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Guess not in Nascraps eyes.
WTF happened?
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Guess not in Nascraps eyes.
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be9ak7ts16
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I hope I didn't delete that race. I missed that.
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In Arca, A little while ago. 49 year old Kimmel tried to get in the face of RCR's 18 year old Ty Dillon. Richard said it was just racing then.
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From what the Raceday people were saying, it sounds like NASCAR's muzzled Childress for today.
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I saw the Kyle interview a few minutes ago, but so far I haven't seen anything on Childress....has anyone else?
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NASCAR restricted RC's track access.
Childress penalized for altercation; Busch cleared
RCR owner not allowed on pit road at Kansas, further sanctions probable
By Sporting News Wire Service
June 05, 2011 12:59 PM, EDT
KANSAS CITY, Kan. -- Richard Childress will pay a price for punching Kyle Busch after Saturday's Camping World Truck Series race at Kansas Speedway.
NASCAR stopped short of ejecting Childress, 65, from the race track but restricted his movements during Sunday's STP 400 Sprint Cup race. Though NASCAR president Mike Helton didn't detail all the restrictions, he indicated that Childress would not be allowed on pit road.
"We've concluded that the driver of the No. 18 truck, Kyle Busch, did nothing to provoke or to cause the reactions that, in our opinion, would have violated probation. He did nothing that would have warranted the actions of Richard Childress.
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-- MIKE HELTONHelton said that, in NASCAR's judgment, Busch, 26, did not violate the terms of the probation he received after a post-race confrontation with Richard Childress Racing driver Kevin Harvick after the race at Darlington.
Busch and Harvick both are on probation for all NASCAR events through June 15, after Harvick climbed from his car and tried to punch Busch through his car window, and Busch responded by pushing Harvick's unattended car into the pit road wall.
During Saturday's Truck race, RCR driver Joey Coulter passed Busch for fifth place off the final corner. On the cool-down lap, Busch pulled up beside Coulter, causing slight contact between the trucks -- enough to produced smoke from the tires.
After the race, according to witnesses, Childress put Busch in a headlock and punched him three times. Because NASCAR feels that Busch's actions didn't warrant retaliation from Childress, the sanctioning body restricted Childress' movements at the race track on Sunday, with further sanctions to be announced later, perhaps as early as Monday.
On Sunday morning, NASCAR officials met with Busch, Childress and team owner Joe Gibbs, who fields the cars Busch drives.
"We've concluded that the driver of the No. 18 truck, Kyle Busch, did nothing to provoke or to cause the reactions that, in our opinion, would have violated probation," Helton said Sunday before the drivers' meeting. "He did nothing that would have warranted the actions of Richard Childress.
"Once we get [Sunday's] race concluded, which is the focus of [Sunday], we'll have to decide what NASCAR's reaction is to Richard Childress as a member of NASCAR in an action against another NASCAR member. The biggest topic [Sunday] -- certainly through the conversations outside of the incident itself -- was to be sure that [Sunday's] event went on correctly and safely for everybody involved in both the Richard Childress Racing and Joe Gibbs Racing organizations.
"We made it clear to them that our expectations are that both Joe Gibbs and Richard Childress meet with their teams to be sure that nobody from their organizations felt like there was anything that needed to done from their side."
Busch acknowledged Sunday morning that the altercation had occurred but didn't go into detail.
"There was an incident (Saturday) in the truck series garage, as I was leaving my hauler on my way out to the motor home lot," Busch said. "Unfortuately, it was an altercation between myself and Richard, and NASCAR's looking into it to decipher all the facts of what happened and everything and make a decision based on all that."
Helton said NASCAR considered ejecting Childress from the race track but stopped short.
"That was considered in this case," Helton said. "What will happen [Sunday] is that Richard Childress will operate as the owner of Richard Childress Racing with some restrictions attached to it, as far as where he may go or not go. But we decided to let Richard stay, because there does need to be leadership of an organization represented.
