Win and You're In; I'm Sold

I don't have an issue with the new format, except for the "winner take all" gimmick in the last race. What is so great about Homestead that it should decide the champion? What if a guy wins 12 races, dominates the whole year leading up to Homestead, then gets wrecked or loses a tire or only finishes 5th in the finale, and doesn't win the title? That's BS no matter how you look at it.

The Sprint Cup Championship is officially dead. I couldn't care less who wins the Homestead Cup.
 
TooSweet said:
I don't have an issue with the new format, except for the "winner take all" gimmick in the last race. What is so great about Homestead that it should decide the champion? What if a guy wins 12 races, dominates the whole year leading up to Homestead, then gets wrecked or loses a tire or only finishes 5th in the finale, and doesn't win the title? That's BS no matter how you look at it.

The Sprint Cup Championship is officially dead. I couldn't care less who wins the Homestead Cup.
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Too bad, so sad. Those are the rules. He didn't deserve to win the championship and should have tried harder to avoid that bad luck.

Signed,
SlicedBread22
 
I'm sold on how the new rules impact the regular season. The evidence is pretty overwhelming that drivers and teams were not going all out for the win prior to this years changes. I don't watch NASCAR in the fall anyway (FOOBALLZ!) so it's all the same to me what happens in the chase.
 
if #24 or #88 wins '14 championship.....will it be legitimate ?
 
TooSweet said:
I don't have an issue with the new format, except for the "winner take all" gimmick in the last race. What is so great about Homestead that it should decide the champion? What if a guy wins 12 races, dominates the whole year leading up to Homestead, then gets wrecked or loses a tire or only finishes 5th in the finale, and doesn't win the title? That's BS no matter how you look at it.

The Sprint Cup Championship is officially dead. I couldn't care less who wins the Homestead Cup.
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That ain't right. The last race, the top four finishers will race the last race for the championship with the top finisher taking the championship. They start with the top 16 and every three races they eliminate, all the way down to the last race with the final four best finisher winning the title. Of course that isn't going to change an opinion, but that is a B.S. scenario.
 
So many wise posts.... But so many stupid posts....
 
A ton of changes to the format of The Chase in the past decade has taken the relevance out of the Cup Championship.
Let's just enjoy the racing. It really doesn't matter anymore who gets the silver trophy at the end of the season.
Thanks Brian.
JMO.
 
hawg dawg said:
thinkin jj took relevance outa silver trophy ! ?
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No. JJ earned his Championships. He and his team out-performed their competitors regardless of the format. Kudos to them. It doesn't mean that JJ is the greatest of all-time, it just means that he was a member of the most consistent team in the modern era. Championships are won and lost on the track as well as in the pits.
Brian France, since 2004, has taken the relevance out of Cup Championships. JJ would not have won 6 Championships if the format had remained the same for the past 15 years.
 
Barring the Edwards v Stewart battle, the nationwide series championship has shown to be just as (or even more) exciting to watch than the cup. Certainly a variety of winners. And they don't have a chase format :)

NASCAR is a global sport, but certainly holds their strongest grounds in the Bible Belt of America. The region is known for conservatism & not a fan of change. Dear France, stop changing the ****** system every 5 seasons. If you believe NASCAR didn't implement this change to hinder JJ's chances of dulling the sport out even more, then you're a fool.
 
BobbyFord said:
No. JJ earned his Championships. He and his team out-performed their competitors regardless of the format. Kudos to them. It doesn't mean that JJ is the greatest of all-time, it just means that he was a member of the most consistent team in the modern era. Championships are won and lost on the track as well as in the pits.
Brian France, since 2004, has taken the relevance out of Cup Championships. JJ would not have won 6 Championships if the format had remained the same for the past 15 years.
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How do you know that? The strategy involved in the new system vs the old system would be totally different. I think Chad gets that 48 team to peak at the right time and Chad would have an entirely different approach to the Winston Cup format. You can't say JJ would not have won, it's an unknown, but what you can say is that team has been the best the last 8 years because they figured out the best way to win under the current system, nothing should be taken away from that. Also saying france is changing this to stop JJ from winning more Championships is BS, France is still trying to compete with the NFL and thinks a hyped last race will give him that edge over football. Nascar has its' niche in the fall, but will never be able to surpasss football and France needs to accept this rather than continually changing the Chase to "generate" excitement.
 
Mr. Gregory said:
Sigh. What are we gonna do with you, Slice?

I wonder how you would feel about all this if Joey ended up being the unlucky driver in TooSweet's scenario?
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It would suck... but man, it is what it is. The champion will earn it and the racing is great. If Joey even makes it to the final 4 Im happy. Hell, Im happy with this year even if he finishes 43rd the rest of the season lol
 
IMO Any driver that makes the final 4 is worthy of being crowned champion. Then it comes down to whether they can step it up when it really counts. I think the only situation I wouldn't like is if someone from the final 4 wrecked early and was 30th or something, then with 15 to go the rest wreck and the 30th place guy wins the cup. Other than that.. like I said any of the final 4 are worthy of it. Its just a matter of who will get it.
 
I'm convinced now that the new point system is making drivers 'try to win more', and it hasn't removed the incentive to get the best possible finish in every race.

I'm sure Dale Jr riding the race out at the back of the pack at Dega had nothing to do with him being locked into the chase with his Daytona win.
 
And why do they still even use points?

Why not use avg finish?

Somewhat serious question.
 
Jeffrey00 said:
Unless I am missing the sarcasm that is basically what stick and ball playoffs are.
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Well, yes and no. If an NFL team wins in Week 1, it doesn't lock them into the playoffs. In the NFL, you usually have to win at least 9 or 10 games to get in.When Dale Jr won the Daytona 500, he knew there was about a 99% chance he'd be in the playoffs, 6-1/2 months before said playoffs start.
 
ToyYoda said:
Well, yes and no. If an NFL team wins in Week 1, it doesn't lock them into the playoffs. In the NFL, you usually have to win at least 9 or 10 games to get in.When Dale Jr won the Daytona 500, he knew there was about a 99% chance he'd be in the playoffs, 6-1/2 months before said playoffs start.
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Driver's with wins can still miss the chase, just like a NFL team with 11 wins could still miss the play offs. However the more wins greatly increases your chances.
 
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