2017 NASCAR Season - Television Ratings Thread

gnomesayin said:
There might be something to be said for the fact that research shows that NASCAR fans' average income is somewhat lower than in other sports. I believe the NHL is said to have the most higher-income fans of major sports.

Regardless, I think you're right that affordable tickets are usually available in reseller markets, and many tracks themselves out of necessity have created affordable packages that make it pretty easy for most people who want to go to do so.

Ticket prices aren't really what is keeping people from attending races, and it's certainly not what is causing millions to tune out on TV.
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I agree about ticket prices not being much of a factor in keeping fans from the track as I think it is more a case of general lack of interest. The younger fans don't have the amenities they need and the older fans are skeptical about so so racing and don't want to invest the time.
 
There you go, us junior first fans figured he had a significant chance of winning, and we tuned in. Next weekend however, probably not happening. If martinsville or Phoenix was this weekend, NASCAR might have been able to ride a wave.
 
Outstanding results and definitely some good news. Hopefully the boost wasn't all because of Junior and part of it was the race was on over the air and people just like plate racing. I am going to guess that the year over year increase in race viewers was in the 800-900K race which is unprecedented these days.
 
Skoalbandit33 said:
Outstanding results and definitely some good news. Hopefully the boost wasn't all because of Junior and part of it was the race was on over the air and people just like plate racing. I am going to guess that the year over year increase in race viewers was in the 800-900K race which is unprecedented these days.
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Both Jr. and most fans love of plate racing is my guess. Love for plate racing here does not exist but it does in the real world. Ratings show that time and time again.
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
Both Jr. and most fans love of plate racing is my guess. Love for plate racing here does not exist but it does in the real world. Ratings show that time and time again.
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It exists at my house for sure.
 
AuzGrams said:
I think the plate racing is interesting because it's the most equal and gives everyone a chance of win type racing 4 times a year. I'd still like to go to Talladega even without Dale Jr.
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I have seen some surprise winners at Talladega including Bobby Hamilton. On one hand I can see why the fans like seeing just about everyone have an equal shot at winning but my competitive side bristles at it. It would be like having the Patriots play all third stringers when they played Cleveland so the Browns wouldn't lose so bad.
 
Skoalbandit33 said:
I have seen some surprise winners at Talladega including Bobby Hamilton. On one hand I can see why the fans like seeing just about everyone have an equal shot at winning but my competitive side bristles at it. It would be like having the Patriots play all third stringers when they played Cleveland so the Browns wouldn't lose so bad.
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Did Bobby Hamilton kick his own converts?
 
We had a big group at my house for the first time in a while,a lot of JR fans.The first time this year my wife watched with us.The biggest thing about plate racing is you don't have 1 or 2 cars running away with it,there's a little suspense.
 
What impresses me is not the total number of viewers as in 2008 the race had 6.6 million of them. What strikes me is the relatively low percentage of geezers that tuned in as normally they make up 60-70% of Nascar's audience. Holy anomaly Batman!
 
The interesting thing for me in the article was how small the streaming audience was even though the race was on an over the air network. Some folks are not going to like seeing streaming make such a small dent in viewership as they like to think that every time someone presses the Nascar app or streams anything all sorts of miraculous things happen.

We mustn't forget to count the people that illegally stream races and cast them to their Zenith consoles as they are important too.
 
Michfan said:
Very good news, sorry doom and gloomers.
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I believe Fox's broadcasts were off 9% this year and IDK how much NBC will be off YOY but it will probably be in the 8-10% range too. Having a great weekend like NASCAR did at Talladega can give you the warm and fuzzies but unfortunately it is likely an anomaly. It would be great if that wasn't the case and NASCAR could start getting increases in viewers YOY.
 
Skoalbandit33 said:
The interesting thing for me in the article was how small the streaming audience was even though the race was on an over the air network. Some folks are not going to like seeing streaming make such a small dent in viewership as they like to think that every time someone presses the Nascar app or streams anything all sorts of miraculous things happen.

We mustn't forget to count the people that illegally stream races and cast them to their Zenith consoles as they are important too.
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^ ... once found bad news on a winning lottery ticket.
 
