Bubba Wallace Penalty Predictions

What will he get?

  • 3 race 200k or more fine

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • 2 race 200k or more fine

    Votes: 3 8.6%

  • 1 race 200k or more fine

    Votes: 10 28.6%

  • fine only over 200k and Probation

    Votes: 7 20.0%

  • fine only under 200k and Slap on the wrist Probation

    Votes: 11 31.4%

  • Nascar won't do anything and act like it never happened.

    Votes: 5 14.3%
  • Total voters
    35
  • Poll closed .
Allenbaba said:
For all we know, if he is in fact suspended, that might be the reason they give. Which would at least be more consistent with all the other blockhead moves on track that didn't get suspended.
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I wouldnt want to be the person or persons handing out this discipline today. Future Precedent could be set and the "whataboutism" is going to be out in full view. Not a job I want.
 
Whatever penalty they give him I don't think they need to break it down to the move, pushing an official........All they need to say is his actions during Sundays race led us to this penalty

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AndyMarquisLive said:
My only issue with a suspension is how much NASCAR's let stuff like this slide in the past.

"This car is more dangerous" isn't grounds for suspension.

NASCAR needs to penalize the ACTION, not the RESULT. Which is my entire problem with much of what NASCAR's done. The penalties are based on who, and other circumstances.

No matter what, NASCAR's in a no-win situation here. But they put themselves in this position with the stuff they've let slide all year.
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I've been watching since the old ABC tape delayed days and I don't think I've ever seen a driver wreck someone who never touched him, that's the thing here Larson didn't touch him, he wrecked himself, there was no reason for any retaliation whatsoever, and then lie about it in the interview. Without question this was one of the bizarre incidents I've ever seen.
 
Allenbaba said:
Totally agree. Just make it black and white. If you intentionally go after someone, you're screwed. Nothing else surrounding it matters. Like, even if Larson had figured out a way to right his car after contact...doesn't matter. Same penalty.
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I understand wanting consistency and defined rules, but I just think context matters too much to paint everything with a broad brush because there are different degrees to each violation. Not all offenses should be considered equal. When Hamlin punted Elliott out of the lead at Martinsville, clearly it was intentional, but I don't think that deserved a penalty/suspension. Elliott retaliated at Phoenix, and all was fair at that point. No harm, no foul, it was over and done with. The drivers USUALLY do a good job of policing themselves and taking justice into their own hands. What goes around comes around, boys have at it and all that. For the most part, it has worked for decades and NASCAR loves every bit of the drama.

Obviously when you have a situation like Bubba/Larson, or Edwards/Kez, or Gordon/Bowyer, or Kenseth/Logano, there has to be some kind of punishment from the sanctioning body. But it should be up to NASCAR to use their best judgment to determine what deserves a penalty and what shouldn't. Also, it shouldn't matter if a driver admits something was intentional, or plays dumb and lies about it. All you need to decide intent is a little common sense and review the telemetry if necessary.
 
Dwayne said:
I've been watching since the old ABC tape delayed days and I don't think I've ever seen a driver wreck someone who never touched him, that's the thing here Larson didn't touch him, he wrecked himself, there was no reason for any retaliation whatsoever, and then lie about it in the interview. Without question this was one of the bizarre incidents I've ever seen.
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You don't see it that way in the car. It doesn't help the perception when Larson's actually caused multiple wrecks this year by squeezing people like that. He did it to someone at Los Angeles, he's done it to Chase Elliott multiple times.
 
Allenbaba said:
At some point NASCAR needs to set a precedent that ALL intentional contact stops, or else (blank). Doesn't matter the circumstance. Take all subjectivity out of the equation and make it black and white.
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Deliberately taking someone out is a lot different than a little rubbin' or a pure accident. If you discipline the drivers for incidental contact or accidents, that will kill the racing. Let them race and maybe beat and bang a little, but this incident was pretty clearly a road rage take out and should be treated as such.

We may never know for sure, but Nascar will once they examine the steering for themselves. We may never know, but Nascar will. They can spin that part any way they want to, and no one is in a position to challlenge that. I'm thinking Nascar will let this part go away.

Since no one was hurt, of bigger issue to me is the illegal assault we saw. You have both vehicular assault and physical assault. I've also read he shoved an official around too. You just can't have that sort of thing. Racecars wreck and you can't legislate that out, but you can punish people for outright assault.
 
I think it's REALLY clear when something is deliberate vs hard racing (even irresponsible hard racing). I don't mind treating all deliberate contact equally, no matter the context. At the very least it will force retaliation to take the form of something that at least resembles hard racing. I would find that more entertaining.
 
Doc Austin said:
Deliberately taking someone out is a lot different than a little rubbin' or a pure accident. If you discipline the drivers for incidental contact or accidents, that will kill the racing. Let them race and maybe beat and bang a little, but this incident was pretty clearly a road rage take out and should be treated as such.

