Hate to say I told you so.........

Old 97 said:
Read it again.
Maybe I should have highlighted the "so far" part and the "see how this situation unfolds in the coming weeks" part.
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It would appear the highlighting would have helped me for sure. I think you might always have some calamity with these wheels just like you had a few with the old ones, but I would bet it’s not going to be chaos like some on here suggested with the change to single lug.
 
sdj said:
Yes, but, they still have double wishbone front suspension, truck arms and a solid one piece rear axle.
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I'm out in my shop designing a retrofit kit for the Gen 7. Won't have truck arms, be a 3 link, but the 9" is coming back! Getting the transmission in that skinny tunnel is gonna require some work with a Sawzall. Adapters for the hubs to put 5 lug wheels on. Probably similar to wide 5. And a track bar!!!

Might take a week or so.
 
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KTMLew01 said:
I'm out in my shop designing a retrofit kit for the Gen 7. Won't have truck arms, be a 3 link, but the 9" is coming back! Getting the transmission in that skinny tunnel is gonna require some work with a Sawzall. Adapters for the hubs to put 5 lug wheels on. Probably similar to wide 5. And a track bar!!!

Might take a week or so.
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You should get with the jackman on that.
 
Old 97 said:
Other than the bodies, I don't think any of us have enough information to consider this a "truth".
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Bodies? I know the bodies that tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.
 
StandOnIt said:
If you can count to zero, that is the number of tires that were cut down because of side by side contact with the new body.
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If you can count 2 comments up, you will see where I said that the bodies were the only proven part of the crate car.
 
Old 97 said:
If you can count 2 comments up, you will see where I said that the bodies were the only proven part of the crate car.
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Oh I understand crawfishing from the conspiracy theory of them "feeding us a line" regarding how the car was sturdier to the crawfish of oh yeah the body is stronger.
 
StandOnIt said:
Oh I understand crawfishing from the conspiracy theory of them "feeding us a line" regarding how the car was sturdier to the crawfish of oh yeah the body is stronger.
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That's a funny way to say "Sorry. You are right again."
 
Just thought I’d check in with this thread( the I told ya so crew) after a few stellar weeks of racing with the new car. Man it sure is quiet in here.
 
StandOnIt said:
I think one of them is still chewing on the line he was fed lol.
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Let me expound for you. (that means "'splain it")
The question was about durability. Not the actual racing product.
The line we were fed was that the new cars are more durable.
I will reiterate. (that means "say it again')
Other than the bodies, the new cars are not more durable and in fact in some instances appear more fragile.
 
Old 97 said:
Let me expound for you. (that means "'splain it")
The question was about durability. Not the actual racing product.
The line we were fed was that the new cars are more durable.
I will reiterate. (that means "say it again')
Other than the bodies, the new cars are not more durable and in fact in some instances appear more fragile.
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I beg to differ. There were many instances that some fellas were side by side and they rubbed. In year's past especially last year, the parties that were involved would get cut tires, have to pit...or worse. I believe Clint even pointed this out last week. You also had a problem when you hit the wall trying to run the high groove and if you touched the wall, more times than not it wouldnt end well. A case example yesterday was Larson touched the well, ran up against it and almost won the race. I also seem to believe the teams have just about figured out the new lug nut as to my recollection we havent had any wheels fall off like we did at Daytona.
 
Snappy D said:
I beg to differ. There were many instances that some fellas were side by side and they rubbed. In year's past especially last year, the parties that were involved would get cut tires, have to pit...or worse. I believe Clint even pointed this out last week. You also had a problem when you hit the wall trying to run the high groove and if you touched the wall, more times than not it wouldnt end well. A case example yesterday was Larson touched the well, ran up against it and almost won the race. I also seem to believe the teams have just about figured out the new lug nut as to my recollection we havent had any wheels fall off like we did at Daytona.
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All of these examples relate directly to the proven durability of the bodies and the way the bodies maintain shape and lack sharp edges.
Changes were made in the tolerances of the wheel to hub marriage.
More changes are likely to come in other areas as well.
Durability will most likely increase but the Next Gen cars of today are a far cry from the "more durable" moniker.
 
