What Do you Think of the New Package?

Larsonfan1995 said:
I'm sure NASCAR could get 40 smaller spacers there in a hurry if they're too fast. They've changed the plates in the middle of the weekend before.
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I'm already on record as saying they'll bring the old plates in the same truck with the new ones. I wouldn't be surprised if there were 40-odd shorter spoilers somewhere on the property.
 
Opinion: One Shining Moment
I sometimes wonder what the reaction would be to each week’s on track product if the fan base didn’t know the details and nuances of the rules. Would the racing be judged differently without the knowledge of engine components, spoiler sizes and aero ducts? On the one hand it’s important for the sport to be transparent and the technical aspect of auto racing has its appeal to many. But all too often the focus becomes what’s on the cars and not what’s happening on the track.

The reality is despite the JGR-Penske juggernaut, it’s been a solid year of competition. Five different drivers have visited Victory Lane in the opening nine races. That’s the same number at this juncture a year ago, which was a stretch including both Kyle Busch and Kevin Harvick putting together three race winning streaks. Margins of victory have been tight and for the most part both the statistical measuring points as well as the eyeball test have been positive.

However, there has yet to be that watercooler race to stimulate conversation. A last lap pass for the win, controversial finish or good old fashioned driver rivalry hasn’t materialized. Those were plentiful last season especially in the second half of the year.

This week’s visit to Talladega certainly has the opportunity to generate some of that energy. The Alabama track has created more than its share of moments in its previous 99 Cup races.

Maybe it will happen again on Sunday. I’d much rather talk about something memorable happening on track than radiator pan diameters, splitter overhang or tapered spacers.

https://www.mrn.com/2019/04/24/pete-pistone-opinion-one-shining-moment/
 
StandOnIt said:
Opinion: One Shining Moment
I sometimes wonder what the reaction would be to each week’s on track product if the fan base didn’t know the details and nuances of the rules. Would the racing be judged differently without the knowledge of engine components, spoiler sizes and aero ducts? On the one hand it’s important for the sport to be transparent and the technical aspect of auto racing has its appeal to many. But all too often the focus becomes what’s on the cars and not what’s happening on the track.

The reality is despite the JGR-Penske juggernaut, it’s been a solid year of competition. Five different drivers have visited Victory Lane in the opening nine races. That’s the same number at this juncture a year ago, which was a stretch including both Kyle Busch and Kevin Harvick putting together three race winning streaks. Margins of victory have been tight and for the most part both the statistical measuring points as well as the eyeball test have been positive.

However, there has yet to be that watercooler race to stimulate conversation. A last lap pass for the win, controversial finish or good old fashioned driver rivalry hasn’t materialized. Those were plentiful last season especially in the second half of the year.

This week’s visit to Talladega certainly has the opportunity to generate some of that energy. The Alabama track has created more than its share of moments in its previous 99 Cup races.

Maybe it will happen again on Sunday. I’d much rather talk about something memorable happening on track than radiator pan diameters, splitter overhang or tapered spacers.

https://www.mrn.com/2019/04/24/pete-pistone-opinion-one-shining-moment/
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This is what Ive been trying to say. Why do the fans need to know about these changes? Who cares! Back before "social media" nobody knew, nor did they give a **** about rule changes. Its just a reason for a section of fans to piss and moan when their driver loses. Nobodys driver EVER lost because they werent fast enough, they lost because of the rules, or they were cheated because of the rules. BUT when they win, everything is good, the other guy better get faster and go to work.
 
I realize I am atypical, but a BIG part of my interest in the sport is the technical details. I want to know about EVERY nut and bolt on that race car. I am also am DEEPLY interested in the business of racing, and all the details. The actual race itself is just the icing on the cake for me.
 
StandOnIt said:
Opinion: One Shining Moment
I sometimes wonder what the reaction would be to each week’s on track product if the fan base didn’t know the details and nuances of the rules. Would the racing be judged differently without the knowledge of engine components, spoiler sizes and aero ducts? On the one hand it’s important for the sport to be transparent and the technical aspect of auto racing has its appeal to many. But all too often the focus becomes what’s on the cars and not what’s happening on the track.

The reality is despite the JGR-Penske juggernaut, it’s been a solid year of competition. Five different drivers have visited Victory Lane in the opening nine races. That’s the same number at this juncture a year ago, which was a stretch including both Kyle Busch and Kevin Harvick putting together three race winning streaks. Margins of victory have been tight and for the most part both the statistical measuring points as well as the eyeball test have been positive.

However, there has yet to be that watercooler race to stimulate conversation. A last lap pass for the win, controversial finish or good old fashioned driver rivalry hasn’t materialized. Those were plentiful last season especially in the second half of the year.

This week’s visit to Talladega certainly has the opportunity to generate some of that energy. The Alabama track has created more than its share of moments in its previous 99 Cup races.

