2025 NASCAR TV contract

Spotter22 said:
I got up from my computer and that post timed out so here is the follow to Nature boys Comcast post-

Tell me what the problem is, why is the race not being simulcast on peacock a problem? If you have a provider you can watch the race on their app or the regular channel .I streamed every single race in 2023, even the OTA ones because in my city they moved the signal as far away as possible from the major market so you have to subscribe or build a skyscraper for an antenna mount.
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Yea I streamed a few races myself sitting in the backyard at my house or a friend’s, full disclosure I did it through my Xfinity App but me having Xfinity allowed me to do it
 
Spotter22 said:
Are you on a VPN? If yes why cant you disable it? I'm pretty good with troubleshooting these types of problems so if you give me some info I can try to fix your problem if you want me to.
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My local supplier gets the signal via fiber optic from an upstream supplier. The local then disperses it via their towers that get the signal to individual antennas --- like the one on my roof. It's aimed at the tower just up the road. It was my only option for relatively decent internet -- and I must say it has been incredibly reliable --- unless some dolt manages to cut the cable upstream. LOL
 
Charlie Spencer said:
I did the same with Hulu but signing on to NBC with my Xfinity credentials.
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I use a Firestick and I have every app I need to watch any race, like you if I'm out of town I simply log on to the app using my TV provider login info
 
TexasRaceLady said:
My local supplier gets the signal via fiber optic from an upstream supplier. The local then disperses it via their towers that get the signal to individual antennas --- like the one on my roof. It's aimed at the tower just up the road. It was my only option for relatively decent internet -- and I must say it has been incredibly reliable --- unless some dolt manages to cut the cable upstream. LOL
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So the local supplier inserts a VPN on your signal?
 
Spotter22 said:
So the local supplier inserts a VPN on your signal?
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I'm guessing that's necessary to prevent unauthorized users from picking up the signal from the towers. I'm a bit surprised Amazon doesn't have a way of managing this via the local providers' IP address block.
 
Spotter22 said:
I got up from my computer and that post timed out so here is the follow to Nature boys Comcast post-

Tell me what the problem is, why is the race not being simulcast on peacock a problem? If you have a provider you can watch the race on their app or the regular channel .I streamed every single race in 2023, even the OTA ones because in my city they moved the signal as far away as possible from the major market so you have to subscribe or build a skyscraper for an antenna mount.
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Only 46% of homes have cable television, a number that is rapidly declining. If you want to include services like YouTube TV, it might be closer to 60% (probably being generous).

Cable is no longer dying a slow death, it's dying a very rapid death. Which is why OTA (broadcast) and OTT (streaming) are huge parts of sports contracts now.

You can literally watch every single NFL game without having a cable subscription. You can watch EVERY in-market game and NFL RedZone (the only way to watch football on Sundays) for something like $10/month.

The biggest winner in the Fox side of the contract might be MLB. With the vast majority of Fox's races moving to FS1, that gives Fox more opportunities to spotlight MLB on Sunday afternoons.
 
Charlie Spencer said:
Funny, the only thing I might find I dislike is the amount available only on streaming.
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Prime Video is in more homes than FS1 and USA.

FS1 = 71 million subscribers (via cable)
USA = 90 million subscribers (via cable)
Prime = 167.2 million subscribers
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
Prime Video is in more homes than FS1 and USA.

FS1 = 71 million homes
USA = 90 million homes
Prime = 167.2 million homes
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Ah, but unlike NASCAR, there's only one of those homes I'm interested in ;) Still, it's only five races. I can probably figure out Prime for that long. I don't have any use for Peacock outside race season but $5 a month is cheap enough that I don't bother dropping the subscription.
 
Charlie Spencer said:
Ah, but unlike NASCAR, there's only one of those homes I'm interested in ;) Still, it's only five races. I can probably figure out Prime for that long. I don't have any use for Peacock outside race season but $5 a month is cheap enough that I don't bother dropping the subscription.
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I don't do Prime either. I can't get anything shipped to my house, so I have to do most of my shopping the old-fashioned way. I had it over the summer and kept it long enough to watch the Jaguars/Aints game.
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
I don’t see any building for the future or trying to get younger fans here. Their focus is on keeping their much older audience watching. And even then, those people are pissed off because there are only nine races on
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NASCAR really does need to come up with a plan that will attract younger fans. IDK how to accomplish it but hopefully NASCAR will figure it out.
 
AlTerego said:
NASCAR really does need to come up with a plan that will attract younger fans. IDK how to accomplish it but hopefully NASCAR will figure it out.
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Too late.

