2014 Daytona - Coke Zero 400 - Pre Race Thread

Tony Stewart won this race from 42nd starting spot in 2012. It would be more of an unpleasant nibble on the butt.
he can start 43rd any race and have a chance to win. when someone is the top dog, wins countless driving awards, one of the main faces of nascar, shown more than any driver on television, a pure racer, plans to drop to the rear, and ride around is bull crap to me. it's one thing to drop to the rear and get your s**t together, and go back to racing. i know other here remember the race Chad begging him to get after it, go to the front and win and he still said no. that's the reason i would never pull for Johnson as a fan. i didn't like when D. jarrett started it and i don't like it now.i know what he does has got him 6 championships. i know nobody cares what i think, but that's the main thing that irks me with him. any driver that does it
 
he can start 43rd any race and have a chance to win. when someone is the top dog, wins countless driving awards, one of the main faces of nascar, shown more than any driver on television, a pure racer, plans to drop to the rear, and ride around is bull crap to me. it's one thing to drop to the rear and get your s**t together, and go back to racing. i know other here remember the race Chad begging him to get after it, go to the front and win and he still said no. that's the reason i would never pull for Johnson as a fan. i didn't like when D. jarrett started it and i don't like it now.i know what he does has got him 6 championships. i know nobody cares what i think, but that's the main thing that irks me with him. any driver that does it
well, you know you are going to get irked, because they are going to do it regardless, they have their reasons, this one is a game of strategy a real chess match. They will be trying to dodge "The big one"
 
well, you know you are going to get irked, because they are going to do it regardless, they have their reasons, this one is a game of strategy a real chess match. They will be trying to dodge "The big one"
i've come to accept it's going be done. it's the reason i hate to love the 4 plate races.but i love the saturday night race at daytona in july, and Dega is so much fun, but i wish it was just raced once, and the Daytona 500 means the start of what i love, could never imagine it any other way.
 
he can start 43rd any race and have a chance to win. when someone is the top dog, wins countless driving awards, one of the main faces of nascar, shown more than any driver on television, a pure racer, plans to drop to the rear, and ride around is bull crap to me. it's one thing to drop to the rear and get your s**t together, and go back to racing. i know other here remember the race Chad begging him to get after it, go to the front and win and he still said no. that's the reason i would never pull for Johnson as a fan. i didn't like when D. jarrett started it and i don't like it now.i know what he does has got him 6 championships. i know nobody cares what i think, but that's the main thing that irks me with him. any driver that does it

just a thought pudge.....may be hms org strategy ...2 up front....2 in rear...til xx laps left.
don't wanta take out all 4 in big one . ??
 
it must not have been strategy when Chad was begging him to race, heck he almost went a lap down. i would think it's up to the driver bottom line. i just wasn't brought up that way. i may not make it to the front or win, but i won't go to the back for fear of what might happen trying to.
 
it must not have been strategy when Chad was begging him to race, heck he almost went a lap down. i would think it's up to the driver bottom line. i just wasn't brought up that way. i may not make it to the front or win, but i won't go to the back for fear of what might happen trying to.

we'll see sat nite.
 
we'll see sat nite.
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Plate racing makes no sense. Frustrates the hell out of me most of the time. Never ends the way I think it should. Most of the time I end up pissed. And...I....absolutely.....freakin'......love......it!!!!!!!!!
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RP race outcomes are interesting...if David Ragan wins one or two, they're a crapshoot but when the Earnhardts, Busch Bros, Stewart or Harvick win them it's because of how great they are at plate racing.

So which is it, luck or skill?

I don't mean to put just you on the spot but am asking in general :)


Its a different kind of skill from other tracks. Its a combination of luck, and skill as well as knowledge of airflow and draft. I know SR it was said could "see" the air over the cars and knew where to put his car, yet it took him a long time to win the 500.

So its like a lottery, but knowing which lotteries to play to maximize your chances of winning....
 
