If you wreck you are out

cheesepuffs said:
I love how almost every debate here boils down to a deflection. I make a legitimate point and instead of being a man and saying, "you're right, I had forgotten how bad the cars used to look", you just brush it off.

As far as me talking aesthetics, yes I do care, and so does apparently 90% of the rest of the forum judging by the "make the cars stock again!" posts on a near daily basis.
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I don't think there is any right or wrong with respect to the aesthetics of the cars Nascar has used as beauty is in the eye of the beholder. You may like the uglyassed, decal festooned and slab sided things they use today but I don't.
 
cheesepuffs said:
Well when GM builds the SS they aren't confined to a rulebook mandating a certain track width, a certain wheelbase, etc. So of course the proportions aren't going to be identical. When you're selling a street car it's about packaging, shoulder room, rear leg room, and on and on. The NASCAR bodies and street cars look damn close considering all that factors into it and I'm grateful that the product on track looks as close as it does.
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You need to see an optometrist poste haste if you think what is raced today looks anything like it's street namesake.
 
ChexOrWrex said:
Since 2004 NASCAR has been progressively killing organic racing drama, which is what made NASCAR fantastic to begin with.

Not even points formats, just look at the frequency of cautions for debris.



I dont believe nascar is rigged, but its certainly filled to the rim with manufactured drama.
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I agree as Brian thinks every race has to have game 7 moments.
 
ChexOrWrex said:
If you are watching nascar for the aesthetics, I guess youre happy. To be fair, the gen 4 cars produced much better racing than the gen 6. Even the COT (gen 5) out performed both in terms of racing entertainment. The gen 6 is lack luster at best. It's fool's gold.
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How many times you gonna repeat this? Untill we all agree...
 
This change will probably have a bigger effect on the points, than all the other changes combined. I don't have a problem with getting rid of the rolling chicanes, but a five minuet stop, from pit in, to pit out, leaves little time for actual repairs.
 
Acs said:
Want an example of why this rule is stupid? Go allllll the way back to this year's Kansas Chase race.

Start watching from 2:24:00


Brad K's spin through the grass after contact with the #11 rips the front bodywork off and send the car to the garage. Under 2017 rules he'd be immediately done. 78 laps to go, you'd think the 2 crew would mail it in and go home right? No way.

Because so many chase drivers had wrecked the previous week at Charlotte, Brad's wreck dropped him into an immediate tie with Harvick, Hamlin, and Dillon, all 4 right on the cut line. Additionally, previously in the race two backmarkers had parked it but McMurray had gone to the garage for 40 some odd laps and had already come back on track.

That meant it was all up to the #2 team mechanics in a race against time to get the car back on track and finish ahead of McMurray, preserving that precious point to keep them in the chase. The seasoned fan all of one season I was could immediately recognize the gravity of the situation and accordingly I was screaming at the TV. Again, none of this happens under 2017 rules.

Obviously we all know how it ended, he did get out on the track again and would have barely beat the #1 but his car couldn't hold on and it brought out the caution late. I get that point, that NASCAR doesn't want things to affect the race, but this policy goes too far the other way completely killing off these naturally occurring moments that make NASCAR so much fun.
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36th-40th all get 1 point now so we were probably going to see a lot less of this anyways, unless a lot of cars were out/off.
 
FLRacingFan said:
36th-40th all get 1 point now so we were probably going to see a lot less of this anyways, unless a lot of cars were out/off.
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Would have probably been better to see that go back to about 30th position or so.

Personally I like this rule. I also think it's entertaining watching this forum blow up every time something new is announced. Hell, Dale Jr could cure the common cold and we'd all be arguing about it today.

I wonder what today has in store for us?
 
Rules and specs are sooooo secondary to me, almost to the point where I don't give one flying
crap what they do. They - is any racing sanction. If the racing continues to appeal to all
5 of my senses, I am all in. Just me. I understand there are those completely opposite
and they base their viewership on the rules of the day and that's fine. Try and remember back
when you first saw your first live racing event and what hooked you? The rulebook?

