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Agreed...You never know how many wins he will have in 5-10 years
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Agreed...You never know how many wins he will have in 5-10 years
dpkimmel2001
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Starting to see some reporting that Richard Childress penalties will be in neighborhood of $150K & one-year probation. Probably no suspension. The announcement should be later today.
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I'm only comparing Cup to cup, because that's a fair comparison. Honestly Busch is running Cup equipment in NNW and Truck. Might as well compare the New England Patriots to Michigan State if we're going that route. That is why I remain unimpressed with K.Busch minor league wins, they're just easy wins and easy money for him, that's all.
Once again, wake me up when he's in contention with Johnson (both), Gordon or Petty.
dpkimmel2001
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This just in.....
NASCAR has fined Richard Childress $150K and placed him on probation until 12-31 for his involvement in altercation.
NASCAR has fined Richard Childress $150K and placed him on probation until 12-31 for his involvement in altercation.
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SST55
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$150k is a substancial amount but it's "pocket change" for Childress. Probation till the end of the year means nothing.
VaDirt
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Still not paying attention, I see. Please look at your list AGAIN! Kyle Busch is 13th in the all time CUP WIN LIST. This does not count his "minor league" wins.
Well my comparison was for all-time wins in 3 series. As you can see he is #1 in all-time wins for active drivers in 3 series.
If we do "apples to apples" as you suggested, he's still ahead of all three of RCR's boys (two of which aren't even on your apple list).
UPDATE 4: NASCAR has fined owner Richard Childress $150,000 and placed him on NASCAR probation until Dec. 31 for violating Section 12-1 (actions detrimental to stock car racing involved in an altercation in the garage area) of the 2011 NASCAR rule book. The violation occurred following the NASCAR Camping World Truck Series race June 4 at Kansas Speedway. The probation includes all NASCAR-sanctioned events.
STATEMENT FROM NASCAR: "The penalty we have announced today for Richard Childress reflects NASCAR's response to the incident at Kansas Speedway on Saturday. We feel this action is appropriate and are confident all parties involved understand our position on this matter and will move forward appropriately."(NASCAR)
Statement from Childress: "First of all, I'm responsible for my actions, plain and simple. As you know, I am a very principled person and have a passion for what we do at Richard Childress Racing. I believe passionately in defending my race teams and my sponsor partners. In this instance, I let that passion and my emotions get the best of me. I accept the penalty NASCAR announced today and, as a company, we will now focus on this week's races at Pocono Raceway and Texas Motor Speedway."(RCR)(6-6-2011)
STATEMENT FROM NASCAR: "The penalty we have announced today for Richard Childress reflects NASCAR's response to the incident at Kansas Speedway on Saturday. We feel this action is appropriate and are confident all parties involved understand our position on this matter and will move forward appropriately."(NASCAR)
Statement from Childress: "First of all, I'm responsible for my actions, plain and simple. As you know, I am a very principled person and have a passion for what we do at Richard Childress Racing. I believe passionately in defending my race teams and my sponsor partners. In this instance, I let that passion and my emotions get the best of me. I accept the penalty NASCAR announced today and, as a company, we will now focus on this week's races at Pocono Raceway and Texas Motor Speedway."(RCR)(6-6-2011)
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Jameswnh
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I have only one issue with this, because I don't want to get too far into it and this point has already been driven home. Kyle has clearly spent more time as a Cup driver in the Nationwide and Truck Series than anyone else. Would you not agree then, that if the drivers on your list of all time/all series wins had spent more time below the top series, that they would have been able to pad their win total? That's all it comes down to. Winning all those races at such a young age is a good achievement in its own right, but I have to say it leaves something to be desired since that all time wins stat is so clearly skewed.
Well Mark Martin's first NNW series (Busch series) win was 1982, his last NNW series win was March of 2011, that's a wider span of years than Kyle Busch is old...
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Jameswnh
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I think I'm missing your argument in this? Kyle has run 305 races in the Nationwide and Truck Series and won 76, to Mark's 256 and 56. Fairly similar numbers, but Kyle has stacked all that up in a fraction of the time. It seems like that only furthers my point that Busch spends more time in the minor leagues, no? Mid 20s, and already eclipsed Mark Martin, 52, in minor league starts?
It's a pretty simple argument that racing as frequently as Kyle does in races well below his ability makes it pretty easy to pad his stats, and he's already done it more than anyone. 97 total wins is a great achievement as I said, but you have to keep in perspective.
I think it's you that is confused. Kyle Busch has only been in the Cup Series for 6 full seasons; of course he's raced in the lower series' more. He didn't get a full-time Cup ride until 2005. By 2005 Mark Martin had already been in over 600 Cup races.
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Jameswnh
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You got that right. I have no idea where you're trying to go. Fair enough if you don't want me to count Nationwide starts prior to landing a Cup ride. Take away 48 starts and 5 wins for Busch. As for your point about Martin, he's never run more than half of a Nationwide Series season, and a total of 33 races from 2004 to present.
We're at an impasse it seems, but the numbers are all on racing-reference. I'm going to bow out now, since this honestly is of little significance to me. One last note in closing, believe me, I'm not impressed by Martin's minor league achievements anymore than I am Busch. A race is a race and a win is a win, nobody will take that from them, but if you're going to start singing praises of records and whatnot, perspective is key. In my opinion anyway.