"Historically, we rely on crew chiefs, but since both organizations have multiple teams, we decided that it would be better if there was an authority from the team here, and there's not a second level authority present here from [Childress'] organization. Joe Gibbs is here from Joe Gibbs Racing, and we chose to allow Richard to participate [Sunday]."
NASCAR's statement after Sunday's meeting was even stronger than Helton's comments to reporters. The statement included the following:
"Richard Childress' actions were not appropriate and fell far short of the standard we expect of owners in this sport. We have met with Childress this morning and made our position very clear to him. Further, we expect he will make it clear to all in his organization to ensure this situation does not escalate any further. We will announce our actions [in] regard [to] this incident Monday.
"Kyle Busch remains on probation with NASCAR, and we continue to watch his actions carefully. However, we have determined that Kyle's involvement in this incident does not violate his probation, and no further action is required."
Busch acknowledged Sunday morning that the altercation had occurred but didn't go into detail.
"There was an incident [Saturday] in the Truck Series garage, as I was leaving my hauler on my way out to the motor home lot," Busch said. "Unfortunately, it was an altercation between myself and Richard, and NASCAR's looking into it to decipher all the facts of what happened and everything and make a decision based on all that."
RCR owner not allowed on pit road at Kansas, further sanctions probable
By Sporting News Wire Service
June 05, 2011 12:59 PM, EDT
KANSAS CITY, Kan. -- Richard Childress will pay a price for punching Kyle Busch after Saturday's Camping World Truck Series race at Kansas Speedway.
NASCAR stopped short of ejecting Childress, 65, from the race track but restricted his movements during Sunday's STP 400 Sprint Cup race. Though NASCAR president Mike Helton didn't detail all the restrictions, he indicated that Childress would not be allowed on pit road.
"We've concluded that the driver of the No. 18 truck, Kyle Busch, did nothing to provoke or to cause the reactions that, in our opinion, would have violated probation. He did nothing that would have warranted the actions of Richard Childress.
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-- MIKE HELTONHelton said that, in NASCAR's judgment, Busch, 26, did not violate the terms of the probation he received after a post-race confrontation with Richard Childress Racing driver Kevin Harvick after the race at Darlington.
Busch and Harvick both are on probation for all NASCAR events through June 15, after Harvick climbed from his car and tried to punch Busch through his car window, and Busch responded by pushing Harvick's unattended car into the pit road wall.
During Saturday's Truck race, RCR driver Joey Coulter passed Busch for fifth place off the final corner. On the cool-down lap, Busch pulled up beside Coulter, causing slight contact between the trucks -- enough to produced smoke from the tires.
After the race, according to witnesses, Childress put Busch in a headlock and punched him three times. Because NASCAR feels that Busch's actions didn't warrant retaliation from Childress, the sanctioning body restricted Childress' movements at the race track on Sunday, with further sanctions to be announced later, perhaps as early as Monday.
On Sunday morning, NASCAR officials met with Busch, Childress and team owner Joe Gibbs, who fields the cars Busch drives.
"We've concluded that the driver of the No. 18 truck, Kyle Busch, did nothing to provoke or to cause the reactions that, in our opinion, would have violated probation," Helton said Sunday before the drivers' meeting. "He did nothing that would have warranted the actions of Richard Childress.
"Once we get [Sunday's] race concluded, which is the focus of [Sunday], we'll have to decide what NASCAR's reaction is to Richard Childress as a member of NASCAR in an action against another NASCAR member. The biggest topic [Sunday] -- certainly through the conversations outside of the incident itself -- was to be sure that [Sunday's] event went on correctly and safely for everybody involved in both the Richard Childress Racing and Joe Gibbs Racing organizations.
"We made it clear to them that our expectations are that both Joe Gibbs and Richard Childress meet with their teams to be sure that nobody from their organizations felt like there was anything that needed to done from their side."
Busch acknowledged Sunday morning that the altercation had occurred but didn't go into detail.
