I don't think the risk of losing out on 1 or 2 points from not being able to get back out on the track with a wrecked car is high enough to prevent a driver from racing hard for significantly more points. Plus, since the points for 36-40 are now the same, it is unlikely there will be much to gain anyway outside of races with massive wrecks.
I don't think the risk of losing out on 1 or 2 points from not being able to get back out on the track with a wrecked car is high enough to prevent a driver from racing hard for significantly more points. Plus, since the points for 36-40 are now the same, it is unlikely there will be much to gain anyway outside of races with massive wrecks.
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Looks to me that the old Talladega and Daytona strategy of dropping back at the start of the race and just riding around staying out of trouble for a few hundred miles might become popular again . Only not just at those two tracks.
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I personally still think that under this format we're going to see guys trying to maximize their return based on their car's capabilities more than we will see them taking risks and throwing caution to the wind. Unless this whole "save money" initiative was to tuck money away for junking race cars on a weekly basis. You're going to see more strategy played than daring attempts to pass for the lead.
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In a way its a shame we wont see this anymore
dpkimmel2001
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Nothing we haven't see in about forever in this sport.
dpkimmel2001
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Was good for a laugh or two but that's about it.In a way its a shame we wont see this anymore
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maybe it will make drivers drive with a little more respect. Doubtful joey does to Matt what he did at Kansas with the new rules
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Nope, they'll be trying to stay up front to get the segment points
Zerkfitting
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I noticed when the "Win and In" rules started that the races had a lot more aggressive driving. Now with the "Wreck and Out" rules I wonder if the racing will become more conservative. I'm guessing the TV people are hoping for more confrontations between drivers who are wrecked and the drivers who caused the wreck.
dpkimmel2001
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I don't think we'll see a thing different about the way they drive because of this new rule. Going to the garage has always meant something bad. That hasn't changed.
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I agree with the posters who mention that the Super Speedways will look different. The teams got good at quickly replacing body panels fast....and how many times did you see a car HEAVILY damaged in the lead draft?
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Skoalbandit33
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I don't ever recall people complaining about damaged cars being on track causing cautions. Revisionist history is kicking in I'm afraid.
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Skoalbandit33
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More unintended consequences.
dpkimmel2001
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Spent a lot of years on the race threads here. While I don't have particular examples, there were plenty that questioned why those cars were even out there.
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Maybe it was something discussed with regularity in the past but it has not been an issue since I have been here.
dpkimmel2001
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I don't think you participate in those thread much. I think you watch all of your races on the DVR.
Zerkfitting
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Can teams tape over a damaged panel? I don't think they ever replaced a panel, just cut it off or tape a part over the damage.
dpkimmel2001
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Yes, they can still use tape.
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Austin Dillon this past May at dega. Wrecked, had to replace a whole front end, came back and finished 3rd. Likely misses the chase entirely if not for that. Not possible now.
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Only awards points to the top 20, and they won't need gimmicks and a rule book written in pencil. Drivers will battle to stay in the top 20, damaged cars have no incentive of returning to the track, and someone multiple laps down will call it a day half way through a race. Also the whole hang in the back at talledega won't happen again.
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I clearly remember Casey Mears causing at least three cautions in one race last season. He hit the wall on the first one, then had problems repeatedly after returning to the track. Sorry, I don't remember which race. I do recall there being other times; Reed Sorenson stick in my mind for some reason.
I'm not keen on these new rules. To somebody who has worked on a car on pit road during a race (although admittedly not a Cup race) this sounds dangerous. How about tracks with small pit areas, like Martinsville? Even if nobody gets hurt, somebody's race will be impacted because another car (being worked on) blocked them and cost them track position... maybe the win... maybe crucial championship points... Plus you only get five minutes? We will see pit lane clogged with cars that would have gone straight to the garage – fixable or not – due to automatic disqualification for going to the garage, and race delays due to resulting pit road problems. And then the whole “what is mechanical damage?” that can be repaired in the garage and then return to the race. I suppose NASCAR will have to quit bragging about how many starters finished the race.
If it’s so spectators can see repairs being made, a camera feeding big screens in the infield / split box on the TV screen would be seen by more spectators than the few spectators at the track who happen to have seats with the right view. That camera feed could provide audio too (that the few spectators who might be able to see can’t hear).
If it's to "save money" LOL you can't save racers money. They will spend it elsewhere. There is too much at stake (sponsorships, TV exposure, championship purse, etc.) for racers to let any opportunity slip by. To anybody griping about R&D: if you don't do it you will be left behind fast, and soon the only way you'll make races is if you own a franchise. Even if NASCAR required cars straight out of dealer showrooms, racers would spend money to make them faster. This is the top level of racing – not Street Stocks at your local track.
I don't follow the "logic" that reusing damaged panels, rather than replacing them, would result in less debris. You're more likely to have pieces come off damaged panels than new panels. Don't like blank replacement panels? It's pretty easy to have replacement panels already wrapped to look just like the panels that get cut off. I suppose you couldn't gain an advantage by replacing an original panel with a new and better aerodynamic panel (that did not have to pass pre-race inspection).