This is a seven year deal. The landscape is changing right now. Seven years from now, NASCAR could very well be left behind because of this bizarre commitment to linear television.
 
Charlie Spencer said:
Ah, but unlike NASCAR, there's only one of those homes I'm interested in ;) Still, it's only five races. I can probably figure out Prime for that long. I don't have any use for Peacock outside race season but $5 a month is cheap enough that I don't bother dropping the subscription.
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Looks like YouTube for me. The only Nascar that isn't covered are the 5 cup races on Prime. I have to do something, my local cable Cimtel is going belly up next month. I'll take my chances on finding a stream for the jungle site.
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
Too late.

This is a seven year deal. The landscape is changing right now. Seven years from now, NASCAR could very well be left behind because of this bizarre commitment to linear television.
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I hope that is not the case but I will yield to your judgment as I don’t know enough about these things. I do know that there were a couple of playoff races (maybe more) where NASCAR only had about 13% of the 18-49 demo. Obviously that needs to change ASAP.
 
FLRacingFan said:
USA is down to ~ 70M these days too.
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By 2030, these numbers are supposed to be half (or well short of that) of what they are now.

By the time this contract ends, every other sport will have almost all of their "national" telecasts available on OTA TV. By the time this contract ends, people who don't have cable (which will be the vast majority of Americans) will be able to watch any MLB, NBA, NHL, or NFL game they want through some streaming service.

Meanwhile, half of NASCAR's races will be available to only 25% (if that) of the population.
 
AlTerego said:
I hope that is not the case but I will yield to your judgment as I don’t know enough about these things. I do know that there were a couple of playoff races (maybe more) where NASCAR only had about 13% of the 18-49 demo. Obviously that needs to change ASAP.
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Going all in on cable television won't help get younger viewers.

Some of these teenagers now don't even know what TNT is. If it's not on Netflix or Prime Video, they don't know about it, they don't see it, they don't want to know about it.
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
Going all in on cable television won't help get younger viewers.

Some of these teenagers now don't even know what TNT is. If it's not on Netflix or Prime Video, they don't know about it, they don't see it, they don't want to know about it.
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Isn't the NBA very popular among teens and 20-somethings? How many NBA games are on TNT?

Also, where's your source that claims America's kids are most interested in Netflix and Prime? I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm just surprised if it's actually true.
 
Spotter22 said:
40% Increase!!! Yeah we dead lmao! Just keep on winning NASCAR!

Increase plus the Daytona 500 sold out in November 2023 for 2024. Gotta love it!
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I have all the platforms Nascar will be carried on so I’m happy about that alone!
 
Spotter22 said:
40% Increase!!! Yeah we dead lmao! Just keep on winning NASCAR!

Increase plus the Daytona 500 sold out in November 2023 for 2024. Gotta love it!
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Nothing left but to bury it and throw some dirt on it lol. Many of those precious 18-35 year old groups have reached retirement age with all of this screwing around with Nascar continuing to exist for over 75 years. What in the hell is going on, and now they get a big raise?
 
Whose to say that Fox/NBC couldn't switch some races to streaming in the future as well. I
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
I don't do Prime either. I can't get anything shipped to my house,
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I don't currently do Prime because I'm cheap. You can get almost everything from Amazon delivered free without joining Prime, if you're willing to wait three to five days for delivery.
 
StandOnIt said:
Looks like YouTube for me. The only Nascar that isn't covered are the 5 cup races on Prime. I have to do something, my local cable Cimtel is going belly up next month. I'll take my chances on finding a stream for the jungle site.
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I get cable TV and Internet from the same outfit. Are you already getting them from two different sources, or will you have to find a new Internet provider?
 
Charlie Spencer said:
I get cable TV and Internet from the same outfit. Are you already getting them from two different sources, or will you have to find a new Internet provider?
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YouTube TV is cheaper than if I went through my ISP for cable TV. My internet is $85/month.

Spectrum's base TV packages start at $50/month if I bundle them with internet, and go up after one year. And those base packages don't offer the channels I already get with YouTube TV. Their sales reps even say they use YouTube TV because it's ultimately cheaper.
 
zevious said:
Whose to say that Fox/NBC couldn't switch some races to streaming in the future as well. I
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Fox would have to either create a new streaming platform or find a partner. NBC could move races to Peacock though. It's possible but I don't know how likely it is.