"There was an incident (Saturday) in the truck series garage, as I was leaving my hauler on my way out to the motor home lot," Busch said. "Unfortuately, it was an altercation between myself and Richard, and NASCAR's looking into it to decipher all the facts of what happened and everything and make a decision based on all that."
Helton said NASCAR considered ejecting Childress from the race track but stopped short.
"That was considered in this case," Helton said. "What will happen [Sunday] is that Richard Childress will operate as the owner of Richard Childress Racing with some restrictions attached to it, as far as where he may go or not go. But we decided to let Richard stay, because there does need to be leadership of an organization represented.
"Historically, we rely on crew chiefs, but since both organizations have multiple teams, we decided that it would be better if there was an authority from the team here, and there's not a second level authority present here from [Childress'] organization. Joe Gibbs is here from Joe Gibbs Racing, and we chose to allow Richard to participate [Sunday]."
NASCAR's statement after Sunday's meeting was even stronger than Helton's comments to reporters. The statement included the following:
"Richard Childress' actions were not appropriate and fell far short of the standard we expect of owners in this sport. We have met with Childress this morning and made our position very clear to him. Further, we expect he will make it clear to all in his organization to ensure this situation does not escalate any further. We will announce our actions [in] regard [to] this incident Monday.
"Kyle Busch remains on probation with NASCAR, and we continue to watch his actions carefully. However, we have determined that Kyle's involvement in this incident does not violate his probation, and no further action is required."
Busch acknowledged Sunday morning that the altercation had occurred but didn't go into detail.
"There was an incident [Saturday] in the Truck Series garage, as I was leaving my hauler on my way out to the motor home lot," Busch said. "Unfortunately, it was an altercation between myself and Richard, and NASCAR's looking into it to decipher all the facts of what happened and everything and make a decision based on all that."
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After reading more about his on a few other bloggs and racing sites it occured to me that Kyle baited Richard into this, that he knew if he did not retaliate, Nascar would come down hard on Richard. It would appear that this is going to happen, one poster on another board said Kyle was snickering as he walked away from the incident. Not sure if this is true or not, but maybe this is Kyles' way of getting back at RCR and Harvick. Of course this is just my opinion , yours' most likely differs.
Thats really going out on a limb....dont you think?......or were you there?
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I just said it was my opinion, never said I was there.
mike honcho
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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chromehorn
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I'd like to know what really happened. Bumping another car on the cool down lap is not enough to piss of Childress like that. I can't say Kyle didn't have in coming though.
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SlowNeasy
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guess kyle *could* have given rc the finger from the track to lure him to his hauler but that's reaching a bit imo.
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Mopardh9
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Like some one else said I think there i s a whole lot more to this story and we'll probably never know everything.
HoneyBadger
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One of the reports said Childress didn't like the things Kyle's mouth said.
I watched FOX earlier and ESPN last night and they were basically saying Childress walked over and just decided to kick Kyle's ass. I highly doubt Kyle's as innocent as the media's making him out to be, given Kyle's reputation for mouthing off and being a genuine dick -- but who knows.
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Any penalty that Nascar hands out is money well spent by Richard. Im sure he would think so otherwise he wouldn't of done it.
Maybe Richard is pissed that Kyle has had more wins in the past five years than all three of his drivers combined
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Or maybe he thought Busch could use an attitude adjustment.
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Well, with that train of thought, Jimmy Johnson should be a quadrapalegic by now.......
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I would hate to be a Childress driver after this incident. We all know Kyle isn't intimidated by getting his ass kicked in the pits. But now he may never let another Childress car win a race. It won't be long before nascar has to make Kyle give the rest of the field a 2 lap head start so it is an even race.
Well, with that train of thought, Jimmy Johnson should be a quadrapalegic by now.......