Don't like wrecked cars returning to the race? If they can run the minimum required speed then why not? Most of these drivers are professional enough to get out of the way if they have to, and the black flag can eliminate any drivers who aren't. Earnhardt Sr.'s fans cheered when he returned after flipping his car at Daytona in 1997.
Wrecked cars out there are useless for sponsor exposure? Not true if they get any TV time, even if only by being lapped. A major price justification for sponsorship is calculated by TV exposure time translated to costs of TV advertisements. A wrecked car on the track might not give as much exposure as it did while still competitive, but cars in the garage get almost zero TV exposure.
I won't dwell on possible dirty tricks by team drivers or underfunded teams to damage competitors enough to eliminate them from contention, especially when the Chase segments come into play. But even if occurrences are unintentional, rumors and accusations will fly that will not be good for the sport.
Oh well, new rules are here and they’re everybody’s problem. Hope my pessimism is unfounded.
If it’s so spectators can see repairs being made, a camera feeding big screens in the infield / split box on the TV screen would be seen by more spectators than the few spectators at the track who happen to have seats with the right view. That camera feed could provide audio too (that the few spectators who might be able to see can’t hear).
If it's to "save money" LOL you can't save racers money. They will spend it elsewhere. There is too much at stake (sponsorships, TV exposure, championship purse, etc.) for racers to let any opportunity slip by. To anybody griping about R&D: if you don't do it you will be left behind fast, and soon the only way you'll make races is if you own a franchise. Even if NASCAR required cars straight out of dealer showrooms, racers would spend money to make them faster. This is the top level of racing – not Street Stocks at your local track.
I don't follow the "logic" that reusing damaged panels, rather than replacing them, would result in less debris. You're more likely to have pieces come off damaged panels than new panels. Don't like blank replacement panels? It's pretty easy to have replacement panels already wrapped to look just like the panels that get cut off. I suppose you couldn't gain an advantage by replacing an original panel with a new and better aerodynamic panel (that did not have to pass pre-race inspection).
Don't like wrecked cars returning to the race? If they can run the minimum required speed then why not? Most of these drivers are professional enough to get out of the way if they have to, and the black flag can eliminate any drivers who aren't. Earnhardt Sr.'s fans cheered when he returned after flipping his car at Daytona in 1997.
Wrecked cars out there are useless for sponsor exposure? Not true if they get any TV time, even if only by being lapped. A major price justification for sponsorship is calculated by TV exposure time translated to costs of TV advertisements. A wrecked car on the track might not give as much exposure as it did while still competitive, but cars in the garage get almost zero TV exposure.
I won't dwell on possible dirty tricks by team drivers or underfunded teams to damage competitors enough to eliminate them from contention, especially when the Chase segments come into play. But even if occurrences are unintentional, rumors and accusations will fly that will not be good for the sport.
Oh well, new rules are here and they’re everybody’s problem. Hope my pessimism is unfounded.
Zerkfitting
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Can the teams work on the car for 5 minutes, send it out to run a lap or two, then bring it back in for another 5 minutes? Kinda like they do during cautions to stay on the lead lap.
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I think I know why this has made many upset. It's not entirely conscious for many, but somewhere, deep in the minds of NASCAR fans, the splinter that gets agitated every time Brian France and the Race Team Alliance push through new rules that further favor the big, corporate teams, has been stoked yet again. They recognize that, like the Charter System, this will only make it harder for the microbudgets to survive. That it is indeed specifically targeted against these teams because their meager existence and inability to make gains is the most obvious on-track symptom of NASCAR's increasingly unsustainable structure.
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Does anyone know if this rule applies in the 2 lower series?
I believe it does but I will have to go check..................................... yes .. all three
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I think people will quickly realize how much easier it is to perform emergency repairs to composite body panels.
Less expensive to purchase, maintain and repair composite body panels.
I suppose with some of these new materials it would be much easier ...... some of them are damn near indestructible
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I dont see why not, if they can maintain minimum speed during the between laps.
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I honestly dont remember if the actually replaced a front end or not. Based on the link photos it looks more like a tape and patch job, verses a new or replaced front end to me.
http://www.nascar.com/en_us/news-me...-place-geico-500-talladega-superspeedway.html
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If you mean the threads where people watch the race together.....well..... they bitch about everything and you would think some of the drivers are the anti-christ lol. I have read a some of the stuff after the fact and it can actually be quite funny!!!
I am thankful for the DVR as it makes watching Nascar possible for me.
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Yeah, I had never heard any comments or complaints about the "all of a sudden it is a serious problem" thing prior to yesterday but I understand it is spoken of early and often on the thread where people watch the race and comment.
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Not for Saturn!
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Whoda thunk a sport racing sport wouldn't involve the racing of mechanics to fix vehicles for that 37th place W?
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Determination makes a winner seems to be a thing of the past...... Now.... it's race clean and avoid contact or.... ''You are outta' here''......In a way its a shame we wont see this anymore