2018 NASCAR Media Day

For all that we crack on some of these guys, the worst of them are better than almost anyone not in a national touring series. Call Paul Menard a ride-buyer, or point out that Ty Dillon only has a seat because of Grampa, but they're better than 90% of the average ARCA field. If you'd have told me three years ago that Alex Bowman would replace Jr. in the #88, I'd have smiled, nodded, and backed away slowly without taking my eyes off you.
 
2 Sweet said:
Notice how it's always the Kyle Busch fans that complain about the attention Chase gets?
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I’m not complaining I’m stating facts.. I don’t have a prob with the guy.. all I’m saying is I understand where Kyle is coming from..
 
Thegeneral23 said:
Of course he was going to get a good ride .. it’s bill Elliot’s son.. how do you know if another person got that ride out there that they would be just as good or even already won a race? U won’t know because they not bill Elliot’s son
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Thegeneral23 said:
Thanks for making my point even more clear lol.. all you need is money in NASCAR to atleast to get a chance.. u can’t buy ur way into the nba or nfl haha .. thanks for making this clear
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If you don't think a lot of the same stuff goes on in high school sports, you're living under a rock. There's parents moving to better school districts so their kid can play for schools that are higher profile, and wealthy backers of parochial schools buying "scholarships" so poor kids can come play basketball and football for their school. Want to play baseball? Better have a parent that can financially support your travel team and be able to take you two states away to play every other weekend. For those of you that know who Donnie Baker is, his alter ego moved his whole family from Indiana to Florida so his boys could play baseball nine months a year, and his daughter could swim outside all year. The parents who have the means often send their kids all over for camps to hone their skills and rent time with private instructors. Yes, poor kids do get to the big time, but often there are still wealthy people behind the scenes paying the bills. Ever watch the movie "The Blind Side?" To a lesser extent, things like that go on all the time, and often not with the kid's best interests in mind either. Also keep in mind that if you want to play basketball every day, all you need is a ball. What's a ball cost? About the same as a couple of gallons of racing gas.
 
Thegeneral23 said:
Lakers got talked about when they was winning championships. I never hear anyone talk about them now unless your a die hard laker fan. I know plenty of laker fans and they never mention them anymore.. same goes for cowboys... they barley so lakers on tv lol..
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Are you crazy? The Lakers get talked about when they're winning, when they're not winning, and everything in between. If Lonzo Ball played for the Bucks or the Timberwolves, we probably wouldn't even KNOW who his Dad is. As it is, every time LeVar opens his mouth, it's on a sports show or the interenet home pages. They're just like the Yankees and the Cowboys. The Cowboys haven't been truly relevant for 20 years, but EVERY move they make is big news.
 
Formerjackman said:
Are you crazy? The Lakers get talked about when they're winning, when they're not winning, and everything in between. If Lonzo Ball played for the Bucks or the Timberwolves, we probably wouldn't even KNOW who his Dad is. As it is, every time LeVar opens his mouth, it's on a sports show or the interenet home pages. They're just like the Yankees and the Cowboys. The Cowboys haven't been truly relevant for 20 years, but EVERY move they make is big news.
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Lonzo and his dad was talked about before he even got to the Lakers so what are u talking about? It has nothing to do with lakers the guy was a beast in high school and college..
 
Formerjackman said:
If you don't think a lot of the same stuff goes on in high school sports, you're living under a rock. There's parents moving to better school districts so their kid can play for schools that are higher profile, and wealthy backers of parochial schools buying "scholarships" so poor kids can come play basketball and football for their school. Want to play baseball? Better have a parent that can financially support your travel team and be able to take you two states away to play every other weekend. For those of you that know who Donnie Baker is, his alter ego moved his whole family from Indiana to Florida so his boys could play baseball nine months a year, and his daughter could swim outside all year. The parents who have the means often send their kids all over for camps to hone their skills and rent time with private instructors. Yes, poor kids do get to the big time, but often there are still wealthy people behind the scenes paying the bills. Ever watch the movie "The Blind Side?" To a lesser extent, things like that go on all the time, and often not with the kid's best interests in mind either. Also keep in mind that if you want to play basketball every day, all you need is a ball. What's a ball cost? About the same as a couple of gallons of racing gas.
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And thanks for making my point again.. a ball cost nothing to get and it’s based off skills to where that ball can take u.. if u suck u not getting a chance.. with NASCAR money gets u a chance.. just because u go to a school that gets attention don’t mean your going to make it haha of get a chance smh.. money can’t buy u a chance in nba or nfl.. just stop it guys, I love NASCAR like y’all but u can’t compare those sports to NASCAR.. u just can’t.. MONEY will get u a ride **** DANICA just proved it haha.. I don’t understand what’s the argument is about? Just face it it’s different
 