AndyMarquisLive said:
Some of these teenagers now don't even know what TNT is.
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Some of these people don't even know what an antenna is so they don't even access OTA channels right now. Gen Z is surprisingly illiterate at using linear television.
 
Charlie Spencer said:
I get cable TV and Internet from the same outfit. Are you already getting them from two different sources, or will you have to find a new Internet provider?
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Cimtel is going to keep the internet thank gawd lol. They got government grants to install it so that could be why. It's good enough to stream but nothing like 4K. I'm going with the Roku and YouTube. Out of all of them it was the only one that had info on exactly, according to zip code, the channels that were available. The rest seemed all smoke and mirrors and impossible to nail down. I noticed in the small print many had "if available in your area". So 5 cup races in the air, who knows with the ever changing dice rolling of the gatekeepers what the future brings.

The new infrastructure bill has another high speed internet provider Cox in the area now that offers three speeds. I'm on the waiting list. They are doing the really boonies that have nothing first though.
 
The Nature Boy said:
Fox would have to either create a new streaming platform or find a partner. NBC could move races to Peacock though. It's possible but I don't know how likely it is.
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I don't think it's likely NBC moves to Peacock because this deal seems concentrated on the cable side.

And, when it comes to NBC, can you blame them for treating NASCAR like a second-tier sport? They lost their Xfinity package. The segment of races they have in the next deal will already be the least watched races of the year. The number of Cup races they have is reduced from 20 to 14. And a bunch of the content they already have on Peacock is being moved to TNT Sports. Again, if the Jacksonville Jaguars move to Daytona International Speedway (and I don't think Daytona's post about the Jaguars a couple of weeks ago was a coincidence), NBC might end up losing it and Chicago.
 
Maybe I'm naïve, but I don't think the sky is falling. People have been predicting the death of cable for over 20 years now. Meanwhile, many of these streaming services (like Youtube TV) are still carrying "cable" networks, and a lot of the channels/shows/events are available on various streaming apps in addition to cable TV. So what's the big deal?
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
And, when it comes to NBC, can you blame them for treating NASCAR like a second-tier sport? They lost their Xfinity package. The segment of races they have in the next deal will already be the least watched races of the year. The number of Cup races they have is reduced from 20 to 14. And a bunch of the content they already have on Peacock is being moved to TNT Sports. Again, if the Jacksonville Jaguars move to Daytona International Speedway (and I don't think Daytona's post about the Jaguars a couple of weeks ago was a coincidence), NBC might end up losing it and Chicago.
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I would have swapped NBC and FOX in the deal. FOX does not deserve the Daytona 500. Say what you will about the "gerbils" but NBC doesn't treat NASCAR fans like idiots and some of their stuff (ex. the virtual cutaway car) is actually informative.
 
The gerbils not making a mess of the Xfinity races just tears me up lol. Looking forward to CW and see who they get.
 
The Nature Boy said:
Some of these people don't even know what an antenna is so they don't even access OTA channels right now. Gen Z is surprisingly illiterate at using linear television.
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Streaming devices are surprisingly simple to use compared to cable.

The bar I sometimes DJ at, their TVs has Roku TVs hooked up to cable. I usually end up getting pissed off trying to find a game that I exit out of cable, load YouTube TV and watch through it instead. (Plus YouTube TV has multiview.)
 
Well, I won't buy streaming services so I won't be watching the streaming-only races. And it's not only the cost of streaming services - unless I want to watch races on my little computer monitor I'd also have to buy more equipment to interface Internet to my TV set. Not worth the money nor hassle for such little return on investment, particularly when my experience with streaming services over my ISP is disappointing (jittery and freezes).

I was already annoyed by having to figure out what cable channel was carrying the race each week... looks like that will continue. If Disney continues to fight with Spectrum about access prices I might not be able to watch the races on their channels, too.

Probably will taper off watching race broadcasts, and once that becomes a habit I'm not likely to go back. With five weeks of streaming-only races that I will miss I will probably be doing something else instead of resuming race broadcasts once they are available on cable again. That's me knowing me - I've gotten out of the habit of watching race broadcasts before (for several years) and only started regularly watching them again these past two years, due to having more time after retiring from my own racing efforts. Might be a good thing - get my butt off the couch.

I wonder how many TV viewers will also skip the streaming channel races? I know people who live on fixed incomes and can't budget streaming. I wonder if race and car sponsors will see their exposure drop, and then scream for NASCAR to rework this deal or even cease their sponsorships? Somehow I don't expect this deal to remain unchanged all the way through 2031.
 
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