Michfan said:
Very good news, sorry doom and gloomers.
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It's ironic that Nascar racing is on 5, 6 and even 7, 8 or 9 different TV channels and a sports app? depending on the year. The people responsible for it, the networks, not Nascar are doing that. I guess it is easier to stare at the figures and blame Nascar. Some people mostly Easterners squawking about the time change, while the Kansas races are on a couple of different channels, and the practices on a sports app? It is confusing for everybody. Sorry, can't go the simpleton route, point at a small rating survey, and blame the whole thing on the fans, Nascar, and whatever else some can think of. The networks are paying for the lion's share, changing the channels and times around and who knows what else to make their money. I watch the excellent product on the track and deal with all of the ancillary techniques to generate income with a jaded but realistic outlook. Got to take the bitter with the sweet these days.
 
StandOnIt said:
It's ironic that Nascar racing is on 5, 6 and even 7, 8 or 9 different TV channels and a sports app? depending on the year. The people responsible for it, the networks, not Nascar are doing that. I guess it is easier to stare at the figures and blame Nascar. Some people mostly Easterners squawking about the time change, while the Kansas races are on a couple of different channels, and the practices on a sports app? It is confusing for everybody. Sorry, can't go the simpleton route, point at a small rating survey, and blame the whole thing on the fans, Nascar, and whatever else some can think of. The networks are paying for the lion's share, changing the channels and times around and who knows what else to make their money. I watch the excellent product on the track and deal with all of the ancillary techniques to generate income with a jaded but realistic outlook. Got to take the bitter with the sweet these days.
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If 6-7 channels tax you don't ever become an NHL fan as you would go tilt like an old wooden pinball machine. I have not heard very many complaints about finding NASCAR programming as in today's day and age you can find out what you need to know in nano seconds.

It would make sense that if Nielsen and the networks were going to fudge on the ratings they would juice them rather than make them worse. To whose benefit is it to show NASCAR with declining ratings and an old audience? It isn't the networks or NASCAR so what entity gains by misrepresenting things?
 
Skoalbandit33 said:
To whose benefit is it to show NASCAR with declining ratings and an old audience? It isn't the networks or NASCAR so what entity gains by misrepresenting things?
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I'm just going to say "politics" and leave it at that. Just go to the podium if you want to discuss that more.
The other reason would be so that other forms of motorsports can grow! i.e. the electric car parade series or whatever they call it.
 
What concerns me is that everyone at the top will take notice of the surprise ratings surge for Talladega standing in stark contrast to the 20% declines of previous (and likely upcoming) playoffs races, and conclude that what NASCAR needs is more plate racing. I believe that's the wrong conclusion, and that a sizable portion of last week's additional audience was Junior Nation turning out for his last best chance. Other recent Talladega races had been down just as much or more than the season at large. Time will tell, I'm not "spinning", just wondering about the details. I hope some other races increase as well so this doesn't look like the answer.
 
LouieLouie said:
I'm just going to say "politics" and leave it at that. Just go to the podium if you want to discuss that more.
The other reason would be so that other forms of motorsports can grow! i.e. the electric car parade series or whatever they call it.
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I am going to take the big Texas turn down (aka the El Paso) on discussing politics as I would rather do wind sprints. I have never considered that Nascar would having ratings and demography incorrectly reported due to the efforts of the Greenies and tree huggers. I am going to have to chew on it a while as I am not sure how they would be able to pull something like that off.
 
Skoalbandit33 said:
I have never considered that Nascar would having ratings and demography incorrectly reported due to the efforts of the Greenies and tree huggers. I am going to have to chew on it a while as I am not sure how they would be able to pull something like that off.
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They wouldn't. It is patently and self evidently absurd, tin foil hat level tripe. These climate justice warriors at Nielsen must not be able to hide or resist their affinity for plate race wreckfests.
 