We may never know for sure, but Nascar will once they examine the steering for themselves. We may never know, but Nascar will. They can spin that part any way they want to, and no one is in a position to challlenge that. I'm thinking Nascar will let this part go away.

Since no one was hurt, of bigger issue to me is the illegal assault we saw. You have both vehicular assault and physical assault. I've also read he shoved an official around too. You just can't have that sort of thing. Racecars wreck and you can't legislate that out, but you can punish people for outright assault.
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Why would they examine the steering assembly?
 
acmerocket said:
really? :owquitit:so that is what you got out of this? i was saying that they should be watching out for each other.
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No, I was just being a smartass.

Yes, they should be watching out for each other. Today's drivers never saw one of their friends burn to death. The way these cars have been catching fire that's something to think about. The concussions are something to think about too. Nascar should not even be racing until they figure out how to make the cars as safe as they were last year. How do you spend all that money and come up with a car no one likes and is more dangerous?

This is not a blood sport, but it is devolving into one. Formula One had the same problem with the drivers racing like a pack of little Satans. They have cleaned all of that up this year and the racing is better then, well, almost forever.
 
Doc Austin said:
Bubba claims the first impact destroyed his steering and could not miss Larson. Nascar has Bubba's car at their technology center, so they will know for sure.
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They already have it ... along with the throttle position trace.

Wallace lied. That’s why I asked. 😇
 
aunty dive said:
They already have it ... along with the throttle position trace.

Wallace lied. That’s why I asked. 😇
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As far as the throttle trace, if your steering is broken why not lift off the pedal and maybe brake a little so you don't cause a bigger accident? I find that part inexcusable. Maybe he will claim the throttle stuck. The excuses will probably never stop.

We have not seen the car, have we? I'm pretty sure he lied, but I have no way to know for sure until Nascar releases their findings. Even then, Nascart might lie too just to protect the guy.

I'm willing to wait and see what they find. If the steering still works, Wallace had better have another excuse ready.
 
wi_racefan said:
Whatever penalty they give him I don't think they need to break it down to the move, pushing an official........All they need to say is his actions during Sundays race led us to this penalty

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I disagree. Pushing an official needs to be clearly stated as unacceptable under any circumstance
 
Broken steering my ass, lol. If it is in fact broken, it’s a result of his clobbering Larson, not from the kiss to the wall.

Speaking of that, the kiss to the wall, not sure about the rest of you all, but every time I’ve seen drivers do that they all just matt it to the inside. He was just trying to get to pit road asap.
 
How many people surfing the internet just to see when Nascar announces their ruling penalties etc.....
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
My only issue with a suspension is how much NASCAR's let stuff like this slide in the past.

"This car is more dangerous" isn't grounds for suspension.

NASCAR needs to penalize the ACTION, not the RESULT. Which is my entire problem with much of what NASCAR's done. The penalties are based on who, and other circumstances.

No matter what, NASCAR's in a no-win situation here. But they put themselves in this position with the stuff they've let slide all year.
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Agreed 100% on your action comment. The NHL was mind numbingly infuriating how they meted out supplemental discipline. The action was given little thought, only the result.

E.g. a guy would take a two handed swing around a another’s head, barely clip him - not hurt, and usually a small fine.

Another accidentally kabongs a dude, hurts him, and it’s games of suspension.

They guy taking the deliberate swing, even though missing the mark, should have been warming the BarcaLoungers in the press box for a bit.
 
No Money?.......No points?

One race.

Pathetic.

Hopefully more to come.
 
None of the above lol

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Seems like penalties are more harsh for loose wheels, missing lug nuts, etc. than they are for putting a guy in the fence at speed…

“…In addition, #18-Kyle Busch’s Crew Chief, Ben Beshore, and crew members Derrell Edwards and Miachel Hicks have been suspended from the
next four events (through the 2023 Clash) for the loss of a tire during the race.

Furthermore, $54-Ty Gibbs’ crew chief Chris Gayle has been find $5,000 for a loose lugnut following the Xfinity Series race and #51-Jeremy Clements’ crew chief Mark Setzer has been suspended from the Xfinity race at Homestead. The team has also been assessed with the loss of 40 owner points and 40 driver points for the modification of a body part…”
 
Good call IMO. As discussed on here, it’s one thing to move a guy or intentionally hit at a short track, it’s quite another to hook at speed through the tri-oval in such a blatant way that you changed your line
 
One race suspension sounds fair to me, give him time to really think and hopefully come back with a cooler head on his shoulders. Lack of a fine or points penalty is surprising though.
 
Isn't a race suspension a fine? ... I assume he usually gets paid for doing a race or is he on an annual salary where missing races doesn't matter.
 
One race suspension is fine with me. The totality of the actions merit it, and Bubba can earn back some good faith by not appealing and accepting it.

That said, NASCAR needs to start penalizing ACTIONS and cracking down on dirty driving.
 
This discipline is a joke . Like someone else said, how do you justify 4 race suspensions for losing a tire????
 
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