College football 2023

AndyMarquisLive said:
Even with the expansion, it would be better for schools to just schedule against high school level opponents to go undefeated than actually take on good teams.

And that’s probably what will happen.

Everyone ready for the days of Alabama beating community colleges 65-3 again?
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With realignment, expansion, and elimination of divisions this should really be the end of it though. Next year Alabama plays both Georgia and Oklahoma in conference play, Georgia plays at both Alabama and Texas, Michigan plays an absolute gauntlet in the new B1G, etc. I’d still expect the committee to lean heavily towards the SEC and B1G for at-large bids but five conference champions will be guaranteed in. It pushes the arguments to the margins where anyone excluded has a much worse argument than now.
 
FLRacingFan said:
With realignment, expansion, and elimination of divisions this should really be the end of it though. Next year Alabama plays both Georgia and Oklahoma in conference play, Georgia plays at both Alabama and Texas, Michigan plays an absolute gauntlet in the new B1G, etc. I’d still expect the committee to lean heavily towards the SEC and B1G for at-large bids but five conference champions will be guaranteed in. It pushes the arguments to the margins where anyone excluded has a much worse argument than now.
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But, if this was the expanded playoff, Liberty would get in and SMU would be left out because Liberty had the easiest schedule.

So, there is more benefit to cupcake scheduling.
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
But, if this was the expanded playoff, Liberty would get in and SMU would be left out because Liberty had the easiest schedule.

So, there is more benefit to cupcake scheduling.
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It’s definitely worse for the lone G5 bid because there’s 60+ teams gunning for one spot rather than for eleven. I think that selection is honestly absurd and sets a horrible precedent. Liberty doesn’t play a single P4 until 2027.
 
ToyYoda said:
At least in 2004 Auburn was snubbed for two other undefeated teams.
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True true, I think eye test we're getting the 4 best teams with coupled accomplishment, someone was going to get shafted by the committee they were backed into a corner. So it is what is to me at this point, I just look forward to the games. I am glad Texas got in tho.
 
Turtle84 said:
True true, I think eye test we're getting the 4 best teams with coupled accomplishment, someone was going to get shafted by the committee they were backed into a corner. So it is what is to me at this point, I just look forward to the games. I am glad Texas got in tho.
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Man, I feel the same way. I think FSU got robbed, but like I said last night, three historic bluebloods and Washington in the two most historic bowls is going to feed families. The Cotton, Peach, and especially Orange are also all really intriguing, and Liberty finally has to prove itself against a real team in the Fiesta. These are gonna be some fantastic matchups I think.
 
Paul Finebaum this morning….

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The committee has said for years they will pick the four "best" teams, not necessarily the most deserving. And everyone knows FSU is not one of the best teams without Jordan Travis. Them's the breaks
 
2 Sweet said:
The committee has said for years they will pick the four "best" teams, not necessarily the most deserving. And everyone knows FSU is not one of the best teams without Jordan Travis. Them's the breaks
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In reality they have almost always picked the most deserving and what goes into “best” varies from year to year, week to week, and even from rank to rank in the same week. There is zero logical consistency and that is the crux of the issue. They picked Liberty over SMU because they “just kept winning”. And if you were to go strictly off of what a number of predictive metrics say (including a couple of ESPN’s own), the only CFP team that’s actually one of the “best” four teams is Michigan!
 
FLRacingFan said:
In reality they have almost always picked the most deserving and what goes into “best” varies from year to year, week to week, and even from rank to rank in the same week. There is zero logical consistency and that is the crux of the issue. They picked Liberty over SMU because they “just kept winning”. And if you were to go strictly off of what a number of predictive metrics say (including a couple of ESPN’s own), the only CFP team that’s actually one of the “best” four teams is Michigan!
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Luckily, this is the last year we have to worry about this nonsense 4-team playoff. Next year when someone is upset about getting snubbed for the 12th spot, nobody will care.

FLRacingFan said:
NFL Sunday
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Ah, of course. Good news then. Thank you for pointing that out
 
The first FCS semifinal was a bigger blowout than the Georgia/TCU natty from last year. I don’t think it’s crazy to say SDSU would be a fringe top 25 team at the FBS level this season. Will play NDSU or Montana.

 
NDSU/Montana playing another fantastic OT duel. Washington-Grizzly Stadium is on the bucket list, beautiful setting.
 
Instead of having the Yankee Bowl & Fenway Bowl. They should do them in Puerto Rico or Guam or US Virgin Islands and make it a cool experience for a vacation, teams, fans, players.

