Gordon's Statement during the 600 is too telling

In 2020 while HMS and RCR were building their alliance and Chevy reformed their product, what were Ford and Toyota doing?
Plenty to develop what they had I suspect. See, they didn't **** up their first attempt at a new car, so they didn't think they would have to build a new one. Chevy got thrown a bone because they failed miserably....and then reaped the rewards of the parts and development freeze. I mean @StandOnIt points out that their wind tunnel numbers were horrid. He uses that as justification for the gift of a new car instead of Chevy taking their medicine. Betcha the TRD and Ford engineers knew when they approved the initial design that they had Chevy by the nuts. Truly embarrassing for the brand....and now we hear that Knaus is saving Hendrick. BS....and Gordon jumps on the bandwagon....thankful he is the hell out of the booth, but come on.
 
You are right. That is a NASCAR problem, Chevy is part of NASCAR....so is Toyota and Ford. See, they have this Next Gen car which kind of an agreement between all OEMs to manage costs in the best interest of the sport. Am I right? And before @StandOnIt goes on another rant, let's ask this question....How would all of this been received if Toyota had done this? They were accused of overspending before they had spent a dime. Why is what Chevy did so hard for Chevy fans to ingest?
I'm on a Rant? I think you have a perception problem. Nascar evened up the playing field IMO. HMS/Chevy has some outstanding drivers and personnel and IMO they have been taking it in the shorts for quite awhile. Even up driver for driver, they are as good or better than anybody out there. They are young and hungry.
 
You are right. That is a NASCAR problem, Chevy is part of NASCAR....so is Toyota and Ford. See, they have this Next Gen car which kind of an agreement between all OEMs to manage costs in the best interest of the sport. Am I right? And before @StandOnIt goes on another rant, let's ask this question....How would all of this been received if Toyota had done this? They were accused of overspending before they had spent a dime. Why is what Chevy did so hard for Chevy fans to ingest?

Maybe because this exact same thing has been going on to one degree or another since the day NASCAR stopped demanding 100% strictly stock race cars? The non-unibody unibody Fords, the Chevy Mystery Motor, the Chrysler Hemi and the Ford SOHC, NONE of which were available in production cars, the aero cars, the Monte Carlo Aerocoupe, the Taurus body made up out of thin air, the Yates cylinder heads, the SB2, a series of Grand Prix noses that bore ZERO resemblance to street cars, the list goes on and on, and MOST of us have just learned to take it in stride. Somebody gets too far ahead, and NASCAR finds a way to slap them down. Somebody gets too far behind, and NASCAR finds a way to throw them a bone. The "aggrieved party" will protest for public consumption IF they say anything at all, because they all know next year, it might be THEM needing a helping hand. This is just the way the game is played, and if it bothers you THAT much, maybe you should find a different hobby. And once and for all, can we put all of this cost savings BS in its proper perspective? Regardless what is put out for public consumption, the manufacturer's motorsports departments will spend EVERY DOLLAR they can convince the front office to cough up in an attempt to assert dominance, and as for the team owners, this really only applies to the lower level teams. Rick Hendrick, Roger Penske, Gibbs/TRD, and Gene Haas have never ONCE let a few extra dollars stand between them and a trophy. Hell, Roger Penske spent a year and MILLIONS of dollars to build an engine to win ONE race, a race he likely had a 60% chance of winning with the stuff he already had and had already won nine times before. Rick Hendrick has built an entire high class Industrial park to field FOUR race cars. As late as the late 80's, races were being won and championships were being contended for out of converted gas stations and farmer sized pole barns. That is the mentality of the people involved, and I've grown more than just a little weary of hearing about the "cost savings". All it means to me is a lot of good people will be out of work and the big teams will have more money to chase hundredths of seconds on the stopwatch instead of tenths.
 