All Time Wins - Three Series Combined:
Driver, Wins
1. Richard Petty, 200 [all in Sprint Cup]
2. David Pearson, 106 [105 Cup, 1 Nationwide]
3. Darrell Waltrip, 97 [84 Cup, 13 Nationwide]
3. Dale Earnhardt, 97 [76 Cup, 21 Nationwide]
3. Kyle Busch*, 97 [21 Cup, 48 Nationwide, 28 Trucks]
5. Mark Martin*, 96 [40 Cup, 49 Nationwide, 7 Trucks]
7. Jeff Gordon*, 88 [83 Cup, 5 Nationwide]
8. Bobby Allison, 86 [84 Cup, 2 Nationwide]
9. Cale Yarborough, 83 [all in Sprint Cup]
10. Kevin Harvick*, 62 [17 Cup, 37 Nationwide, 8 Trucks]
Rusty Wallace, 55 [all in Sprint Cup]
Jimmie Johnson*, 55 [54 Cup, 1 Nationwide]
Greg Biffle*, 52 [16 Cup, 20 Nationwide, 16 Trucks]
Carl Edwards*, 52 [19 Cup, 27 Nationwide, 6 Trucks]
Tony Stewart*, 51 [39 Cup, 10 Nationwide, 2 Trucks]
Junior Johnson, 50 [all in Sprint Cup]
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Are you sure the old man touched him there Mike?
He made an obvious attempt at the start to show his face without glasses.
I imagine he is having fun waiting for nascar to make a decision on penalties for RC
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzLi85DrFZ0
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Kyle Busch, love him or hate him, is one of the best out there today! Show me a guy 26 years old with his successes who hasn't made social faux pas when climbing his way to that success and he'll be in a monastery. Kyle has made mistakes on and off the track as he did when driving too fast on a rural road. No one feels he should be given special treatment but must be punished to the full extent of the law. Actions he takes on the race track should be between the two drivers.
As for Childress, the old comment, "just because someone has money doesn't mean they have class," comes to mind. As one of the older fans of this sport, I never thought I would see the day in this era where an owner acted like a complete, unadulterated, ill-mannered, throwback to uncivilized times like Childress did in his unprovoked attack on Busch.
Personally, I think Kyle handled it very well given the circumstances. For those who think he showed weakness, I think he showed strength. Strength in knowing he was on probation and strength in showing he was a bigger man than
Richard Childress.
kelloggs5TLfan
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It won't be long before nascar has to make Kyle give the rest of the field a 2 lap head start so it is an even race.
Wishful dream? LOL
97forever
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Ahh, I gotta say, Whizz, it's good to actually be agreeing with you on something again.
Maybe Kyle just, well, 'intimidates' Childress and RCR, eh?
dpkimmel2001
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I'm guessing a two week ban from the track for Childress as well as probation until the end of the 2011 season.
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SlowNeasy
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yep, rcr can forget any uncontested passes they *might* have gotten before this incident. what's that saying about sleeping dogs?I would hate to be a Childress driver after this incident. We all know Kyle isn't intimidated by getting his ass kicked in the pits. But now he may never let another Childress car win a race. It won't be long before nascar has to make Kyle give the rest of the field a 2 lap head start so it is an even race.
klemmabyna
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wow...an apparent kyle busch fan talking about someone else not having class and acting like "a complete, unadulterated, ill-mannered, throwback to uncivilized times "....
pot: meet kettle
kyle a bigger man? how about kyle: all bark, no bite?
take shots at childress' behavior. that's fair. but any attempt to paint kyle as innocent is ignorant.
just my opinion.
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Something happened that we don't know about. Childress is too smart a businessman to go wailing on someone for no reason.
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Let's compare Apples to Apples, shall we?
