What did you think of the Martinsville call?

What should NASCAR have done at the end of Martinsville?

  • They got it right, penalize Bell

    Votes: 18 33.3%

  • They should've penalized Bell and Byron

    Votes: 24 44.4%

  • They should've penalized just Byron

    Votes: 1 1.9%

  • Nobody should've been penalized.

    Votes: 11 20.4%
  • Total voters
    54
LewTheShoe said:
Byron did nothing wrong, but he did benefit from the illegal race manipulations performed by others on his behalf. That cannot stand. He should be penalized for "receiving stolen goods," so to speak.
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Exactly

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StandOnIt said:
He was supposed to see what was happening behind him, pull off into the pits and wave at millions of dollars driving by.
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No but he also can't be surprised if he gets punished for being the beneficiary of it. You benefited for cheating. Like I said it no different than winning with a cheated up car. Just because you didn't know doesn't make it ok

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wi_racefan said:
No but he also can't be surprised if he gets punished for being the beneficiary of it. You benefited for cheating. Like I said it no different than winning with a cheated up car. Just because you didn't know doesn't make it ok

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Prove that he knew cheating was going on.
 
Bell clearly broke the rules with his, unnecessary, wall ride. Byron did not break any rules.
Team play happens all the time and as far as the "Giving 100%", the cars on the restrictor tracks follow their teammates for most of the race without attempting to pass.
 
wi_racefan said:
No but he also can't be surprised if he gets punished for being the beneficiary of it. You benefited for cheating. Like I said it no different than winning with a cheated up car. Just because you didn't know doesn't make it ok

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In this instance would you have thrown the black flag on the 1, 3, 20, 23 & 24 and then impose fines and such after the race?
 
For what it's worth I would have been completely fine with the 1 and 3 lining up behind the 24 and forcing the 6 to drive around the outside of all 3. The 2 wide blocking was too far.

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AlTerego said:
In this instance would you have thrown the black flag on the 1, 3, 20, 23 & 24 and then impose fines and such after the race?
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I'd be ok with throwing it for the 1 and 3, that would have solved the blocking problem.

I would have given the 23 the benefit of doubt but after tearing the car down and finding nothing wrong I would have dropped the hammer so hard on them. Talking like suspending the team from competition next week.

The 20 you have to penalize because clearly he rode the wall and that's black and white. Not sure what the penalty for that is but to me it should just be a DQ.

I guess the 24 shakes out where he is after the 1 and 3 are black flagged

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wi_racefan said:
I'd be ok with throwing it for the 1 and 3, that would have solved the blocking problem.

I would have given the 23 the benefit of doubt but after tearing the car down and finding nothing wrong I would have dropped the hammer so hard on them. Talking like suspending the team from competition next week.

The 20 you have to penalize because clearly he rode the wall and that's black and white. Not sure what the penalty for that is but to me it should just be a DQ.

I guess the 24 shakes out where he is after the 1 and 3 are black flagged

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Thanks! I appreciate you taking the time to answer.
 
wi_racefan said:
That's insulting his intelligence pretty bad.

He was slipping, sliding and slow as crap. Had cars 2 wide behind him not making any attempt to pass. Please William is way smarter than that.

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Yip, yap, it doesn't matter what you think, it is what you can prove.
 
StandOnIt said:
He was supposed to see what was happening behind him, pull off into the pits and wave at millions of dollars driving by.
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Ah, I see. "I think the guys behind me are blocking for me so I'll do a voluntary pass down pit road. If they're still doing it when I come back out, I'll do a stop-and-go. I won't have to write a check; we left an undated one with Daytona at the start of the season."
 
Charlie Spencer said:
Yeah, that will give him plausible denial on the record, I guess. If they keep blocking, is his request good enough to get him off the hook with you?
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To me it doesn't really matter once it's apparent they're blocking you black flag them. In this case nascar screwed the pooch, so the only way to make it fair is to penalize the 24 since he was the beneficiary.

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Charlie Spencer said:
Yeah, that will give him plausible denial on the record, I guess. If they keep blocking, is his request good enough to get him off the hook with you?
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I think Byron should have thrown a handful of nails out the window. That will teach them to not be blocking for him.
 
Hey, I got an idea. Instead of this idiotic win and you are in points system, why don't they have a points system that has everybody racing for position without a jackpot every race? Nobody from other teams would be thinking about blocking for other teams or laying down so somebody from another team can pass them.
 
StandOnIt said:
Hey, I got an idea. Instead of this idiotic win and you are in points system, why don't they have a points system that has everybody racing for position without a jackpot every race?
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You still had the games back then too. Just not as bad. Guys would give guys spots or push them.

How many times did a teammate pull over to let a guy lead a lap for the bonus points?

How many times did teams field extra cars if they had one in the championship? Heck one even cost brendan gaughan a championship

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StandOnIt said:
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The entire incident should call for a deeper investigation of how deeply the manufacturers are manipulating outcomes and who pays whom in what way.

If NASCAR wants to be taken seriously and grow it needs to deal with its Black Sox issues.

I love racing but I need it to be actual racing and now WWE choreographed entertainments.
 
wi_racefan said:
No but he also can't be surprised if he gets punished for being the beneficiary of it. You benefited for cheating. Like I said it no different than winning with a cheated up car. Just because you didn't know doesn't make it ok

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If you win with a cheated up car, your team was the one who cheated so you should be penalized. The infraction in question here was not committed by the driver or their team so why should the driver be penalized for an infraction committed by a different team that he had nothing to do with?
 
Daytripper said:
If you win with a cheated up car, your team was the one who cheated so you should be penalized. The infraction in question here was not committed by the driver or their team so why should the driver be penalized for an infraction committed by a different team that he had nothing to do with?
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The infractions were committed by team Toyota and team chevrolet.

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If there was indeed a Chevrolet drivers meeting as some speculate. I would assume that all drivers and crew chiefs were in attendance
 
To say that Byron, or anyone else, shouldn’t be penalized because their radios were silent and therefore they didn’t know what was happening is embarrassing, IMO. The damn cars are packing very effective rear facing cameras. The 2 wide rolling blockade was on his screen … right in front of his boyish face. He attended the meeting.

Want to stop manufacturers involving themselves in the outcome of races? Draconian penalties will take care of that. How about a post race DQ for all cars involved, loss of 500 owner and driver points and $500,000.00 fines for both. And toss the crew chiefs and spotters for 5 events carried over to the next season if necessary.

Give the corporate suits something to think about.
 
wi_racefan said:
The infractions were committed by team Toyota and team chevrolet.

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No such creatures. If you have evidence of their existence beyond T-shirt graphics, please present it.

Even if there were, you're going to keep all the kids after school because two were throwing spitballs?
 
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