Enough Is Enough Full Season Championship.

Naitch said:
Corey Heim and Connor Zilisch are the best drivers in their respective series, but that doesn’t translate to being champion under the system we have.

And there are times when the best driver wouldn’t win under a full season system. Mechanical failures and Rick Ware Racing drivers are an ever present threat.
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To me best driver = most points from race 1 to the last race. The old system didn't allow the guy who scored the most points to lose, unless of course they got a points penalty to take away some points. If you lost the championship under a full season system then the other person did better all season with getting points and finishing, and getting the most out of races. But still give the winner more points and that helps makes winning important, while also making sure someone performed week in and week out, every single race.
 
StandOnIt said:
Oh it's damn close. I've posted it a number of times.
Zilisch with 10 wins, 19 top 5's and 22 top 10's.
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I'm talking about points here. By the way points are now, Justin would have to have a perfect day, both stage wins, race winner, and fastest lap, and Connor not get any stage points, and finish dead last, and I believe Justin would beat him.
 
There isn't a perfect points system period. Only variations. A simple change to the Latford weighing a bit more on winning would have balanced it out quite a bit. But with the added stage points that I don't see them getting rid off, it's possible the Latford would be over balanced on points awarding winning when they count stage points also.
 
StandOnIt said:
There isn't a perfect points system period. Only variations. A simple change to the Latford weighing a bit more on winning would have balanced it out quite a bit. But with the added stage points that I don't see them getting rid off, it's possible the Latford would be over balanced on points awarding winning when they count stage points also.
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If they wanna keep stage points, the best out come is, whatever 2nd place would get for winning stage 1 and 2(and fastest lap) then the winner should at minimum be guaranteed 15 more points, maybe even 20. But whatever they do, the winner should be who leaves a race with the most points, even with bonus points factored in.
 
From Adam Stern's paywalled article, re: NASCAR/Versant:

Hong conceded that Versant hopes to get a new event soon, but noted the company remains focused on airing the NASCAR playoffs. “We obviously want to try some new venues, but we also take pride in having the 10 playoff races and in our package crowning a champion,” he said.

NASCAR has been exploring changes to its playoff format and car model next year todraw more fans. Asked whether Versant has any specific preference on how NASCAR determines its champion, Hong was largely deferential.

“We’re proud to have that playoff package,” he said, “so independent of format or anything like that, we like the season-ending part of the package.”
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Momentum is definitely shifting in favor of getting rid of this abomonation.
 
Naitch said:
Why don’t we just have a full season system that gives the trophy to the guy with the lowest average finish?
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Would not be my first choice because I do think a win deserves a bonus, but I could live with it and be satisfied. It would still be be much better than the current resets.
 
NASCAR, 2009: What can we do to get fans back?
Fans: Dump the Chase.
NASCAR: DOUBLE FILE RESTARTS!

NASCAR, 2014: What can we do to get fans back?
Fans: Dump the Chase.
NASCAR: PLAYOFFS!!!!

NASCAR, 2017: What can we do to get fans back?
Fans: Go back to a 36 race championship.
NASCAR: STAGE RACING!!!

NASCAR, 2021: What can we do to get fans back?
Fans: Go back to a 36 race championship.
NASCAR: Here's a bunch of road courses!

NASCAR, 2022: What can we do to get fans back?
Fans: Go back to a 36 race championship.
NASCAR: Here's an IMSA racecar and a football field!

NASCAR, 2023: What can we do to get fans back?
Fans: Go back to a 36 race championship.
NASCAR: Best we can do is a street race in the middle of Chicago.

NASCAR, 2024: What can we do to get fans back?
Fans: Go back to a 36 race championship.
NASCAR: Here's a new TV deal that will make the races harder to find and more expensive to watch!

NASCAR, 2025: What can we do to get fans back?
Fans: Go back to a 36 race championship.
NASCAR: Oh look, here's a points race at North Wilkesboro.
 
