2021 Silly Season

Kiante said:
Yeah, but think of the situation with Anthony Alfredo. He's a part of Austin Dillon's management team, hence Alfredo getting the 21 car on a part-time basis. Preece has been affiliated with Harvick for a while, so why not keep his driver his team manages under the same umbrella as Harvick?

Keeps the team open for that SHR-Biaggi ride as well.

@aunty dive it did not, Goodyear isn't going anywhere, anytime soon. I've had a pair of Achilles tires before, I wish I had not afterwards.
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anybody can drive for SHR or anybody else for that matter unless they are under a contract. Preece is not driving anything associated with SHR or Harvick now. Alfredo drove a Toyota for Gilliland last year, and now a Chevy for Childress this year. Ain't no pipeline or at least much of one.
 
StandOnIt said:
anybody can drive for SHR or anybody else for that matter unless they are under a contract. Preece is not driving anything associated with SHR or Harvick now
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It's just a rumor at this moment, but things can change quickly.

Remember, Alfredo was affiliated with Toyota and switched to Chevy pretty quickly. We'll see, its all hearsay, but I'm wondering how everything falls into place if Utter is actually correct.
 
Kiante said:
Yeah, but think of the situation with Anthony Alfredo. He's a part of Austin Dillon's management team, hence Alfredo getting the 21 car on a part-time basis. Preece has been affiliated with Harvick for a while, so why not keep his driver his team manages under the same umbrella as Harvick?

Keeps the team open for that SHR-Biaggi ride as well.

@aunty dive it did not, Goodyear isn't going anywhere, anytime soon. I've had a pair of Achilles tires before, I wish I had not afterwards.
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Biaggi is no longer a part of the team.
 
Kiante said:
It's just a rumor at this moment, but things can change quickly.

Remember, Alfredo was affiliated with Toyota and switched to Chevy pretty quickly. We'll see, its all hearsay, but I'm wondering how everything falls into place if Utter is actually correct.
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I don't know if it came from the same source, but Briscoe would move into the 32 with more SHR support. Seems like from everything I've read Bowyer will not be back in the 14, so I wouldn't be shocked if Larson ends up there. I guess Bowyer to the 37 if he still wants to drive. Maybe the 42 if he can bring Rush with him.
 
StandOnIt said:
What pipeline? remember Reddick, or Gragson who they used to race for?
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That’s true. But most of the time, a driver stays within the same line. It’s something rare nowadays. Most of the time the change comes because they have to many drivers moving up and not enough cars.


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I wouldn't be surprised if Briscoe bails. I seriously doubt SHR is going to make room for him under their roof. Cendric is another. Penske has a full house with a kicker in the 21
 
Ford Racing said:
I don't know if it came from the same source, but Briscoe would move into the 32 with more SHR support. Seems like from everything I've read Bowyer will not be back in the 14, so I wouldn't be shocked if Larson ends up there. I guess Bowyer to the 37 if he still wants to drive. Maybe the 42 if he can bring Rush with him.
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Or drive himself into the FOX booth
 
Ford Racing said:
I don't know if it came from the same source, but Briscoe would move into the 32 with more SHR support. Seems like from everything I've read Bowyer will not be back in the 14, so I wouldn't be shocked if Larson ends up there. I guess Bowyer to the 37 if he still wants to drive. Maybe the 42 if he can bring Rush with him.
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Rush Truck Center is Tony's sponsor.

I personally think Clint will end up in the 14 or retiring IMO, the whole HScott situation probably left a bad taste for him with a mid-field car. However, JTG and HScott are two completely different teams.
 
Blaze said:
That’s true. But most of the time, a driver stays within the same line. It’s something rare nowadays. Most of the time the change comes because they have to many drivers moving up and not enough cars.


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I could go on down thru there and name a few more. There is always way more talent than seats and all bets are off when it comes to filling them. I think some of you were Toyota'd into thinking there is this pipeline thing while you are watching it crumble before your eyes. They couldn't reinvent the wheel.
 
StandOnIt said:
I wouldn't be surprised if Briscoe bails. I seriously doubt SHR is going to make room for him under their roof. Cendric is another. Penske has a full house with a kicker in the 21
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I think it would be difficult for Cindric to leave Penske given the family ties, but they will have to make room if he continues to progress. Perhaps expanding to four Cup cars is more likely after the switch to Next Gen. Keselowski's extension was also only for one more year.
 
DaBiff1618 said:
I think Larson to the 14 is happening, too much smoke there yesterday for it not to be a thing. Sounds like LaJoie is going to the 37 and I could see Briscoe going to the 32 for a year or two
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NASCAR has to reinstate him first. If their track record is any indication as to their future decisions that have a social effect, they’ll make a knee-jerk decision influenced by under-qualified minds.
 