Thegeneral23 said:
Lonzo and his dad was talked about before he even got to the Lakers so what are u talking about? It has nothing to do with lakers the guy was a beast in high school and college..
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The first time I ever heard of Lonzo was when his dad starting goading the Lakers into drafting him, and those idiots fell for it!
 
I posted the chart for this in another thread towards the end of last season, but can't find it now. Thru the fall Martinsville race last season, Chase wasn't even in the top 5 of most mentioned/interviewed/total tv time drivers last season. And that's with all the Hamlin stuff from that weekend included and nearly winning that race. Dale Jr. wasn't in the top 5 either. It's all perception.
 
I'm definitely a fan of switching up the final 10 races, but don't these tracks have contracts in place for their race dates years in advance?
 
AdoubleU24 said:
I'm definitely a fan of switching up the final 10 races, but don't these tracks have contracts in place for their race dates years in advance?
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I don't think the schedule is set in stone as that is reworked and released each fall. I do think they are guaranteed dates for some set time, meaning one or two races/season. I don't know how long those contracts go though.
 
Thegeneral23 said:
And thanks for making my point again.. a ball cost nothing to get and it’s based off skills to where that ball can take u.. if u suck u not getting a chance.. with NASCAR money gets u a chance.. just because u go to a school that gets attention don’t mean your going to make it haha of get a chance smh.. money can’t buy u a chance in nba or nfl.. just stop it guys, I love NASCAR like y’all but u can’t compare those sports to NASCAR.. u just can’t.. MONEY will get u a ride sh!t DANICA just proved it haha.. I don’t understand what’s the argument is about? Just face it it’s different
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The point is, people with money ALWAYS have an advantage, whether it's NASCAR, basketball or thumb wrestling. I will also caution you to look around at all the drivers with "money and or connections" that are basically sitting at home today watching others race because unless you're Paul Menard, at some point you have to be good enough to attract your own money. Chase Elliott has been getting paid by other people to drive race cars since he was 15 years old, and I promise you that the fact of who his dad is only got him so far. If not for talent, he would likely be watching the races like Brandon McReynolds, Jeb Burton, Jon Wood, Kerry Earnhardt and about fifty other guys you could name. As for Danica, you can say she "bought" her NASCAR ride, but Go Daddy didn't owe her a thing, and I'm sure when they signed on they thought she would be a LOT more successful. That's no different than any other racer, and she certainly got her Indycar rides on her potential.
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
I don't think the schedule is set in stone as that is reworked and released each fall. I do think they are guaranteed dates for some set time, meaning one or two races/season. I don't know how long those contracts go though.
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There is a LOT more that goes into scheduling a race than meets the eye. I'm not saying it can't be done, but there's a more to it than Harvick leads on, and I'd be shocked if he didn't know that. I had a nice conversation with Ron Drager (head of ARCA) many years ago about how tough it is to put all of the pieces together for even a minor league event like ARCA.
 