Now if they say , we are going to mufflers this year , that would be the type of change
that would necessitate a pack of Rolaids and Goodys.
 
Yogisd1 said:
This change will probably have a bigger effect on the points, than all the other changes combined. I don't have a problem with getting rid of the rolling chicanes, but a five minuet stop, from pit in, to pit out, leaves little time for actual repairs.
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And if you're caught speeding coming to pit road for repair you lose 15 seconds off of the 5 minute clock.
 
cheesepuffs said:
... I make a legitimate point and instead of being a man and saying, "you're right, I had forgotten how bad the cars used to look", you just brush it off.
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You can't make a 'legitimate point' about things looking good or bad. That's a matter of personal taste. All viewpoints are equally (in)accurate.

Sez the guy who liked the COT's wing.
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
Would have probably been better to see that go back to about 30th position or so.

Personally I like this rule. I also think it's entertaining watching this forum blow up every time something new is announced. Hell, Dale Jr could cure the common cold and we'd all be arguing about it today.

I wonder what today has in store for us?
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I agree. They should just give points for positions 1-30. This would eliminate damaged cars from coming back out on the track and trying to improve their finishing position from 39 to 37.
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
Would have probably been better to see that go back to about 30th position or so.

Personally I like this rule. I also think it's entertaining watching this forum blow up every time something new is announced. Hell, Dale Jr could cure the common cold and we'd all be arguing about it today.

I wonder what today has in store for us?
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Jr. has ALREADY cured the common cold. His contract requires him to sit on it because it conflicts with Nationwide's pending entry into the health insurance market. It's a conspiracy, I tell you!
 
I think a better rule would be if you are multiple laps down and can not gain or lose a position then you have to retire from the race.
 
I ordered a new rule book to study up on before Daytona .............. is 6 thousand dollars a good price for shipping ?


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Now, if this rule had only applied to even numbered cars, I'd probably be complaining about it. Seeing as it applies to everyone, I don't see it as a big deal. Someone that's got a car the effed up from a wreck that will take that long to repair it isn't going to gain much of anything from getting back out there. They aren't going to be winning any stages. They aren't going to finish in the top ten of that stage. They sure as heck aren't wining the race. NASCAR doing them a favor by having them load their hauler up early and beat the post-race traffic out of there.
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
Now, if this rule had only applied to even numbered cars, I'd probably be complaining about it. Seeing as it applies to everyone, I don't see it as a big deal. Someone that's got a car the effed up from a wreck that will take that long to repair it isn't going to gain much of anything from getting back out there. They aren't going to be winning any stages. They aren't going to finish in the top ten of that stage. They sure as heck aren't wining the race. NASCAR doing them a favor by having them load their hauler up early and beat the post-race traffic out of there.
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But, but ... the points! If I can't get back out there, I can't get another two or three points if someone in front of me has trouble! And my sponsor won't get the TV time when my car invariably causes another caution!

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The thing is though, it's the same for everyone. Those points by coming back out are not going to be available to any of the drivers. They become a 'wash'.
 
Skoalbandit33 said:
As revenue streams dry up for teams I have no doubt they will be looking for ways to cut costs as the gravy train that once flowed freely is being choked off. Can you imagine what things would be like had FOX and NBC not had a collective brain cramp when signing the TV deals a few years back?
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Great point.
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
Yes, that's why I don't get the uproar over this. I guess I don't see this as being that big a deal.
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I don't either. I never liked the glued-together wrecks coming back after "extensive repairs in the garage" and then leaking parts and pieces all over the track causing more problems.
 
TexasRaceLady said:
I don't either. I never liked the glued-together wrecks coming back after "extensive repairs in the garage" and then leaking parts and pieces all over the track causing more problems.
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I just think back to past times when we've complained about them being out there possibly causing a wreck or bringing out another long delayed cleanup caution. Looks like a large step was taken yesterday to eliminate that possibility.
 
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