Maybe because this exact same thing has been going on to one degree or another since the day NASCAR stopped demanding 100% strictly stock race cars? The non-unibody unibody Fords, the Chevy Mystery Motor, the Chrysler Hemi and the Ford SOHC, NONE of which were available in production cars, the aero cars, the Monte Carlo Aerocoupe, the Taurus body made up out of thin air, the Yates cylinder heads, the SB2, a series of Grand Prix noses that bore ZERO resemblance to street cars, the list goes on and on, and MOST of us have just learned to take it in stride. Somebody gets too far ahead, and NASCAR finds a way to slap them down. Somebody gets too far behind, and NASCAR finds a way to throw them a bone. The "aggrieved party" will protest for public consumption IF they say anything at all, because they all know next year, it might be THEM needing a helping hand. This is just the way the game is played, and if it bothers you THAT much, maybe you should find a different hobby. And once and for all, can we put all of this cost savings BS in its proper perspective? Regardless what is put out for public consumption, the manufacturer's motorsports departments will spend EVERY DOLLAR they can convince the front office to cough up in an attempt to assert dominance, and as for the team owners, this really only applies to the lower level teams. Rick Hendrick, Roger Penske, Gibbs/TRD, and Gene Haas have never ONCE let a few extra dollars stand between them and a trophy. Hell, Roger Penske spent a year and MILLIONS of dollars to build an engine to win ONE race, a race he likely had a 60% chance of winning with the stuff he already had and had already won nine times before. Rick Hendrick has built an entire high class Industrial park to field FOUR race cars. As late as the late 80's, races were being won and championships were being contended for out of converted gas stations and farmer sized pole barns. That is the mentality of the people involved, and I've grown more than just a little weary of hearing about the "cost savings". All it means to me is a lot of good people will be out of work and the big teams will have more money to chase hundredths of seconds on the stopwatch instead of tenths.
I love EVERYTHING you say here except the"...if it bothers you that much..." part. What I am bitching about is inline with what Chevy would bitch about when they wanted spoiler added or removed back in the day....or Ford complaining about Chevy, etc. I want my teams to win, but I love what is happening now. Chasing the benchmark is fun! I love it! I had my 19 win season, and that was awesome. This is a different kind of challenge. I freaking love this sport....and I will tell you this....My approach is a hell of a lot better than some who bitch about the rules package endlessly, etc. I didn't start a thread about what "fans" do during a 550 race. I love this sport, and I watch every lap--even when MY teams are getting their asses kicked because that will make the next 19 win season so much sweeter. Ironic we are discussing this....Pocono 2013 was such a struggle for Toyota. Every time we go there I remember how much of a bummer it was to know that MY motors had been detuned to keep them from blowing. We had no shot. I am not sure that WE have a shot this weekend, but things aren't as dire as that. Again, I see my banter the same way I remember the back and forth OEM stuff in the day. Chevy didn't like getting their asses kicked any more than Ford or Dodge did.....and I don't like it either, but that doesn't mean I am angry or hate the sport. BTW....I appreciate you pointing out the non-stock-ness of some of the OEMs from back in the day. I wonder if we can put the "Toyota never had a pushrod motor" narrative away once and for all?
 
I'm on a Rant? I think you have a perception problem. Nascar evened up the playing field IMO. HMS/Chevy has some outstanding drivers and personnel and IMO they have been taking it in the shorts for quite awhile. Even up driver for driver, they are as good or better than anybody out there. They are young and hungry.
So, I will agree with you that the drivers are equal (maybe). Then, the competition should be closer, right? If this was just a Toyota thing that would be one thing, but this is Chevy killing everybody. That is a level playing field? Come on man. Knaus is still waiting for your response to his comments. Why won't you respond?
 
So, I will agree with you that the drivers are equal (maybe). Then, the competition should be closer, right? If this was just a Toyota thing that would be one thing, but this is Chevy killing everybody. That is a level playing field? Come on man. Knaus is still waiting for your response to his comments. Why won't you respond?
I don't care if you agree with me or not frankly. I'm not the one crying. I am enjoying the heck out of the season
 
I don't care if you agree with me or not frankly. I'm not the one crying. I am enjoying the heck out of the season
Save the big ball "don't care" comment. I am crying, and I am enjoying the hell out of this season. I am constantly astonished by the perception that in order to enjoy sport, you have to win everything. I love the chase....not Chase....but the chase. If Chevy chokes this, I will remind you all winter. I will be patient with the Knaus comment. I think I have asked you to respond at least 5 times, but you won't. Telling.
 
Save the big ball "don't care" comment. I am crying, and I am enjoying the hell out of this season. I am constantly astonished by the perception that in order to enjoy sport, you have to win everything. I love the chase....not Chase....but the chase. If Chevy chokes this, I will remind you all winter. I will be patient with the Knaus comment. I think I have asked you to respond at least 5 times, but you won't. Telling.
I don't have any idea what the hell you are crying about, Chevy has a new car? so what. I know you are fairly new to the sport but this has been happening for years as Nascar tries to keep the competition healthy and as close as possible. I don't care particularly about who wins the last race. In order for me to adapt and continue to enjoy the racing, and I think they reason so many others, me included, raise hell about the playoffs is that it gets in the way of the racing some of us fans are trying to see. The endless gerbiling about "playoff implications" and the rest of the horse **** babbeling on from the gerbils while I'm trying to concentrate on the racing while they follow the last place car around the track is an endless distraction and it gives me a headache.
 