1. Richard Petty, 200 [all in Sprint Cup]
2. David Pearson, 105 [105 Cup]
3. Darrell Waltrip, 84 [84 Cup]
4. Bobby Allison, 84 [84 Cup]
5. Cale Yarborough, 83 [all in Sprint Cup]
6. Jeff Gordon*, 83 [83 Cup]
7. Dale Earnhardt, 76 [76 Cup]
8. Rusty Wallace, 55 [all in Sprint Cup]
9. Jimmie Johnson*, 54 [54 Cup]
10. Junior Johnson, 50 [all in Sprint Cup]
11. Mark Martin*, 40 [40 Cup]
12. Tony Stewart*, 39 [39 Cup]
13. Kyle Busch*, 21 [21 Cup]
14. Carl Edwards*, 19 [19 Cup]
15. Kevin Harvick*, 17 [17 Cup]
16. Greg Biffle*, 16 [16 Cup]
This is for CUP wins only, and as you can see, Busch barely made it out of the bottom 3.
be9ak7ts16
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Doesn't Bill Elliots 44 wins make the grade.
klemmabyna
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something happened? how about on track at darlington?
VaDirt
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Sorry, your apples and oranges aren't cutting it. Look at all the winners that have more wins. With the exception of Johnson, the rest have many, many, many more years in than he does. If you really want to do a comparison like this, you need to look at the percentage of wins compared to starts, not just the number.
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VaDirt: i'm having a hrd time not posting my championship scoreboard!
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I actually think the comparison is quite apt, people going on and on about how Kyle Busch is the BEST EVAH!!!!!!!, and yet he barely makes the grade when compared to other drivers. Yes yes, he had 97 wins, you know what I say to that? *Yawn*. Vast majority of his wins are in minor league racing while only a small portion of it is in major league cup.
Someone wake me up when Kyle Busch actually comes into contention with someone like Johnson (Both of them), Gordon or Richard Petty.
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dpkimmel2001
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Here's some more Cup only numbers to ponder.....
Kyle Busch ranks 3rd among active drivers in winning percentage. He ranks 25th over all in the history of the sport.
Here's the top 50
Winning % & starts
1 Herb Thomas .2105 228
2 Tim Flock .2086 187
3 David Pearson .1829 574
4 Richard Petty .1689 1,184
5 Fred Lorenzen .1646 158
6 Fireball Roberts .1602 206
7 Junior Johnson .1597 313
8 Jimmie Johnson .1588 340
9 Cale Yarborough .1482 560
10 Ned Jarrett .1420 352
11 Dick Hutcherson .1359 103
12 Jeff Gordon .1317 630
13 Lee Petty .1265 427
14 Fonty Flock .1242 153
15 Rex White .1202 233
16 Bobby Isaac .1201 308
17 Bobby Allison .1184 718
18 Dale Earnhardt .1124 676
19 Joe Weatherly .1087 230
20 Darrell Waltrip .1038 809
21 Dick Rathman .1016 128
22 Speedy Thompson .1015 197
23 Davey Allison .0995 191
24 Curtis Turner .0929 183
25 Kyle Busch .0894 235
26 Tony Stewart .0884 441
27 Denny Hamlin .0800 200
28 Jack Smith .0795 264
29 Marvin Panch .0787 216
30 Carl Edwards .0785 242
31 Rusty Wallace .0779 706
32 Buck Baker .0724 635
33 Paul Goldsmith .0709 127
34 LeeRoy Yarbrough .0707 198
35 Tim Richmond .0703 185
36 Jim Reed .0660 106
37 Jim Paschal .0594 421
38 Kurt Busch .0584 377
39 Cotton Owens .0562 160
40 A.J. Foyt .0547 128
41 Bill Elliott .0533 826
42 Greg Biffle .0521 307
43 Neil Bonnett .0497 362
44 Mark Martin .0496 807
45 Bob Welborn .0492 183
46 Matt Kenseth .0484 413
47 Dale Jarrett .0479 668
48 Ernie Irvan .0479 313
49 Kevin Harvick .0458 371
50 Dale Earnhardt, Jr. .0437 412
VaDirt
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Apparently you have your Andy Marquis glasses on when someone talks about Busch. You keep trying to say how all his wins are in the minor leagues, yet he has more wins than three of the active drivers on your list. "Barely making the grade?" I'd say 13th on the all time win list is a little better than "barely making the grade."
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