It would be a bad look if either Heim or Zilisch to have dominant seasons and go home without the title. (yes, this is from me)

insidecircletrack.com

Bad look if dominant drivers leave with no title - Inside Circle Track

When NASCAR created the Chase and then morphed into the current “playoff” format, the focus was placed on winning. “Win and you’re in” along with “win and advance” became themes through the NASCAR seasons. The goal was to place an emphasis on winning races instead of chasing points. The 2024...
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HoneyBadger said:
NASCAR, 2009: What can we do to get fans back?
Fans: Dump the Chase.
NASCAR: DOUBLE FILE RESTARTS!

NASCAR, 2014: What can we do to get fans back?
Fans: Dump the Chase.
NASCAR: PLAYOFFS!!!!

NASCAR, 2017: What can we do to get fans back?
Fans: Go back to a 36 race championship.
NASCAR: STAGE RACING!!!

NASCAR, 2021: What can we do to get fans back?
Fans: Go back to a 36 race championship.
NASCAR: Here's a bunch of road courses!

NASCAR, 2022: What can we do to get fans back?
Fans: Go back to a 36 race championship.
NASCAR: Here's an IMSA racecar and a football field!

NASCAR, 2023: What can we do to get fans back?
Fans: Go back to a 36 race championship.
NASCAR: Best we can do is a street race in the middle of Chicago.

NASCAR, 2024: What can we do to get fans back?
Fans: Go back to a 36 race championship.
NASCAR: Here's a new TV deal that will make the races harder to find and more expensive to watch!

NASCAR, 2025: What can we do to get fans back?
Fans: Go back to a 36 race championship.
NASCAR: Oh look, here's a points race at North Wilkesboro.
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Ha ha. They really are stupid….or their TV Overlords have them firmly by the cajones
 
Naitch said:
The networks demanded expanded playoffs in every other sport. Networks love playoffs.
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Pretty much a no brainer. Brian France laid down and once you let the TV weasels have a say, it's hell to get them to see the light. The ratings taking a tank during the playoffs is helping to convince them.
 
StandOnIt said:
Pretty much a no brainer. Brian France laid down and once you let the TV weasels have a say, it's hell to get them to see the light. The ratings taking a tank during the playoffs is helping to convince them.
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NASCAR consolidating the rights before the 2001 season made this possible. When the tracks had to individually negotiate TV deals, the partners couldn’t demand these kind of changes.
 
Naitch said:
NASCAR consolidating the rights before the 2001 season made this possible. When the tracks had to individually negotiate TV deals, the partners couldn’t demand these kind of changes.
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www.sportingnews.com

Brian France: New Chase exceeding expectations | Sporting News

The championship race features a driver with four wins and 2,083 laps led, and one with no wins and just 41 laps led. But Brian France says the new format is working.
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Naitch said:
The networks demanded expanded playoffs in every other sport. Networks love playoffs.
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Playoffs have a place in other sports because they don’t play the same teams each. They even have a place in NHRA because it’s 1v1 racing.

The only thing the playoffs have done well, IMO, is keep interest up in the late summer races. Those used to be a drag in the 36 race format. So much of a drag that NBC added “Through the Field” to fill airtime.

The playoffs have reduced my interest in the fall though. Once your driver is out, you don’t care.

2015 did me in. NASCAR wanted this and that and then a man who missed half the regular season won the championship.
 
O'Donnell knows he has 2 superstars and he isn't going to hear the end of it if they both don't win. If he doesn't know that the fans don't want any more janky jack pot flim flam made for TV contests, FOFO.

 
O'Donnell:
We did rotate the race to Miami. Steve mentioned that. That was probably the biggest ask, was rotate the championship. We can check that box off.
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Full season must be dead. If it was going to happen, it wouldn't matter where the last race was held. Rotating the final races only matters if there's a playoff system.
 