A baseball stadium in the cold? Nah.
 
racingfan7 said:
Instead of having the Yankee Bowl & Fenway Bowl. They should do them in Puerto Rico or Guam or US Virgin Islands and make it a cool experience for a vacation, teams, fans, players.

A baseball stadium in the cold? Nah.
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Football was invented and grew in the Northeast and Upper Midwest. Football is meant to be played in the chill of the fall and the cold of the winter. Fenway Park and Yankee Stadium are ****** football venues though. I would do a Bowl at Gillette and MetLife to reach those markets.
 
racingfan7 said:
Instead of having the Yankee Bowl & Fenway Bowl. They should do them in Puerto Rico or Guam or US Virgin Islands and make it a cool experience for a vacation, teams, fans, players.

A baseball stadium in the cold? Nah.
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The Bahamas Bowl stadium is undergoing renovations and will move back from Charlotte next year.

The Nature Boy said:
Football was invented and grew in the Northeast and Upper Midwest. Football is meant to be played in the chill of the fall and the cold of the winter. Fenway Park and Yankee Stadium are ****** football venues though. I would do a Bowl at Gillette and MetLife to reach those markets.
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Bowls are supposed to be fun vacation trips for fans and players and I’d rather stay in Boston proper and play in a historic or famous stadium, even though I think football games in baseball stadiums are generally dumb. Isn’t Gillette like an hour away from Boston? MetLife absolutely sucks. There couldn’t be a more dull football stadium and attendance would look even more cavernous in either that or Gillette.

The Gasparilla Bowl has been much a much bigger success since moving to Tampa from St. Pete. That was a case where it was further away from population centers and in a **** stadium.
 
FLRacingFan said:
Isn’t Gillette like an hour away from Boston?
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45ish minutes, but point taken. Alumni Stadium (Boston College's stadium) seats 45,000 and Harvard Stadium seats 25,000. Both are close to Boston. Harvard Stadium might be fun for the novelty of an Ivy League stadium hosting a big time college football game. I love Fenway but it is a terrible football venue.

New York's problem is that MetLife is the only viable venue within close distance to Manhattan that is actually suited for football.
 
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Florida State leaving the ACC would have massive ramifications for the future of college athletics

FSU desperately wants out of the ACC and its 20-year contract with ESPN, but every turn of conference realignment brings something unexpected.
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FSU is trying to get out of the ACC and the SEC isn't interested. Maybe the B1G will want a Florida school?

Can we just separate football from other sports at this point? Students in other sports are getting ****** by these realignments.
 
The Nature Boy said:
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Florida State leaving the ACC would have massive ramifications for the future of college athletics

FSU desperately wants out of the ACC and its 20-year contract with ESPN, but every turn of conference realignment brings something unexpected.
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FSU is trying to get out of the ACC and the SEC isn't interested. Maybe the B1G will want a Florida school?

Can we just separate football from other sports at this point? Students in other sports are getting ****** by these realignments.
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The ACC is the next Power 5 Conference to fall.

They have a long-term TV deal they're not deep into that's suddenly the worst deal there is. Other schools, such as UNC, already aren't happy about the PAC-12 teams joining the All Coasts Conference. And FSU's CFP snub just further weakened the credibility of the ACC as a powerhouse.
 
The Nature Boy said:
Football was invented and grew in the Northeast and Upper Midwest. Football is meant to be played in the chill of the fall and the cold of the winter. Fenway Park and Yankee Stadium are ****** football venues though. I would do a Bowl at Gillette and MetLife to reach those markets.
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They should do a game at Lambeau Field. One of the best venues in all of sports and most players don't get to play in the NFL
 
The Nature Boy said:
45ish minutes, but point taken. Alumni Stadium (Boston College's stadium) seats 45,000 and Harvard Stadium seats 25,000. Both are close to Boston. Harvard Stadium might be fun for the novelty of an Ivy League stadium hosting a big time college football game. I love Fenway but it is a terrible football venue.

New York's problem is that MetLife is the only viable venue within close distance to Manhattan that is actually suited for football.
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Harvard is an interesting idea. For a lot of low- to mid-level bowl games, 25k is enough.

It would be more out of the way for fans, but a bowl game at Michie Stadium would look pretty incredible. Navy hosts the Military Bowl and pretty successfully so, so service academies have proven they can do it.
 
FLRacingFan said:
Harvard is an interesting idea. For a lot of low- to mid-level bowl games, 25k is enough.

