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Modern drivers are by far and away more talented than Earnhardt, Cale, Petty ever were. All the old-time "wheel men" couldn't hold a candle to Erik Jones let alone the Kyle Busch's of the sport.
Comparing the skills of drivers of different eras is as meaningless as comparing championships under different points systems.
 

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Group qualifying at plate tracks was the most exciting qualifying has ever been.

Group qualifying was the best idea for qualifying and could have been fixed with a couple simple changes instead of being scrapped.

Group qualifying is the worst thing that's happened to NASCAR since the Chase/Playoffs in '04.

Worse than the COT, worse than the current rules package. There's my unpopular opinion. Thank God it's gone, hopefully forever.
 

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Group qualifying is the worst thing that's happened to NASCAR since the Chase/Playoffs in '04.

Worse than the COT, worse than the current rules package. There's my unpopular opinion. Thank God it's gone, hopefully forever.

Agreed. Don't see why you should get multiple tries to put in a hot lap.

It's not that fun to track to watch in person or on TV.
 

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Agreed. Don't see why you should get multiple tries to put in a hot lap.

It's not that fun to track or watch in person or on TV.

Completely defeated the point of qualifying, they were wayyyy overthinking it. Glorified practice session. It wasn't more exciting, it was just pointless and unnecessary. I absolutely despised that knockout BS.
 

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Completely defeated the point of qualifying,
That depends on what the point of qualifying is. I thought it was to set a starting line-up. If so, it doesn't matter what method they use - single lap, multi-lap, points standings, cut cards, etc.

It may matter if the purpose of qualifying is something OTHER than setting a starting line-up.
 

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Plate track qualifying other than for the Daytona 500 is a waste of fuel. I'd rather them draw numbers out of an empty Budweiser bottle like they did for the Clash one year.
 

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^^^ I should stipulate, I'm fine with current way and don't care that much, I just think it would be cool to see a backmarker plate specialist like Gaughan start on pole to see how long he could hold the lead.
 

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I don't see the point of watching one car at a time going around the track, and burning up an hour or more to do it.
I gotta say I miss watching Front Row Joe qualify at Daytona. Man he could could be guaranteed to put in 2 great qualifying laps
 

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Well for a lot of tracks qualifying is rather pointless. Bar road courses and the shorter tracks, I can see NASCAR's thought process in making it a glorified practice session.
 

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Modern drivers are by far and away more talented than Earnhardt, Cale, Petty ever were. All the old-time "wheel men" couldn't hold a candle to Erik Jones let alone the Kyle Busch's of the sport.
Most of your modern drivers would be busboys if they had to contend with the cars of the 70's to late 80's. Being able to go fast means nothing if you can't compensate for what the car lacks.
Take away all those comforts like special seats, air cooled suits and helmets and give them a cigarette lighter. :D
 

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Starting line up and pit selection.
Pit selections are made according to your finishing position of the last race.
Winner gets to make selection first.
Starting line up is set by points in reverse. Highest points starts last etc.
No car can change tires or add fuel during a caution flag.
Cautions laps do not count, race finish is determined by the clock.

Let the games begin.:partytime qualifying is done away with as will the expense and time for setups
and extra tires.
 

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Most of your modern drivers would be busboys if they had to contend with the cars of the 70's to late 80's. Being able to go fast means nothing if you can't compensate for what the car lacks.
Take away all those comforts like special seats, air cooled suits and helmets and give them a cigarette lighter. :D
Can you imagine one of todays toy boys trying to wheel a 4000# stock car with bias tires, 3 degrees of caster, no power steering, drum brakes, and for 500 miles? Heck they couldn't beat Janet Guthrie arm wrestling much less drive a real stock car.
 

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Can you imagine one of todays toy boys trying to wheel a 4000# stock car with bias tires, 3 degrees of caster, no power steering, drum brakes, and for 500 miles? Heck they couldn't beat Janet Guthrie arm wrestling much less drive a real stock car.
Some could, some couldn't. I think the lack of power steering would be an issue for many, but like most drivers can adjust to that type of situation.

Newer age drivers can adjust, especially with modern variations of fitness would not be an issue. Comparing generations is such an ask, I don't think either generation would adjust well outside of their norms.

At the same time, rules change so often and drivers have to adjust their driving styles to such with the generation 6 car... Its really not easy anyway its sliced.
 

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Starting line up and pit selection.
Pit selections are made according to your finishing position of the last race.
Winner gets to make selection first.
Starting line up is set by points in reverse. Highest points starts last etc.
No car can change tires or add fuel during a caution flag.
Cautions laps do not count, race finish is determined by the clock.

Let the games begin.:partytime qualifying is done away with as will the expense and time for setups
and extra tires.