Maybe it will happen again on Sunday. I’d much rather talk about something memorable happening on track than radiator pan diameters, splitter overhang or tapered spacers.

https://www.mrn.com/2019/04/24/pete-pistone-opinion-one-shining-moment/
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That’s the thing though, it’s why the ratings are a little higher. Casual fans are loving the closer racing
 
Formerjackman said:
I realize I am atypical, but a BIG part of my interest in the sport is the technical details. I want to know about EVERY nut and bolt on that race car. I am also am DEEPLY interested in the business of racing, and all the details. The actual race itself is just the icing on the cake for me.
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Absolutely.

I believe a lot of fans are drawn to motorsports exactly because of the details. Look at the high-dollar auction: car enthusiasts who admire the style, engineering, performance, etc -- they are all about the details. Thousands of parts and multiple systems working together in a modern race car. Arguably -- balls, racquets, shoes, curling stone, etc. are simpler in function -- so the focus shifts more to athletes and what they can do as opposed to a more complex race environment of car, driver, pitcrew, garage crew, track conditions, other cars that are allowed to beat on your car, etc.

Now maybe, just maybe the NASCAR social outreach is looking broadly to suit fans of diverse attraction to NASCAR -- BUT the technical aspects of Man and Machine pushing the limits of physics, performance, and the rulebook are what brings many fans to NASCAR.
 
Frontstretch. com. had a article done by Tom Bowles. In which he went inside the numbers to see just how the new package is doing. He compared 4 years with 2005 being the oldest.

Let's just say by the numbers this new package is not as great as the propaganda is making it out to be. As a matter of fact the numbers are equal to last year's numbers.

Plus I said it before listen to what Clint Bowyer had to say on the Dale Jr. podcast. Go to YouTube and search the clip with the heading " they booed us". It is nine minutes long. After you listen to it, what do you think?
 
Formerjackman said:
I realize I am atypical, but a BIG part of my interest in the sport is the technical details. I want to know about EVERY nut and bolt on that race car. I am also am DEEPLY interested in the business of racing, and all the details. The actual race itself is just the icing on the cake for me.
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So am I, but a large part of the fan base really doesnt understand that and all they really hear is a ton of dis information from websites and blogs that puts a bad taste in thier mouths. Im still convinced Social Media has been a detriment to the Sport.
 
nitetrain said:
Frontstretch. com. had a article done by Tom Bowles. In which he went inside the numbers to see just how the new package is doing. He compared 4 years with 2005 being the oldest.

Let's just say by the numbers this new package is not as great as the propaganda is making it out to be. As a matter of fact the numbers are equal to last year's numbers.

Plus I said it before listen to what Clint Bowyer had to say on the Dale Jr. podcast. Go to YouTube and search the clip with the heading " they booed us". It is nine minutes long. After you listen to it, what do you think?
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They booed us had nothing to do with the package. They got booed for not competeing
 
A that title was just of the nine minute video. I referenced it for people to find it on YouTube.

Apparently Spotter22 you didn't listen to what Bowyer had to say because it goes against the narrative you are pushing.

If you did listen to the conversation. What is your response to Boyer saying this package the cars are easy to drive and will not spin out. Boyer said when the cars started having no ride height the cars won't spin out.
And I think all of our opinions should be deferred to a driver of the package and a person currently inside the sport. Meaning engineering and team meetings.
Plus the Tom Bowles article compares this package with facts and numbers. Using the NUMBERS Nascar provides and this package has not provided any better competition than last year. Again his numbers showed 2005 was more competitive.
 
nitetrain said:
A that title was just of the nine minute video. I referenced it for people to find it on YouTube.

Apparently Spotter22 you didn't listen to what Bowyer had to say because it goes against the narrative you are pushing.

If you did listen to the conversation. What is your response to Boyer saying this package the cars are easy to drive and will not spin out. Boyer said when the cars started having no ride height the cars won't spin out.
And I think all of our opinions should be deferred to a driver of the package and a person currently inside the sport. Meaning engineering and team meetings.
Plus the Tom Bowles article compares this package with facts and numbers. Using the NUMBERS Nascar provides and this package has not provided any better competition than last year. Again his numbers showed 2005 was more competitive.
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I've been keeping quiet about weak ass hatchet job that this guy Bowles (who?) tried to pull. I could shoot holes in most of his comparisons easily. He doesn't seem to know or wasn't out of diapers in 2005 that the stages have eliminated the late race GWC's for the most part and convenient end race cautions have gone on for years to create good finishes. Boyer on the other hand doesn't realize that the cars are shaped like Darts with feathers and they are always going to try to straighten out unless they blow a rear tire going into the corner or are knocked sideways. Sorry but I wouldn't use Boyer for a reference unless it was for tasting different beers. Bowles is just another example of giving the media a set of specs to read and making a story. Next week it will probably be about attendance.
 
nitetrain said:
A that title was just of the nine minute video. I referenced it for people to find it on YouTube.

Apparently Spotter22 you didn't listen to what Bowyer had to say because it goes against the narrative you are pushing.

