lot in the 500.
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Pack racing isn't true racing, back when the cars had no plates, throttle response and actually had to slow down in the corners a little, that was when Daytona and Dega were truly a race. This crap we have had since the plates were installed is a fabricated mess.
 
kk5fan said:
The 20th century is gone, man.
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Yeh no kidding...duh! Nascar has added gimmick after gimmick to Daytona to make the racing "better" for the last 25 years, it's the same BS over and over again. They need a smaller engine displacement generating about 450-500hp without plates. This would provide plenty of speed, throttle response and increase the drafting ability. follow the leader pack type racing only leads to millions of dollars of equipment being torn up in the "Big One". At least half the field was not running at the end this year. I don't want to see a huge wreck every race at daytona take out all the good drivers, it's getting old, and fans are becoming fed up with it, especially older ones who know what racing really is!
 
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