That would be a show for stage 1 points, nascar would like the chaos of the faster cars getting through the traffic, nice little sponsor exposure for the small teams.
 

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Most of your modern drivers would be busboys if they had to contend with the cars of the 70's to late 80's. Being able to go fast means nothing if you can't compensate for what the car lacks.
Take away all those comforts like special seats, air cooled suits and helmets and give them a cigarette lighter. :D
Can you imagine one of todays toy boys trying to wheel a 4000# stock car with bias tires, 3 degrees of caster, no power steering, drum brakes, and for 500 miles? Heck they couldn't beat Janet Guthrie arm wrestling much less drive a real stock car.
Everytime I see posts like this these, I have to ask, "If Petty, Yarborough, Pearson, etc had the opportunity to install power steering, cooling systems, disk brakes, fitted seats, do you think they would have turned that gear down?"
 
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Modern drivers are by far and away more talented than Earnhardt, Cale, Petty ever were. All the old-time "wheel men" couldn't hold a candle to Erik Jones let alone the Kyle Busch's of the sport.
This is just not true. and you have no way of comparing metrics to even make a statement like this.
 

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Qualifying should be for earning the best pit stall position.
The actual starting grid should be inverted for the top 24 cars in points.
The cars from 25th to 40ish in points would start based on speed, if they had the10th best time they would start P10 etc.
The inverted top 24 would move back a spot each begining with the 11th postion in those cases.

More sponsorship exposure for mid packers, and interesting drives to the front by the more dominate drivers.
 

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Just seems to me with independent suspension and sequential gear boxes were getting pretty close to the V8 super cars

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Qualifying should be for earning the best pit stall position.
The actual starting grid should be inverted for the top 24 cars in points.
The cars from 25th to 40ish in points would start based on speed, if they had the10th best time they would start P10 etc.
The inverted top 24 would move back a spot each begining with the 11th postion in those cases.

More sponsorship exposure for mid packers, and interesting drives to the front by the more dominate drivers.

I'm on board for the sponsorship exposure aspect, hopefully leading to a stronger back half of the field if businesses see that. I would random draw inverted 20-40 starting on pole so it's a moving target, starting at Atlanta. Daytona is too big of a prize for pole.

Really I don't want any of this though, I'm fine with it being set on speed performance in qualifying at every track.
 

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Do you regard that as good thing or a bad one?
Personally myself no. If it were up to me we wouldn't have a digital dash or even carbon fiber dashboards. To me when you had everything simple it was a lot easier for people to get into the sport and most everyone couple work on these things

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Personally myself no. If it were up to me we wouldn't have a digital dash or even carbon fiber dashboards. To me when you had everything simple it was a lot easier for people to get into the sport and most everyone couple work on these things

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The Mustangs, Camaros & Camrys at the dealers have digital gauge clusters, HUDs & weight reduction tech.

Its nothing outlandish or new, just progressing education.
 

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I wish they still ran bias ply tires and carburators with unlimited horsepower.The cars should be a beast.
I would rather give up the tracks that are 1.5 miles or bigger and keep the horsepower.
 

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Can you imagine one of todays toy boys trying to wheel a 4000# stock car with bias tires, 3 degrees of caster, no power steering, drum brakes, and for 500 miles? Heck they couldn't beat Janet Guthrie arm wrestling much less drive a real stock car.
You're deeply into the lifestyle of the Early Nascar Era. From this post and others, it's clear that lifestyle nostalgia is what's most important to you.

I've known real racers and pretend racers from the 1970's and 80's. And I know real racers and pretend racers from the current era. I'm not into lifestyle nostalgia... I'm into racing. In terms of what makes 'em fast, what makes 'em winners, what makes 'em Real Racers... there is no discernible difference between the eras. They work with different tools and equipment, in racing and in every other craft as well over 50 years of evolution. But the people are the same in terms of the tangibles and intangibles that separate Real Racers from everyone else.

I also love Nascar's rich and varied history. That is what car shows and museums are for... to remember and appreciate the past; not to remain trapped in it constantly wallowing about.
 

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I wish they still ran bias ply tires and carburators with unlimited horsepower.The cars should be a beast.
I would rather give up the tracks that are 1.5 miles or bigger and keep the horsepower.


The thing is, the unlimited horsepower from the era you are speaking of was less than the limited horsepower we have now with the 750 package, and if you figure in the weight reduction and aerodynamics of the newer cars, even the 550 package produces faster lap times. You MIGHT have a point about bias ply tires putting on a better show, but if we are talking "stock cars", when was the last new car produced with bias ply tires? 40 years ago? Same deal with the carburetors. GM for instance used their last carburetors on 1990 Cadillacs with the Oldsmobile Pushrod V8. The Holley Carb that was legal for NASCAR use dates back to about 1955.
 
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