It would be more out of the way for fans, but a bowl game at Michie Stadium would look pretty incredible. Navy hosts the Military Bowl and pretty successfully so, so service academies have proven they can do it.
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The more I think about Harvard, the more I like it. It’s the oldest stadium in college football and is the oldest stadium to have ever served as an NFL stadium (Patriots, 1970). You could make it a throwback themed broadcast with both teams wearing throwback uniforms.

The Military Bowl used to be hosted at RFK Stadium in DC but got moved to Annapolis. I wonder if it would move back if we got a good NFL stadium.
 
racingfan7 said:
Instead of having the Yankee Bowl & Fenway Bowl. They should do them in Puerto Rico or Guam or US Virgin Islands and make it a cool experience for a vacation, teams, fans, players.

A baseball stadium in the cold? Nah.
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Once the ACC falls, I don’t see this being a problem as bowls will be extinct within 15 years. You see it already in a way with opt outs. College football is going the way of their own entity with divisions that will be NFL lite
 
Jorge De Guzman said:
Once the ACC falls, I don’t see this being a problem as bowls will be extinct within 15 years. You see it already in a way with opt outs. College football is going the way of their own entity with divisions that will be NFL lite
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I almost wonder if the CFP committee saw the writing on the wall and knew they could accelerate the process, given that they had every excuse to do so.

Again, Liberty over SMU dismantled all their talking points. The only people who still buy into this BS are Bama and Liberty fans.
 
I think FSU will probably kick the can down the road to 2030 when the Big Ten TV deal opens up again. In the meantime, Oregon and Washington will only be making partial shares since that’s all FOX/CBS/NBC agreed to as they were added after the main contract was signed. Whatever buyout there still is at that point will be smaller too.

Though I can’t overstate just how much I hate the direction of how this is all going. We’re essentially going to wind up with two hodgepodge super conferences of 20 teams each where you only play half the conference each season, and 8-4 SEC/B1G teams backdoor their way into the playoff.
 
FLRacingFan said:
I think FSU will probably kick the can down the road to 2030 when the Big Ten TV deal opens up again. In the meantime, Oregon and Washington will only be making partial shares since that’s all FOX/CBS/NBC agreed to as they were added after the main contract was signed. Whatever buyout there still is at that point will be smaller too.

Though I can’t overstate just how much I hate the direction of how this is all going. We’re essentially going to wind up with two hodgepodge super conferences of 20 teams each where you only play half the conference each season, and 8-4 SEC/B1G teams backdoor their way into the playoff.
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The sport is gonna **** itself up like NASCAR did
 
FLRacingFan said:
I think FSU will probably kick the can down the road to 2030 when the Big Ten TV deal opens up again. In the meantime, Oregon and Washington will only be making partial shares since that’s all FOX/CBS/NBC agreed to as they were added after the main contract was signed. Whatever buyout there still is at that point will be smaller too.

Though I can’t overstate just how much I hate the direction of how this is all going. We’re essentially going to wind up with two hodgepodge super conferences of 20 teams each where you only play half the conference each season, and 8-4 SEC/B1G teams backdoor their way into the playoff.
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Hate it too. But in a way I think once there's two conferences standing, the bowls are dead and College Football is it's own entity broken off from the NCAA where there's 32-64 teams vying for the national title each year ,I'd bet you're going to see whatever entity is running College Football at this point tidy this all up by placing these teams in regional-centric divisions that we're all used too that emphasize the old school rivalries. They'll probably institute a rotation kind of like how the AFC EAST will play The NFC East some years and then rotate every year after that with open slots for "prime time match ups" against schools that arnt on that rotation where maybe an out of conference rivalry like the Backyard Brawl can happen every year.
 
FLRacingFan said:
Though I can’t overstate just how much I hate the direction of how this is all going. We’re essentially going to wind up with two hodgepodge super conferences of 20 teams each where you only play half the conference each season, and 8-4 SEC/B1G teams backdoor their way into the playoff.
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Agreed, it's extremely disappointing. The more college football tries to be like the pros, the less interested I'll become. Don't get me wrong, I absolutely love the NFL, but college football has it's own identity. I absolutely despise this "superconference" bull****. It's all about $$$ for the networks, the schools that already have more than enough money, and (two) conferences. None of this actually makes the sport any better for the fans.

Imagine how terrible NASCAR would be if HMS and JGR owned a dozen cars each. That's basically what "NCAA" football has become.
 
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