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Formerjackman said:
The first time I ever heard of Lonzo was when his dad starting goading the Lakers into drafting him, and those idiots fell for it!
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Naww I been hearing about him for like 3 years now him and his brothers was good I. High school too .. but his dad crazy lol
 
Formerjackman said:
The point is, people with money ALWAYS have an advantage, whether it's NASCAR, basketball or thumb wrestling. I will also caution you to look around at all the drivers with "money and or connections" that are basically sitting at home today watching others race because unless you're Paul Menard, at some point you have to be good enough to attract your own money. Chase Elliott has been getting paid by other people to drive race cars since he was 15 years old, and I promise you that the fact of who his dad is only got him so far. If not for talent, he would likely be watching the races like Brandon McReynolds, Jeb Burton, Jon Wood, Kerry Earnhardt and about fifty other guys you could name. As for Danica, you can say she "bought" her NASCAR ride, but Go Daddy didn't owe her a thing, and I'm sure when they signed on they thought she would be a LOT more successful. That's no different than any other racer, and she certainly got her Indycar rides on her potential.
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I get it.. the sports are just different.. I just wanted to state that.. it’s all good though , I still love NASCAR !! Can’t wait for Daytona!!
 
Kyle is huge in the sport on every level. I see so many kids with his M&M or any other Mars sponsored product with his name on it. Kyle has a lot of fans and IMHO probably comes second to JJ in terms of fandom.

You have to capitalize on a new generation as well because of the huge influx of youth. Elliott, Jones, Saurez, Blaney, Wallace, Bowman, Byron, Larson, I'd put Logano on the list as well. Change is inevitable, it comes and goes all the time.
 
Kyle Busch.....

“It is bothersome. We’ve paid our dues, and our sponsors have and everything else, and all you’re doing is advertising all these younger guys for fans to figure out and pick up on and choose as their favorite driver,” he said.

“I think it’s stupid. But I don’t know, I’m not the marketing genius that’s behind this deal. You know, I just do what I can do, and my part of it is what my part is.”



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I agree with Kyle Busch.

When Jimmie Johnson won five straight championships, NASCAR and the media were hyping up Joey Logano as the future Jeff Gordon, then started hyping Chase Elliott up as a future greatest driver ever in the history of ever of all time. Meanwhile, Jimmie Johnson was making history left and right.
 
Kiante said:
Kyle is huge in the sport on every level. I see so many kids with his M&M or any other Mars sponsored product with his name on it. Kyle has a lot of fans and IMHO probably comes second to JJ in terms of fandom.

You have to capitalize on a new generation as well because of the huge influx of youth. Elliott, Jones, Saurez, Blaney, Wallace, Bowman, Byron, Larson, I'd put Logano on the list as well. Change is inevitable, it comes and goes all the time.
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I'd say Chase Elliott has more fans than every other driver combined realistically. He inherited Bill Elliott's fanbase, Jeff Gordon's fanbase and Dale Jr's fanbase.

But Kyle and Jimmie both aren't marketed at all by NASCAR. Jimmie's won seven championships and Kyle's done great things too -- probably the two greatest drivers of the last two or three generations for different reasons.
 
Spotter22 said:
Just because you get a good ride doesnt mean your last name will carry you if you dont show talent. You can bust on Elliott all you want but the kid is very good and WILL be a winner. One well placed bumper already told us that.
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Kyle Petty and Michael Waltrip disagree...

If you're a marketing machine you can milk this sport all you want.
 
Speedbowl14 said:
Kyle Petty and Michael Waltrip disagree...

If you're a marketing machine you can milk this sport all you want.
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Kyle Petty was damn near a championship contender when his Dad's team was in freefall.

I never thought as Kyle being a "bad driver", but he was something to watch a lot of fun to watch.
 
I think Chase will do just fine. Of all the legacy drivers I remember, he's probably one of the best prepared for Cup competition. I always liked Kyle Petty, but I recall people questioning his commitment to racing. People complained he never paid his dues, he started off at the top and such. He did pretty well for himself. There were a couple of years when the Cup series showed up to Rockingham., he was tough to beat. Dale Jarrett, I think is the only champion whose father was the series champ also. I believe Davey Allison would have won a title or two, I wished Earnhardt Jr. could have won one or two. Larry Pearson won titles in the BGN series, Stephen Wallace.....well that's another story. I think Chase will win this year. I don't think he's under enormous pressure to win, he's plenty smart enough to know he needs to. Winning drivers go to the front early in their career, he's done that. But a driver can only be a "prospect" for so long. If he hasn't won in a couple years from now, could be a problem. I can't imagine that happening though. EDIT! almost forgot about one of my new favorites, Ryan Blaney. That kid might become a superstar, i hope so anyway.
 