I think it’s time for a @Revman vs @StandOnIt Hell In A Cell PPV match. Special guest referee: @Formerjackman
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I don't have any idea what the hell you are crying about, Chevy has a new car? so what. I know you are fairly new to the sport but this has been happening for years as Nascar tries to keep the competition healthy and as close as possible. I don't care particularly about who wins the last race. In order for me to adapt and continue to enjoy the racing, and I think they reason so many others, me included, raise hell about the playoffs is that it gets in the way of the racing some of us fans are trying to see. The endless gerbiling about "playoff implications" and the rest of the horse **** babbeling on from the gerbils while I'm trying to concentrate on the racing while they follow the last place car around the track is an endless distraction and it gives me a headache.
I don't care about parity, but if you aren't going to have it, let the OEMs develop their stuff. This isn't a level playing field, but if you let TRD and Ford have the opportunity to catch up, that is a different deal. As it stands, Chevy has an advantage that Toyota & Ford cannot close IMO. That isn't NASCAR man, and you know it.

How the hell do you say, " Chevy has a new car? So what?".....These guys put slits in the wraps to get an aero advantage.....but to you a whole new car is insignificant. Who is new to the sport?

I couldn't give a **** about the format to crown a champion. You have already made it clear that you don't care if I agree with you, but I will go there anyway....I have Championship tickets (kick ass ones I might add), and I will be there if COVID conditions allow. If Toyota isn't in the 4, I will still go because there is still a chance WE could win a race. I don't let the gerbils or the system bother me. I don't mind the playoffs or how we crown a champion, really.

Just answer me this...Why won't you respond to Knaus' comments? You think the new car is insignificant, but he doesn't. I will go with Chad. I suspect somewhere in there is your reluctance to respond. Come on man....do something or you will be defined by your silence....but I will be here to remind you.
 
Just answer me this...Why won't you respond to Knaus' comments? You think the new car is insignificant, but he doesn't. I will go with Chad. I suspect somewhere in there is your reluctance to respond. Come on man....do something or you will be defined by your silence....but I will be here to remind you.
What in the sam hell am I supposed to say? Personally I and most of the rest of the world saw little changes to the Camaro. I in fact found an article and I posted it back a few pages about in a general way what was done to the car to make it more competitive...but still you whine. One thing about it, neither you or I know what the engineers did or didn't do to the car. My opinion like you care? The car is a bit better but the key personnel added over a long period of time, drivers, crew people and higher ups have all made a difference..It isn't all the car.
 
The fact that y’all can have this intense discussion about manufacturers and parity just makes me appreciate the fact that we have three manufacturers - which accounts for all of them - that are competitive and capable of winning every week. I’m a Chevy fan on the OEM side, so of course my enjoyment of this season is likely further fueled by their recent successes. Even so, any one out of the three manufacturers are capable of winning this upcoming weekend, and the next, and the next... They have their respective flagship teams (or two) and they happen to all carry the names of a few champions. They are all well represented across the board. These factors allow there to be tighter competition and more possible winners. Whether Chevy has a decided upper-hand or not, watching NASCAR in its current state is a lot different - and better - than watching some other forms of motorsport that I respect and love, like F1 for instance. I think NASCAR has come closer, maybe closest, to mastering the art of parity among its competitors.
 
I am thinking the RF Gordon statement that has instigated this conflict has made enough news to reach Gordon by now , and as a result he has changed careers to become the HMS executive.

Jeff may have not always cared except for always following the advisement and wisdom of the RF elders. I know it was one our greatest moments ever when we helped Jeff to regain his give a damn around 2014 and to retire from driving with strength and dignity.

We should always reflect as RF warriors and remember to carry on no matter how weary and heavy the conflict. Our work has eternal value and it has the ability to change lives.
Selah.....
 