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Jtmoney
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Actually I think he and Burton on the actual all-time cup list
Whizzer
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Depends on how you define a "fan." I recognize Kyle's talent as a race car driver and did so when he first came on the scene. I did not defend his immature and wrongful actions then and do not now. I've known Richard Childress since he drove a race car and have never seen him act in such a primitive manner. Childress did act uncivilized and was definitely ill-mannered and apparently, I'm not the only one who shares that opinion. That does not make a pot meet kettle situation.
Maybe if Kyle had started the physical encounter instead of Richard, you might have a point. But the facts so far indicate Kyle did nothing to provoke Childress and even after receiving his lumps, stood tall by not retaliating. Childress cannot say that.
Painting Kyle as innocent? In what way? What did Kyle do to provoke Childress to physically attack him? In my opinion, Childress deserved everything I said about him. Fist fighting might be expected from a guy 26 years old but not a successful, mature businessman like Richard Childress. Being critical of the display by Childress through the use of a physical encounter is not ignorance.
As for Kyle, he knew better and walked away. As far as we know right now, there has been no fine, no probation and no visit to the NASCAR woodshed.
So perhaps you better rethink that when discussing who is the bigger man. The guy who made the unprovoked attack or the guy who took his limps and walked away unscathed.
I think the bigger man was Kyle Busch. He showed Childress up in more ways than one. He has been doing it on the track, and now is doing it in his personal deportment. Guess the charm school Joe Gibbs sent Kyle to is working right fine.
Great post Mr Whizzer!
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DJ Rossi
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LOL!!! Childress Whacked the Boy!! Perefect!!
$150,000 .......Hilarious!!
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DJ Rossi
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RC's worth what a Billion? 150k well worth it..
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VaDirt
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Actually, I think you're both off, especially since more than half of the argument centers around his Cup wins. Kyle is currently 30th on the all-time list of winners. And it you count only active drivers, he sits 8th. I think that pretty damn impressive given that he's only had 5 full seasons.
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I wonder if the fine was based on $50k/punch or just a flat fee? lol
I guess I'm just sick of all the candy-ass posters on this board bashing Kyle Busch at every opportunity. Bunch of whiney biotches, if you ask me.
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HoneyBadger
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Mark doesn't run 30+ races in Nationwide a year either.
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Yeah, and look they all jump on the 29 bandwagon, with the avatars
Bandwagon? Funny.
Want to see all the die-cast Kevin Harvick cars I have? Hell, ask anyone who actually sees me at the races, I'm almost always wearing a 29 shirt for four years counting now.
So what's your point? Let's compare him to Harvick then...
Nitro Dude
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Any of you guys want me to wave at your favorite team for you. I have already met about 20 teams on their way to Pocono and will probably meet another 40 or so tomorrow. Our paths cross a couple times a year. It is kinda neat to to have a caravan of nascar haulers going one way honking at us while our caravan of nhra drag race haulers are honking back.
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Yeah, and look they all jump on the 29 bandwagon, with the avatars
Been flying the 29 in my sig since I got here.
mike honcho
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Funny how you are sick of us candy-ass posters here but stand up for the biggest candy-ass driver.
Eat feces.
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chromehorn
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Wow, who says NASCAR fans aren't the biggest rednecks? I can't believe you guys are getting fired up over something that has no effect to your personal lives. If you ask me, all the drivers a pretty much candy asses these days.
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So what would happen if a fan and did that to Kyle??? We would be in jail!!!!!
It's so funny that When Kyle got his ticket people wanted the book thrown at him....Richard ASSULTS someone and it's ok.... DOUBLE STANDARDS KIDDIES
It's so funny that When Kyle got his ticket people wanted the book thrown at him....Richard ASSULTS someone and it's ok.... DOUBLE STANDARDS KIDDIES
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chromehorn
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well said.
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SlowNeasy
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for a quarter mil he should get a 6th punch free. <g>I think what Childress did was wrong and childish. That said, I would be willing to bet if he knew he was spending 50K a punch he might have went for a quarter mill.
Spike
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To be fair BobbyFord, I dont think I have ever seen anyone just randomly start bashing Kyle Busch.
racer8
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I have said it before that I believe Kyle Busch is probably the most talented driver I have seen since the late Dale Earnhardt. I totally respect his ability in a race car.
Now with that said and out of the way I believe Kyle is one of those people in life that we have all dealt with before and more than once. The type of person who gets under your skin and knows they have irked you, then as time goes on they purposley do it just to see if they can get a reaction, and when they do they keep diggin at you even if you have talked with them about backin off.at that point they know anything will set you off and sure enough they throw it out there with something that appears to be minor and you snap, and they fall down sayin what did I do, Poor me WAH WAH. What did I do???
I say make It 500k and let grandpa finish the job. I would help with the fine as I"m sure most guys in the garage area are willing to do.
Now with that said and out of the way I believe Kyle is one of those people in life that we have all dealt with before and more than once. The type of person who gets under your skin and knows they have irked you, then as time goes on they purposley do it just to see if they can get a reaction, and when they do they keep diggin at you even if you have talked with them about backin off.at that point they know anything will set you off and sure enough they throw it out there with something that appears to be minor and you snap, and they fall down sayin what did I do, Poor me WAH WAH. What did I do???
I say make It 500k and let grandpa finish the job. I would help with the fine as I"m sure most guys in the garage area are willing to do.
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DJ Rossi
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& the 150K is a taX WRITE OFF FOR rcr.LOL...
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You left out Bill Elliott!
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