Kiante said:
Rush Truck Center is Tony's sponsor.

I personally think Clint will end up in the 14 or retiring IMO, the whole HScott situation probably left a bad taste for him with a mid-field car. However, JTG and HScott are two completely different teams.
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I know it's Tony's sponsor, but I seem to recall they're the ones who wanted Bowyer in the 14 this year.
 
ChexOrWrex said:
NASCAR has to reinstate him first. If their track record is any indication as to their future decisions that have a social effect, they’ll make a knee-jerk decision influenced by under-qualified minds.
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Larson can make peace with NASCAR. I hope he does. His mistake has cost him dearly. I think corporate America is a harder sell in the current political climate.

If he doesn’t, I’ll get a @floracing subscription to watch him run the dirt. There’s no denying the talent.
 
ChexOrWrex said:
NASCAR has to reinstate him first. If their track record is any indication as to their future decisions that have a social effect, they’ll make a knee-jerk decision influenced by under-qualified minds.
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and what knee jerk reaction would that be?
 
StandOnIt said:
and what knee jerk reaction would that be?
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Making up a story to one of their employees that he was the target of a racial threat and sending that story to the press nationwide before vetting it for any evidence or merit, creating an actual victim in the process.

aunty dive said:
Larson can make peace with NASCAR. I hope he does. His mistake has cost him dearly. I think corporate America is a harder sell in the current political climate.

If he doesn’t, I’ll get a @floracing subscription to watch him run the dirt. There’s no denying the talent.
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NASCAR is corporate America. We shall see.

Have they ever returned Jeremy’s calls?
 
The thing with Larson is, if he ends up in the 14 car or similar, this whole situation may have been a "textbook" demonstration of a blessing in disguise for him, as he was likely too loyal to leave CGR for a better ride otherwise
 
Charlie Spencer said:
11th Commandment - Thou shalt not speak ill of thy sponsor, lest thou becomest known to all for this.

Especially a short-term sponsor who won't be around to trouble your soul week after week. Especially with a small, underfunded team.
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Disagree- sometimes you have to follow your moral compass. If memory serves me correctly- Kyle Petty missed out on some Busch Clashes because his mother was against alcohol advertising. ( looking back it's interesting that participating in "Winston" cup wasn't an issue.)
 
ChexOrWrex said:
Making up a story to one of their employees that he was the target of a racial threat and sending that story to the press nationwide before vetting it for any evidence or merit, creating an actual victim in the process.
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no I was talking about the decision to let Larson or not back into the series...what knee jerk reaction would that be?
 
StandOnIt said:
no I was talking about the decision to let Larson or not back into the series...what knee jerk reaction would that be?
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Only thing I can think of (speaking for myself) is reinstating him because he has made clear efforts to make amends for his actions. That "knee jerk" reaction could upset A LOT of people who support the BLM movement and could create a very negative media frenzy for the sport.
 
For Larson to win back sponsors he will need his own redemption story. His former team mate Kurt Busch practically wrote the book on redeeming an image and career.

Now if I were the NASCAR puppet master, it would go like this.

Larson tears up the dirt world for another season.

Bowyer gives it all in a “Last Dance” 2021 season.

After retiring, Bowyer goes to the booth to drive Jeff Gordon crazy (to the delight of many of us).

Larson then takes the wheel of the #14 with the narrative of he’s a changed man, a dirt car legend, and now a supreme driving talent poised to tackle the new Gen 7 car no one has extensive experience in.

End, roll credits.
 
I'm really not wanting to see another season with Bowyer in the 14 car. No, no and no to him going around on a retirement tour next season. Always hated the retirement tour thing like with Jeff Gordon snd Tony Stewart, it's goofy and put on. Thankfully the pandemic didn't allow it with Jimmie Johnson. In a perfect world everyone would walk away like Carl Edwards did with no fanfare. Anyways, what a waste of a good seat that'd be for Bowyer to have another mediocre season at SHR. I'm all for Larson to the 14 if they can make it happen.
 
TommyGunn said:
Disagree- sometimes you have to follow your moral compass.
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You don't need to publicly open your mouth to follow your moral compass. Take it up with the owner in private. If necessary, take the week off unpaid.

The Pettys never signed with an alcohol company and then spoke against it. They made the proactive decision to not sign alcohol companies, and accepted the loss of potential financial gains from the associated bonus programs. The decisions were made up front by the team management, not questioned by a driver after the check was signed and the car painted.
 