As it stands, Chevy has an advantage that Toyota & Ford cannot close IMO. That isn't NASCAR man, and you know it.
Yes, it is NASCAR. It's always been a cat and mouse game. Somebody has too much of an aero advantage and then it goes away next year. Look at Haas, they had Harvick with 9 wins last year and then a wheelwell rule gets changed to kneecap them. Even if Chevy has some crazy aero advantage this year, which I think you're not understanding is actually their ability to run higher downforce/drag and still be fast due to their stellar engine program right now, it's all being reset next season for everybody anyway. That's how it goes. So what is all your complaining trying to accomplish here? You want NASCAR to make each Chevy team drag a 300 pound boat anchor behind the car? The field is being reset after November. Posting a novel here about how Toyota and Ford didn't spend enough money to improve their program at the end of this gen 6 car life cycle does not change anything. Chevy invested into the late stages of this car while the others did not. It's really that simple.
 
Personally I and most of the rest of the world saw little changes to the Camaro.
I know that you would like to think this is just about personal and hard work, but come on man. I will play the way others have played with me.....How did you personally see these changes. Do you work for Chevy Performance....blah, blah, blah....Given that a slit in the wrap can impact aero....How could you have possibly observed what it is that they have done with the new car? We haven't even started on the stuff you can't see. You know much better than this, 100%....and who are most of the rest of the world? Come on man. Chad ****** Knaus said they didn't carry one bolt over....Chad > @StandOnIt & MOST OF THE REST OF THE WHOLE ****** WORLD in my book. Geez.
 
Posting a novel here about how Toyota and Ford didn't spend enough money to improve their program at the end of this gen 6 car life cycle does not change anything.
Yeah, didn't say that. Thanks.
 
Yeah, didn't say that. Thanks.
You're telling us that Chevy developed a new body when the others didn't. That development costs a lot of money. Ford Performance, GM Performance, TRD... they all operate like businesses, because that's what they are. So in order for Chevy to re-tool their Cup body, they had to allocate a lot of funding toward that project in an area where Ford and Toyota did not spend as much, likely due to the fact that this generation of car is on it's last legs and thus it becomes harder for a business to justify sinking money into something that is quickly going obsolete.
 
Yeah, didn't say that. Thanks.
The thing I keep coming back to is that for the last however many years you have slammed Chevy, for their old way of doing things, lack of commitment and general incompetence compared to the almighty Toyota, an then they finally get their **** together for awhile, and now you are all pissy about it. What EXACTLY do you want? Do you want Chevy to be a worthy competitor that raises the bar from time to time, or do you want them to be a perennial doormat? As a Chevy guy, I've seen a Toyota that couldn't find their ass with an anatomy textbook, and I've see a Toyota that CRUSHED the competition. When they sucked I just sat back and enjoyed it, and when they dominate, my reaction is that my guys need to up their game. I just can't figure out what you are all bent out of shape about.
 
The thing I keep coming back to is that for the last however many years you have slammed Chevy, for their old way of doing things, lack of commitment and general incompetence compared to the almighty Toyota, an then they finally get their **** together for awhile, and now you are all pissy about it. What EXACTLY do you want? Do you want Chevy to be a worthy competitor that raises the bar from time to time, or do you want them to be a perennial doormat? As a Chevy guy, I've seen a Toyota that couldn't find their ass with an anatomy textbook, and I've see a Toyota that CRUSHED the competition. When they sucked I just sat back and enjoyed it, and when they dominate, my reaction is that my guys need to up their game. I just can't figure out what you are all bent out of shape about.
A new car. That is what is different. Everybody builds a new car for one year, and we are looking like F1 excess, and nobody wants to go there. Chevy should have just took their medicine for building a piece of **** in '18.....and at the very least, Toyota and Ford should be able to fight back. So, EXACTLY what I want is NASCAR to open things for development. up so this doesn't become a complete joke. What I want is Chevy to build a car to the same rules package as its competitors. Is Chevy's **** really together? A huge advantage with the new car......and we all know that. Why is this so hard to acknowledge? I really don't get it.

Let me add another thing....Do you remember the **** I listened to in '19 when Toyota was crushing everybody? Where is that now? Where? Do you see the same bias I do? I mean come on....If I am going to listen to Bondo this and Bondo that, then isn't it fair to remind everybody of the insane advantage Chevy has? BTW....this is not the year to measure Chevy's reorganization. Next year will be very, very interesting, however.
 
Dont expect much change the rest of the the year. NASCAR has activated the "no new parts rule" for the rest of 2021 so you've got what you've got.
Thank you! Hell, I have been working my ass off to get people to understand this! Chevy has the advantage, and Toyota and Ford are neutered. Doesn't mean WE won't fight though. Miracles can happen, and I will watch every ****** lap waiting for that miracle.
 