It is both, luck and skill and also chaos IMO. Sometimes luck wins, but the drivers who survive until the end with luck and skill and a good car are usually are up front when it is go time. Chaos comes into play with last lap slingshots and pushing and shoving.
 
RP race outcomes are interesting...if David Ragan wins one or two, they're a crapshoot but when the Earnhardts, Busch Bros, Stewart or Harvick win them it's because of how great they are at plate racing.

So which is it, luck or skill?

I don't mean to put just you on the spot but am asking in general :)
Gordon said in an interview yesterday with FS1 it's "all luck".

Edit: Pretty strong statement, but I generally agree. After all, it's the only way drivers like Michael Waltrip can win points races.
 
If some people are supposed to be better at road courses and generally have more skill and success at them, I don't see why plate racing couldn't be considered in the same way.
 
Gordon said in an interview yesterday with FS1 it's "all luck".

I disagree...you have to be good at dodging wrecks ...its more than that too..its knowing how to drive around different drivers. You are not gonna drive say a back marker like Josh wise the same way as JJ.
 
I disagree...you have to be good at dodging wrecks.
Not much you can do about that. There's nowhere to really hide at plate tracks except half a lap behind everyone like some drivers usually do for the early parts of the race.
 
Gordon said in an interview yesterday with FS1 it's "all luck".

Edit: Pretty strong statement, but I generally agree. After all, it's the only way drivers like Michael Waltrip can win points races.

Well, if it is in fact "all luck" it shouldn't matter how hard the crew worked, how great the sponsors are or if God was watching the race or not.

I disagree...you have to be good at dodging wrecks ...its more than that too..its knowing how to drive around different drivers. You are not gonna drive say a back marker like Josh wise the same way as JJ.
IMO, that applies at every track.
 
Gordon said in an interview yesterday with FS1 it's "all luck".

Edit: Pretty strong statement, but I generally agree. After all, it's the only way drivers like Michael Waltrip can win points races.

might be all luck from Gordon's seat, he has been in one wreck too many as most of the older drivers have, but I totally disagree. If you can't draft properly, or you can't figure out which line is going to move and be able to put yourself in a position to win. From a drivers standpoint, the older drivers know there is going to be a wreck, it is going to hurt, been there too many times before. Many would love to trash talk the whole thing, but they keep their mouth shut. Some don't.

 
For the most part it's a crapshoot but some drivers (Mcmurray, Ragan, Dale Jr.) are exceptional at it
 
might be all luck from Gordon's seat, he has been in one wreck too many as most of the older drivers have, but I totally disagree. If you can't draft properly, or you can't figure out which line is going to move and be able to put yourself in a position to win. From a drivers standpoint, the older drivers know there is going to be a wreck, it is going to hurt, been there too many times before. Many would love to trash talk the whole thing, but they keep their mouth shut. Some don't.


I think there was more skill to it when they raced tandems, and I remember Edwards saying as much when he was up in the ESPN booth calling the spring 2013 Talladega race.
 
RP race outcomes are interesting...if David Ragan wins one or two, they're a crapshoot but when the Earnhardts, Busch Bros, Stewart or Harvick win them it's because of how great they are at plate racing.

So which is it, luck or skill?

I don't mean to put just you on the spot but am asking in general :)
If a driver wins 12 cup points paying RP races like Jeff Gordon or ten like Dale Earnhardt then I think you could definitely call that skill. But that said I know that a lot of the 1 to 3 wins by certain drivers are pure luck.
 
If a driver wins 12 cup points paying RP races like Jeff Gordon or ten like Dale Earnhardt then I think you could definitely call that skill. But that said I know that a lot of the 1 to 3 wins by certain drivers are pure luck.
I think you also have to take into account the quality of the RP program for the respective teams.
 
I think you also have to take into account the quality of the RP program for the respective teams.
Yep. But that is a big part of all races and tracks not just RP's.
 