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Charlie Spencer said:
You don't need to publicly open your mouth to follow your moral compass. Take it up with the owner in private. If necessary, take the week off unpaid.

The Pettys never signed with an alcohol company and then spoke against it. They made the proactive decision to not sign alcohol companies, and accepted the loss of potential financial gains from the associated bonus programs. The decisions were made up front by the team management, not questioned by a driver after the check was signed and the car painted.
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Respectfully disagree- If you feel strongly enough about something and are in the position to have a public forum (like a nascar driver) i have no problem with someone speaking up. Hell, shout it from the rooftops if it's important enough to you! Remember a boxer named Muhammed Ali- he certainly wasn't afraid to speak up.
 
TommyGunn said:
Respectfully disagree
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Yeah, we're good! :cheers:
TommyGunn said:
If you feel strongly enough about something and are in the position to have a public forum (like a nascar driver) i have no problem with someone speaking up. Hell, shout it from the rooftops if it's important enough to you! Remember a boxer named Muhammed Ali- he certainly wasn't afraid to speak up.
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Muhammed Ali didn't work for anyone else. Ali didn't have an employer dependent on sponsors to pay the bills. Ali spoke out knowing the only ass on the line was his. LaJoie's (or any other driver's) words critical of a sponsor can make it difficult for the owners to secure funding.

Even Colin Capernick isn't a viable comparison to LaJoie. The 49ers aren't dependent on sponsors to keep operating. Increasing the profit margin, but not actually day-to-day operations. The 49ers participate in a revenue sharing plan with 31 other teams, a plan designed to help all teams stay financially healthy, and a draft system to keep them competitive. No such plans exists in NASCAR; GoFAS, like every other team, is on its own for money and talent.

Please note I am not passing judgment pro or con on the content of Cory's comments in this discussion (or Ali's or Capernick's either).
 
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Charlie Spencer said:
Yeah, we're good! :cheers:

Muhammed Ali didn't work for anyone else. Ali didn't have an employer dependent on sponsors to pay the bills. Ali spoke out knowing the only ass on the line was his. LaJoie's (or any other driver's) words critical of a sponsor can make it difficult for the owners to secure funding.

Even Colin Capernick isn't a viable comparison to LaJoie. The 49ers aren't dependent on sponsors to keep operating. Increasing the profit margin, but not actually day-to-day operations. The 49ers participate in a revenue sharing plan with 31 other teams, a plan designed to help all teams stay financially healthy, and a draft system to keep them competitive. No such plans exists in NASCAR; GoFAS, like every other team, is on its own for money and talent.

Please note I am not passing judgment pro or con on the content of Cory's comments in this discussion (or Ali's or Capernick's either).
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Fair enough
 
StandOnIt said:
All Larson has to do now is get reinstated. It appears he has been working hard on that outside of Nascar's requirements for doing so, and he has been doing that on his own. Stewart got the ball rolling and put Nascar on notice. Coincidentally? (not) Fryer puts together an in depth article about Larson's actions in that area, and during that same period Larson requests Nascar for reinstatement to the series. Not if but when Larson gets reinstated, it doesn't matter if he has sponsor this, or OEM that IMO. Larson out there as a free agent? Laughable, how long would he be loose if yung money wants to be in the series. I think Larson has something lined up, don't know who, don't know where or what, but even if he has nothing someone will hire him to drive for them.
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Larson will win championships for SHR, if he ends up there imo. No doubt about it.

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jaqua19 said:
Larson will win championships for SHR, if he ends up there imo. No doubt about it.

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I think they'll have to change the cars in order for that to happen. I think Larson shows his talent in a high horsepower machine that you have to drive, not these 550 dogs that you run wide open. Look at the hp to weight ratio of everything that he's been winning in all summer

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wi_racefan said:
I think they'll have to change the cars in order for that to happen. I think Larson shows his talent in a high horsepower machine that you have to drive, not these 550 dogs that you run wide open. Look at the hp to weight ratio of everything that he's been winning in all summer

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Professionals with his skills adapt.

Or they find employment elsewhere.
 
wi_racefan said:
I think they'll have to change the cars in order for that to happen. I think Larson shows his talent in a high horsepower machine that you have to drive, not these 550 dogs that you run wide open. Look at the hp to weight ratio of everything that he's been winning in all summer

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Sorry Bud I disagree. When Larson reaches the top rung of the food chain, Nascar cup, he is in with top talent whatever they drive. There are a bunch of them "showing their talent". I have no idea if you have been paying attention over the years, but there have been F-1, Indycar champions, motocross stars, dirt sprints, on and on who have all tried their hand at Nascar racing..and there haven't been any standouts for years and years.
 
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