You're telling us that Chevy developed a new body when the others didn't. That development costs a lot of money. Ford Performance, GM Performance, TRD... they all operate like businesses, because that's what they are. So in order for Chevy to re-tool their Cup body, they had to allocate a lot of funding toward that project in an area where Ford and Toyota did not spend as much, likely due to the fact that this generation of car is on it's last legs and thus it becomes harder for a business to justify sinking money into something that is quickly going obsolete.
You continue to use the building of a new car as an indicator of Chevy's commitment. You do realize that I have listened to assertions that Toyota has ruined the sport by overspending since 2007, right? I am sure that the Toyota started all of this narrative is forthcoming. Go ahead, I'm ready.

Geez....Didn't realize that the Chevy guys were so sensitive. Brand new car when a slit in the wrap helps. Get your head around that. Have faith though, @StandOnIt and several around the world cannot detect anything but minor changes. Does anybody remember the poor SOB who got hammered for weeks for suggesting that his trained eye detected something on the cars? Can't even remember what his point was, but this place was brutal on that guy.
 
Funny

HMS, and especially Larson, werent this dominant early in the season. They won a race and had some speed, but nothing like now.

Theres a parts and R&D freeze, and all of HMS has stepped up to be dominant.

No new parts and no new R&D, but things swayed in their favor. They obviously found something within the box everyone is put in.

Theres no reason that JGR, SHR, RCR or anyone else can’t stumble upon the same or similar adjustments to improve performance.

Acting like seasons are wrapped up by July is foolish.
 
Funny

HMS, and especially Larson, werent this dominant early in the season. They won a race and had some speed, but nothing like now.

Theres a parts and R&D freeze, and all of HMS has stepped up to be dominant.

No new parts and no new R&D, but things swayed in their favor. They obviously found something within the box everyone is put in.

Theres no reason that JGR, SHR, RCR or anyone else can’t stumble upon the same or similar adjustments to improve performance.

Acting like seasons are wrapped up by July is foolish.
Stunned by this. Truly. Larson has been fast all year. I called him the target before this tear. You haven't been paying attention. For the life of me, I simply cannot understand how you would consider everybody in the same box when Chevy's box is so drastically different. They built this car around this rules package. Toyota and Ford did not. Come on man. What they found was their new ****** car...and even then, it took them a year to find what they were looking for....a year they would have never had without COVID.

Nobody ever said that the season was finished, but to ignore what the challenge is would be the definition of foolish. All of the pressure on Chevy. They blow this, and I would consider it monumentally embarrassing.
 
Chevy didn't do anything that NASCAR didn't allow them to, and I am quite sure Ford and Toyota could have too,
Yes and No, No

Gordon's statement during the race alluded to the Chevy's getting a bone, since they were having their lunch handed to them by both Ford and Toyota for five years (even though that is statistically untrue, unless you think the end of last year was an anomaly"
 
As late as the late 80's, races were being won and championships were being contended for out of converted gas stations and farmer sized pole barns.
You're gonna miss these days...they go by too fast....

Last one was Alan Kulwicki, and he had already upgraded to a permanent building. Unfortunately, it was just a year and half old when he met his demise.

By the way, believe that was the last championship won with a car that the body (hood, A pillar, B pillar, C pillar, doors, and trunk lid, along with the grill area above the bumper) actually fit stock templates. GM was already starting the twisted sister look.
 
Yes and No, No

Gordon's statement during the race alluded to the Chevy's getting a bone, since they were having their lunch handed to them by both Ford and Toyota for five years (even though that is statistically untrue, unless you think the end of last year was an anomaly"
Thanks man. Let me get you a beer. It's lonely over here in Fact Land. A land far different from the one where @StandOnIt and most of the rest of the world can detect only minor changes in race cars completely rebuilt from the ground up. Gordon forgot the 13 year run Chevy went on didn't he?
 
Acting like seasons are wrapped up by July is foolish.
Call me foolish...unless NASCAR does something to level the playing field, which I doubt, their "golden boy" is moving to become Vice Chairman of the felon's team.
 
Call me foolish...unless NASCAR does something to level the playing field, which I doubt, their "golden boy" is moving to become Vice Chairman of the felon's team.
Uh oh. This is a sensitive issue @OldTimer.....Just gonna take a break and watch the action from this corner over here.....
 