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Kiante said:
Kyle Petty was damn near a championship contender when his Dad's team was in freefall.

I never thought as Kyle being a "bad driver", but he was something to watch a lot of fun to watch.
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Let me clarify...Kyle Petty from 1996 onward with 3 top 5's despite running the full season the majority of those years.
 
I sorta get where Kyle “Sh#thead” Busch is coming from. He has earned major respect for his record and he isn’t exactly over the hill. But, every sport markets their up and comers. In Chase and Blaney, they have two guys who are demonstrating their racing chops at a young age while also bringing personality to the sport. That is important. Kyle has to be who he is, which is the black hat bad boy, so that’s just part of the show too. It is part of who he is, but he also embraces that role..and good for him to recognize that. Fact is, Kyle is a tremendous driver, despite his ugly persona.
 
Conover said:
I sorta get where Kyle “Sh#thead” Busch is coming from. He has earned major respect for his record and he isn’t exactly over the hill. But, every sport markets their up and comers. In Chase and Blaney, they have two guys who are demonstrating their racing chops at a young age while also bringing personality to the sport. That is important. Kyle has to be who he is, which is the black hat bad boy, so that’s just part of the show too. It is part of who he is, but he also embraces that role..and good for him to recognize that. Fact is, Kyle is a tremendous driver, despite his ugly persona.
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Personality? Hahahahaha those two are bland as hell.
 
Honestly, this is going to be an interesting project for NASCAR going forward. How can you effectively market and introduce the younger drivers without being overbearing while simultaneously promoting the guys like Kyle Busch and Brad K who are still the best the sport has to offer and will be around for the foreseeable future? Much like people got tired of Gordon, Earnhardt, Danica, etc. in the past they will inevitably become disenchanted with the young guys if they're thrown in everyone's face too much.
 
Pretty interesting the Kyle is whining for attention, and IMO Elliott has done very little to get the fans he has. Could have turned his run in with Hambone into a media circus of trash talking but didn't. Some people appreciate Kyle being Kyle. Way more appreciate Chase being Chase.
 
mack said:
Jimmy Spencer has a son that races? I must have missed that.
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He did. I worked with him in the Hooters Pro Cup Series, he wanted to be like his dad and make him proud but he didnt have the fight in him to keep on. He was talked down too, bullied by other drivers because of his name. A good kid, a respectful kid and it pisses me off when i think of all the people who didnt even know him, put him down. He was a good KID. I better shut up. Damn
 
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Spotter22 said:
Steven Wallace and Jimmy Spencer Jr disagree. Waltrip and Petty won races.
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Steven Wallace is a damn good racecar driver. The hate for him pisses me off. He's won the Snowball Derby for crying out loud.

I know his career in NASCAR didn't pan out but he's a hell of a racer in Super Late Models.
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
Steven Wallace is a damn good racecar driver. The hate for him pisses me off. He's won the Snowball Derby for crying out loud.

I know his career in NASCAR didn't pan out but he's a hell of a racer in Super Late Models.
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Just FYI, I wasnt hating on Steven, I know and helped him. Was just making a point that not all will make it no matter the name.
 
Spotter22 said:
Just FYI, I wasnt hating on Steven, I know and helped him. Was just making a point that not all will make it no matter the name.
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I assumed you weren't, just wanted to get it off my chest.

I like Steven myself. He's always been a good guy to me. As for his antics, I'll say the same thing about him that I say about Kyle Busch, I watch racing to be entertained and he entertains me. Can throw Stephen Nasse, another genuinely great person, and Jake Crum in that class as well.
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
I assumed you weren't, just wanted to get it off my chest.

I like Steven myself. He's always been a good guy to me. As for his antics, I'll say the same thing about him that I say about Kyle Busch, I watch racing to be entertained and he entertains me. Can throw Stephen Nasse, another genuinely great person, and Jake Crum in that class as well.
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Its all good, no problem. Tell Steven he still owes me a case of beer he and his buddies drank while me and Jimmy Spencer were running the 500 at Charlotte I left at the Motor Coach
 
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