Yep. But that is a big part of all races and tracks not just RP's.
But it costs more money to build and set-up a restrictor plate car than any other type of car. Teams with more financial and personnel resources have an advantage. Then you have to factor in the crapshoot aspect of it. :D
 
I think you also have to take into account the quality of the RP program for the respective teams.

how many tries also, some of the older drivers like Gordon for instance,have 43 races at Daytona alone. 6 wins, the last in 05, I would say he is due using the law of averages. Stewart has 31 starts with 4 wins about the same number of wins per RP Daytona race. 14% Jeff, 13% Tony. JJ is at 12%
 
If a driver wins 12 cup points paying RP races like Jeff Gordon or ten like Dale Earnhardt then I think you could definitely call that skill. But that said I know that a lot of the 1 to 3 wins by certain drivers are pure luck.
Plate racing in the 90s was also different from how it is today.
 
We all know it was a fluke when Regan won. There are only about 10 drivers who have a shot. I bet if we picked ten drivers, all of us would have a pick that placed in the top three.
JR, Jeff, JJ, Tony, Matt, Kez, Joey, Kyle, Denny, and Ryan for example..picking the winner different story.
 
Being in the right place @ the right time and having faith in the drivers around you.
 


Florida gubernatorial candidate on the #98 at Daytona UPDATES:
Given how frugal [Florida Democratic gubernatorial candidate] Charlie Crist has tended to be with his campaign money, this surprised us, even knowing that adviser Steve Schale is a racing buff: His campaign is sponsoring [#98 Phil Parsons Racing] Ford in the Coke Zero 400. These sponsorships can cost as much as hundreds of thousands of dollars. "The campaign spent no money on this and the cost of wrapping the car was an in kind donation from a supporter who is a big NASCAR fan," said campaign spokesman Brendan Gilfillian. The car is owned by Mike Curb, Republican former California lieutenant governor and record company executive who surely knows Crist's long time political pal, Mitch Bainwol, the former head of the Recording Industry Association of America. The driver is John Wise.(Miami Herald)(7-1-2014)
UPDATE: A political ad that created a bit of a firestorm has been removed from the Phil Parsons Racing car that will compete Saturday in the Sprint Cup Series race at Daytona International Speedway. Phil Parsons said Friday morning he did not remove the "Charlie Crist for Florida" stickers from his car because of the Republican Party of Florida complaint but out of respect to team business partner Mike Curb, a Republican and former lieutenant governor of California. Curb is the listed owner of the car on NASCAR entry lists and his Curb Records logos are on the team equipment. "I did it out of respect to Mike Curb, who is a staunch Republican and he didn't feel comfortable and he's been a huge supporter and a partner to us from the very start," Parsons said in the garage as the car was going through technical inspection. Parsons said he had been paid by a supporter of Crist's to put the Crist stickers on the #98 car driven by Josh Wise, who gained national notoriety when he won the fan vote into the Sprint All-Star Race in May thanks to the support of the Dogecoin community on Reddit. The underfunded team will return the money.(Sporting News)7-4-2014)
UPDATE 2: NASCAR lists Mike Curb as the car's owner, but Curb said he has an agreement with Phil Parsons, a former NASCAR driver and now a team owner. In the agreement, Parsons owns and operates the car, and Curb is listed as the entrant with NASCAR. Curb said he doesn't control sponsorships and only learned Wednesday night Crist's name would be on the car. As a co-sponsor of the #98 car, Curb has an ad on the car for his recording artist Lee Brice, a country music performer who is providing the pre-race entertainment Saturday. "I don't want to get Lee Brice involved in Florida politics," Curb said. James Finch, a Panama City businessman who owns a construction company, said he brokered the deal with his friend Parsons, who could not be reached for comment Thursday night. Frustrated by Scott's seemingly endless supply of campaign cash and negative television ads directed at Crist, he said he arranged to pay about $25,000 to Parsons for the sponsorship. "Charlie is a friend of mine," said Finch, who owned a racing team until late 2013. "Phil is a friend of mine. I was helping out both of them. Charlie Crist hasn't paid anything for the car. It was all my idea."
 
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