Gordon forgot the 13 year run Chevy went on didn't he?
Not really, his belief is that is the way it was supposed to be for all time.

Keep in mind, from the late '60's starting in the bull pens around the country through the mid eighties, the bow tie crowd became indoctrinated...that evolved into what I see as a sense of entitlement by the following generation. The generation Gordon belongs to and some of those still behind the wheel. They feel GM has the right to have a special consideration.
 
Thanks man. Let me get you a beer. It's lonely over here in Fact Land. A land far different from the one where @StandOnIt and most of the rest of the world can detect only minor changes in race cars completely rebuilt from the ground up. Gordon forgot the 13 year run Chevy went on didn't he?
In my world, and the world of thermodynamics, all it takes is a minor change to the aero numbers to change things up (see Toyota loses it's bondo, and SHR loses it's wheelhouse profiles). As aero increases on the square compared to horsepower it is where the most gains can happen with a sleight reduction in drag. Fords were dogs years ago when they used an original plastic grill insert used on their showroom models when fans were calling for cars to look like the showroom models. That might have been a brilliant idea in the boardroom and a big selling point, but on the track it failed miserably. Nascar let them take out the grill and smooth up the front end so the Fords could be more competitive. The GM Camaros did a similar thing with the hood that came to a point with the same results. Toyota is unburdened with any of that as there aren't any two door Canaries.
 
In my world, and the world of thermodynamics, all it takes is a minor change to the aero numbers to change things up (see Toyota loses it's bondo, and SHR loses it's wheelhouse profiles). As aero increases on the square compared to horsepower it is where the most gains can happen with a sleight reduction in drag. Fords were dogs years ago when they used an original plastic grill insert used on their showroom models when fans were calling for cars to look like the showroom models. That might have been a brilliant idea in the boardroom and a big selling point, but on the track it failed miserably. Nascar let them take out the grill and smooth up the front end so the Fords could be more competitive. The GM Camaros did a similar thing with the hood that came to a point with the same results. Toyota is unburdened with any of that as there aren't any two door Canaries.
No question, so if a small change can do all of that, imagine what a whole new car could mean? Finally.
 
You continue to use the building of a new car as an indicator of Chevy's commitment. You do realize that I have listened to assertions that Toyota has ruined the sport by overspending since 2007, right? I am sure that the Toyota started all of this narrative is forthcoming. Go ahead, I'm ready.

As I noted in a previous post, the aggressor in any conflict sets the rules. Toyota and their money and their approach did just that. Chevy is just now learning how to effectively respond to the new reality. Yes, they got a new body because the old one sucked. If they managed to improve it beyond what Ford and Toyota had and were able to get it approved (which is pure speculation, NONE of use here have seen the real numbers) than good for Chevy and not so good for NASCAR. My personal thought is that perhaps the bodywork did what it was supposed to do and put Chevy back on equal footing, and the other changes are what pushed them ahead. It's also possible that the new Chevy body was somewhat designed based on the bogus data out there from the "massaged" Fords and Toyota's, and once they had to go back to being more legal, the Chevy might have a leg up. (Not saying this happened, just throwing it out there). Hell, who knows, the current Chevy might be cheated up and NASCAR might slap them back down to earth any day, just like they did SHR. Regardless, I'd be willing to bet in three months we will be saying "what happened to that Chevy domination thing?
 
Not really, his belief is that is the way it was supposed to be for all time.

Keep in mind, from the late '60's starting in the bull pens around the country through the mid eighties, the bow tie crowd became indoctrinated...that evolved into what I see as a sense of entitlement by the following generation. The generation Gordon belongs to and some of those still behind the wheel. They feel GM has the right to have a special consideration.

No, it's just been that Chevy is just superior and they they have the best teams and drivers, so it's an anomaly when they DON"T win, and MUST mean someone else is cheating or or they were able to gain some temporary unfair advantage....... Tongue planted FIRMLY in my cheek. :XXROFL:
 
Rev, I would also caution you not to read too much into what people like Gordon and Knaus have said. There are LOTS of reasons people say stuff like that to national audiences and sometimes the actual truth is the LEAST of the reasons. Like politicians and the media, I automatically assume racing people are either lying their ass off or only giving me half the story, and then I work back from there. What if the REAL difference is somewhere else in the car, and all of the focus on the new body is just a cover to throw NASCAR and the other teams off the scent?
 
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