If you did listen to the conversation. What is your response to Boyer saying this package the cars are easy to drive and will not spin out. Boyer said when the cars started having no ride height the cars won't spin out.
And I think all of our opinions should be deferred to a driver of the package and a person currently inside the sport. Meaning engineering and team meetings.
Plus the Tom Bowles article compares this package with facts and numbers. Using the NUMBERS Nascar provides and this package has not provided any better competition than last year. Again his numbers showed 2005 was more competitive.
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Im not "pushing a narrative". What I said was fact, they got booed because the dumbasses sat on pit road until it was too late to make it back around to qualify. No, I didnt go listen or look at Tom Bowles, dont really care what his opinion is.
 
Boyer and Dale Jr. spoke for nine minutes in the clip I referenced. And they spoke about the booing of qualifying for about 2 minutes.
My main point was the other seven minutes where Boyer spoke about the state of these cars, this package.
So keep on talking about the qualifying at Fontana. Your the only one in this thread.
So Stand on it . You don't believe a current driver would know what he is talking about. Even though Jr. was agreeing with Boyer. Maybe you need to watch the video.

Since you know better than a current driver. Which car are you in at Talladega? Where you finish at Richmond?
 
nitetrain said:
Boyer and Dale Jr. spoke for nine minutes in the clip I referenced. And they spoke about the booing of qualifying for about 2 minutes.
My main point was the other seven minutes where Boyer spoke about the state of these cars, this package.
So keep on talking about the qualifying at Fontana. Your the only one in this thread.
So Stand on it . You don't believe a current driver would know what he is talking about. Even though Jr. was agreeing with Boyer. Maybe you need to watch the video.

Since you know better than a current driver. Which car are you in at Talladega? Where you finish at Richmond?
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I dont care what Jr or Bowyer think either.
 
Gear change and 1" more spoiler
nitetrain said:
Boyer and Dale Jr. spoke for nine minutes in the clip I referenced. And they spoke about the booing of qualifying for about 2 minutes.
My main point was the other seven minutes where Boyer spoke about the state of these cars, this package.
So keep on talking about the qualifying at Fontana. Your the only one in this thread.
So Stand on it . You don't believe a current driver would know what he is talking about. Even though Jr. was agreeing with Boyer. Maybe you need to watch the video.

Since you know better than a current driver. Which car are you in at Talladega? Where you finish at Richmond?
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Well it's your opinion. and I have read a hundred weak ass hatchet jobs done by so called internet experts done to Nascar, and yeah I listened to Boyer..and like Spotter said, they were booing the drivers, and yeah Boyer is better off judging beer flavors IMO.
Boyer wasn't good enough to pass Truex, why? he was afraid of wrecking..think about that.
 
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hard to tell, was it the package, the way it played out, the driver who won, or all of the above, but on Gluck's pole the Dega race captured the number one spot so far this year among almost 17 thousand polled.

 
Charlie Spencer said:
I've realized that if I ever knew what the package is supposed to accomplish, I don't any longer. As such, I'm not going to worry about it any more
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The greatest trick The Package ever pulled was convincing the world Charlie it didn't exist.
 
TERRIBLE. 2 green flag passes for the lead.

Please undo what you have done NASCAR!
 
Devine and St. Hilarie expected the intermediates to be like plate tracks. They expected to be further upfront, I think that's why Devine is up in arms.
 
Turtle84 said:
Yep they need to raise holy hell, same thing had to happen for qualifying.





Even the owners
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It's a very difficult dilemma. I understand the principle that badmouthing the product is a no-no for industry insiders, basically a fineable offense. But I agree with these complaints... high downforce kills good racing just about every damn time.

All I can do is pray that sanity returns in 2021 when the Gen 7 car hits the track.
 
Good for the drivers who have spoken out. All of them, whether I'm fans of theirs or not. If one speaks in favor and provides specifics rather than just "Golly gee, it's what we're stuck with, so we might as well enjoy it", I consider that too. Open debate is good. The Shut Up and Drive brigade should take their own advice if they're that committed to silence and phony positivity.
 
high, low or sideways forces doesn't make any difference at Dover. One week the haters are saying it is too slow, the next it is too fast, they say they love the fastest low downforce car being able to stay out front in clean air, hard to pass, but don't have a high D/F car doing the same thing. I don't think they really know what the heck they want. To me the package didn't do anything different at Dover.
 
LewTheShoe said:
It's a very difficult dilemma. I understand the principle that badmouthing the product is a no-no for industry insiders, basically a fineable offense. But I agree with these complaints... high downforce kills good racing just about every damn time.

All I can do is pray that sanity returns in 2021 when the Gen 7 car hits the track.
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I think that's all we're really asking for is a little bit of sanity with the changes year after year. And if you make a bad one, then at least recognize it quickly, and undo it since you're knowingly experimenting. I don't think that's asking too much.

Sometimes it seems that NASCAR likes to stir the drink just to stir the drink. If that's what they want, then mission accomplished.
 
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