Old 97 said:
Let me expound for you. (that means "'splain it")
The question was about durability. Not the actual racing product.
The line we were fed was that the new cars are more durable.
I will reiterate. (that means "say it again')
Other than the bodies, the new cars are not more durable and in fact in some instances appear more fragile.
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Are you talking about the brand new car or the car they had 60 years to work on?
 
Old 97 said:
All of these examples relate directly to the proven durability of the bodies and the way the bodies maintain shape and lack sharp edges.
Changes were made in the tolerances of the wheel to hub marriage.
More changes are likely to come in other areas as well.
Durability will most likely increase but the Next Gen cars of today are a far cry from the "more durable" moniker.
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I'm sure there's a metric out there that can measure durability I'm just going off what I have seen the past 3 weeks. I guess my question is what are you looking for in this argument? Are you trying to say the cars of yesteryear are more durable than the new cars we have now? Are you comparing durability of current mechanical components to past cars? Are you comparing the bodies of the cars?
 
Snappy D said:
I'm sure there's a metric out there that can measure durability I'm just going off what I have seen the past 3 weeks. I guess my question is what are you looking for in this argument? Are you trying to say the cars of yesteryear are more durable than the new cars we have now? Are you comparing durability of current mechanical components to past cars? Are you comparing the bodies of the cars?
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That continues to change daily lol.
 
Snappy D said:
I'm sure there's a metric out there that can measure durability I'm just going off what I have seen the past 3 weeks. I guess my question is what are you looking for in this argument? Are you trying to say the cars of yesteryear are more durable than the new cars we have now? Are you comparing durability of current mechanical components to past cars? Are you comparing the bodies of the cars?
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No argument.
Thinking of the car as a whole.
I said before that the line we were fed was that the cars were more durable.
I also said only the bodies have proven to be more durable at this point.
@StandOnIt that has not changed, LOL
 
Spotter22 said:
Are you talking about the brand new car or the car they had 60 years to work on?
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The Next Gen car was the one in question when the original reply was made.
Scroll up if you care to.
 
Old 97 said:
The Next Gen car was the one in question when the original reply was made.
Scroll up if you care to.
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It was a rhetorical question. This car is fine and nobody "fed you a line".
 
Old 97 said:
No argument.
Thinking of the car as a whole.
I said before that the line we were fed was that the cars were more durable.
I also said only the bodies have proven to be more durable at this point.
@StandOnIt that has not changed, LOL
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Bud you don't believe the cars aren't more durable and you were fed a line. I say keep chewing lol.
 
Who fed us a line? I dont remember NASCAR actually ever coming out to say anything about durability honestly. Maybe I missed it but I DO remember saying that one of the advantages of the new car was the cost savings for the teams. That was a big thing that NASCAR came out and said why they were doing this new car. I dont remember durability ever being mentioned.
 
Snappy D said:
Who fed us a line? I dont remember NASCAR actually ever coming out to say anything about durability honestly. Maybe I missed it but I DO remember saying that one of the advantages of the new car was the cost savings for the teams. That was a big thing that NASCAR came out and said why they were doing this new car. I dont remember durability ever being mentioned.
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It was assumed that the body because of the Xfinity example that the cup cars would be more durable, and they are. Subtle changes like pulling the tires inside the fenders, and flushing up the tire cutter exhaust pipes helps also. Tire cuts by contact are almost non existent and the car can take a pretty good slap in the wall and keep going just like the Xfinities can.
 
Well, we're up to FOUR cars that have lost wheels in races, and it's not even April yet............ Praying that one doesn't end up in a populated area.
 
Formerjackman said:
Well, we're up to FOUR cars that have lost wheels in races, and it's not even April yet............ Praying that one doesn't end up in a populated area.
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He’s back !
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Spotter22 said:
Wheels are coming off because they arent getting them tight.
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Yep and they will keep revising them for the better. From what I have read, the cars being unable to move with flats was because they weren't running enough air pressure. So it looks like they had a choice, get a flat or two and go laps down because you need to be towed, or air them up and the chances are much better that you can make the pits.
 
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