Charlie Spencer said:
O'Donnell:

Full season must be dead. If it was going to happen, it wouldn't matter where the last race was held. Rotating the final races only matters if there's a playoff system.
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Agree, I don’t see them leaving some form of “playoffs”. Bianchi speculated on 3 possibilities; full season, existing 10 race chase, or a 3-3-4 scenario. If they must have a “playoffs”, I’d prefer to just crown a regular season champion after 32 races, then have the top 5 finishers eligible for the championship over the next 4 races using a specific points system relative to wins and position in each remaining race. Top 5 start with a points total reflective of their relative regular season finishing position, so the leader maintains advantage going into the playoff races.
 
I never thought nascar was going to abandon the playoffs. They’re too far down the road with it and their tv overlords demand it. I’d also wager maybe talking out of my backside here, but I’d bet there is some sort of playoff wording in the tv contract. It sucks. The way this sport has crowned a champion is a sham and has been since 2004. I’m sorry, but it’s the way I feel. Just because the rules state it, it’s not fair nor has been that there’s a points reset with 3/4 of the season done, you’ve just cancelled out the previous 26 races and made them useless. And then you have 3 more points resets along the way, which I utterly hate. I’ve prepared myself for them keeping a version of this reality tv format but it still bothers me that they’re going in this direction.
 
I look at it this way, because of the fans, there will be no one race jackpot lottery B.S.. Pretty sure the win and you are in nonsense is all gone also. They must be living on dream street if they think we fans are going to be satisfied with nothing less than a full 36 race season without the made for TV gimmicks. O'Donnel said it best. Racing fans aren't like stick n ball fans. We don't get all warm and fuzzy when they mention playoffs.
 
I'm completely a fan of the 36 race championship, however let's not forget when we solve a problem we may create new and even bigger ones.

What do you do about waivers for the 36 race championship? Is everyone ok with if you have to sit out a week you're out of it? How many drivers start trying to hide injuries again?
 
wi_racefan said:
What do you do about waivers for the 36 race championship?
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I could stand a couple of mulligans. Might even add a bit of drama to the last couple of races. Still better than what we have now.

But it's irrelevant since we aren't getting a full 36-race total points championship. Too much smoke for there to not be a 3-3-4 fire.
 
wi_racefan said:
I'm completely a fan of the 36 race championship, however let's not forget when we solve a problem we may create new and even bigger ones.

What do you do about waivers for the 36 race championship? Is everyone ok with if you have to sit out a week you're out of it? How many drivers start trying to hide injuries again?
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No BS resets would eliminate the waivers. Thats tough and cruel at times, but maintaining a war with no compromisees is a worth the cost.
 
This sport sold its soul 20 years ago. There are no buy backs. All so their “playoff races” can be buried on USA network.

The France family needs to be out of the picture for anything to ever change. There is no vision or integrity left behind the decision making. Nothing but up front cash outs that hurt the long term viability.

An actual league like the NFL would never allow itself to be torn down to clown status by network executives. They maintain creative control. For better or worse.

We will get 3-3-4 until the TV deal is up. Hopefully by then someone steps up who wants to sell the sport itself and not trash TV.
 
JBone88 said:
This sport sold its soul 20 years ago. There are no buy backs. All so their “playoff races” can be buried on USA network.
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They took the money and ran…the bank account says it makes sense but logic says they really are a bunch of clowns. What you say are your 10 biggest races , what is it, 7 races are buried on a channel no one under the age of 35 gets or pays for.
 
Jorge De Guzman said:
They took the money and ran…the bank account says it makes sense but logic says they really are a bunch of clowns. What you say are your 10 biggest races , what is it, 7 races are buried on a channel no one under the age of 35 gets or pays for.
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Yep. Which is why nobody respects NASCAR or its leadership. They have no self esteem and don’t respect themselves. Why should the networks respect them? Or their product? Of which, I’m not even certain they can fully explain what it actually is anymore.

I’m sure NBC, FOX and company love negotiating with these simpletons because they know they have all the leverage. Cash whip this low business IQ family up front, for some easy reality TV space filler content on their 3rd tier partners.
 
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