gnomesayin said:
What concerns me is that everyone at the top will take notice of the surprise ratings surge for Talladega standing in stark contrast to the 20% declines of previous (and likely upcoming) playoffs races, and conclude that what NASCAR needs is more plate racing. I believe that's the wrong conclusion, and that a sizable portion of last week's additional audience was Junior Nation turning out for his last best chance. Other recent Talladega races had been down just as much or more than the season at large. Time will tell, I'm not "spinning", just wondering about the details. I hope some other races increase as well so this doesn't look like the answer.
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Nascar is screaming out for good news and on the surface the Talladega race is great news but if you look at it in its proper context and the totality of the situation it is easy to see that the good news is likely an anomaly.

gnomesayin said:
They wouldn't. It is patently and self evidently absurd, tin foil hat level tripe. These climate justice warriors at Nielsen must not be able to hide or resist their affinity for plate race wreckfests.
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Even if something like the conspiracy mentioned was ongoing I fail to see how it would accomplish the goal of increasing electric cars, etc.
 
NASCAR Apologist said:
Wow. Talladega proves it. Just like Notre Dame football, NASCAR is back, folks!
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The good news is that if last week's gains hold true for this week as well it would mean an astounding 4.5 million viewers but even if it only ends up at 4 million viewers for Kansas it will still be a major win. I am looking forward to seeing the YOY gain.
 
Glad to see Talladega ratings were up. That said, the race was on free NBC this year instead of cable like last year.

Many people (now including myself) do not get NBCSN or other cable sports channels.
 
Doh! It looks like Talladega was an anomaly as all the Dale Jr fans came out of hiding for one day and are now MIA again. I am guestimating that a 1.6 rating equals about 2.7 million viewers and if true that represents a 23% decline from lat year's 3.5 million. Talladega giveth and Kansas taketh away.
 
They put F-1 on over the air TV and Nascar on pay TV. doesn't make sense, but I'm not paying the bills :idunno: I think a snark sweeper infomercial could pull higher numbers then F-1 did.
 
StandOnIt said:
They put F-1 on over the air TV and Nascar on pay TV. doesn't make sense, but I'm not paying the bills :idunno: I think a snark sweeper infomercial could pull higher numbers then F-1 did.
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They have to put the big dog on cable in order to bring in new subscribers so they can try and extort more money from the cable/sat providers. I was talking to a guy a couple of years ago and he was splainin to me how that by even charging a little more NBC and FOX were going to make more money than they knew what to do with. The only thing I have heard is that FOX and NBC are pissed (should be at themselves for being dumbasses) and that an important meeting was held regarding the broadcast deal. Tweedle Dee Lesa (parents were so dumb they couldn't even spell Lisa) and Tweedle Dumb that is the bloated little alkie both no showed on this important soiree. StandOnit....could either one of us make up bovine excrement like that old buddy?
 
StandOnIt said:
They put F-1 on over the air TV and Nascar on pay TV. doesn't make sense, but I'm not paying the bills :idunno: I think a snark sweeper infomercial could pull higher numbers then F-1 did.
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Well, the F1 overnight rating was up 33% from last year, the NASCAR overnight was down 20%. I guess we'll see what the audiences are like five years from now, but by then the landscape will be very different. F1 is putting all emphasis into their own streaming service starting next year and NBC won't have the rights, so that anomoly of F1 being on free TV and NASCAR on pay TV won't happen again.
 
In this case with so few viewers involved in the F-1 race, I would have thought with the increase in viewership going over the air for Nascar that they could more than make up the small loss in F-1 viewership with the increase in advertising up charges they could get for having the Nascar program on a larger format. But like I said I'm not paying the bills.
 
gnomesayin said:
Well, the F1 overnight rating was up 33% from last year, the NASCAR overnight was down 20%. I guess we'll see what the audiences are like five years from now, but by then the landscape will be very different. F1 is putting all emphasis into their own streaming service starting next year and NBC won't have the rights, so that anomoly of F1 being on free TV and NASCAR on pay TV won't happen again.
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33%, from a point nothing to a better point nothing. that's funny.
 
gnomesayin said:
I hope some other races increase as well so this doesn't look like the answer.
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OK, this clearly isn't going to happen, maybe not even at Homestead this year. It seems more realistic to hope that the rest of the Chase races will be down only 10% instead of the 20% that has become the norm, Talladega excluded.
 
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