2024 Next Gen Car

These cars are a failure on road courses and short tracks. Maybe they need to go back to the late 70's and early 80's when teams had two different body styles for short tracks and road courses and another for superspeedways.
 
MRM said:
These cars are a failure on road courses and short tracks. Maybe they need to go back to the late 70's and early 80's when teams had two different body styles for short tracks and road courses and another for superspeedways.
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I’d be okay with this. Honestly a non symmetrical car would be great on short tracks, it’d help push dirty air towards the infield
 
The Xfinity race was an infinity times better than the Cup race this week. Was it really just the tires' fault?
 
Jimbo Slice said:
The Xfinity race was an infinity times better than the Cup race this week. Was it really just the tires' fault?
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The Xfinity race was two times better than the Cup race because it had two competitive drivers. Elliott's two charges from 10th provided some extra entertainment in the Cup race but beyond that, TV didn't show us much happening in the rest of the field for either race.
 
Charlie Spencer said:
The Xfinity race was two times better than the Cup race because it had two competitive drivers. Elliott's two charges from 10th provided some extra entertainment in the Cup race but beyond that, TV didn't show us much happening in the rest of the field for either race.
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Two times better?
 
Charlie Spencer said:
Two competitive drivers in the X race vs. one in the Cup. Certainly not infinite, and I'm not sure how it could be attributed to the tires.

Okay, maybe 1.5 times better if we count Chase as semi-competitive.
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Making the Cup tire the same width as the old tire would probably help, but that's not happening anytime soon.
 
If they do this or bury it, my guess is 750 for the small tracks. Let them burn the tires off trying to pass each other Goodyear will just make a harder tire. They have been here before. If people want to see high HP with passing go watch a 410 sprint race. It ain't going to happen with the taxi cabs. Goodyear isn't going to make a tire that will fail like the 410's have or any dirt series for that matter. I don't see any of the pavement stuff doing it.
 
StandOnIt said:
If they do this or bury it, my guess is 750 for the small tracks. Let them burn the tires off trying to pass each other Goodyear will just make a harder tire. They have been here before. If people want to see high HP with passing go watch a 410 sprint race. It ain't going to happen with the taxi cabs. Goodyear isn't going to make a tire that will fail like the 410's have or any dirt series for that matter. I don't see any of the pavement stuff doing it.
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The 15 inch tires weren't failing when they had 900+ hp. Get rid of the current junk. The brake package & single nut wheels suck.
 
Denny talked about the tire test earlier this year at Iowa with Briscoe in his car, said Goodyear brought two tires to the test. The one they used last Sunday and a softer one that fell off 2 to 2.5 seconds after 20 or so laps. They opted to use the harder one for last Sunday.
 
rd45usa said:
Denny talked about the tire test earlier this year at Iowa with Briscoe in his car, said Goodyear brought two tires to the test. The one they used last Sunday and a softer one that fell off 2 to 2.5 seconds after 20 or so laps. They opted to use the harder one for last Sunday.
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Of course they did.

IMO, Goodyear is by far the biggest problem with the current car.
 
2 Sweet said:
Of course they did.

IMO, Goodyear is by far the biggest problem with the current car.
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Trying to fix the car with tires is like putting lipstick on a pig. It makes it look a little better, but its still a pig. The front a mile in the air and the back on the ground will never produce great racing on these tracks
 
How much money have Goodyear and the teams spent developing the 18” tire and current brake packages?

So … just toss all the data and start over? So easy to spend other people’s money.
 
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Hey, Jr, there aren't any spoilers rolling around on the street either, but plenty of after-market wings. Hell, there aren't many sedans on the road, for that matter, and darn few models with V-8s. For what 2-door V-8 sedans you do see on the street, none of them require the drivers to climb in through the windows.

Look at every other racing series and tell me how many 5-lug wheels you see. That's what you should be comparing with. For better or worse, NASCAR race cars haven't had any connection to street cars in decades, but go ahead and single out that one comparison.
 
The complaint stems from what drivers are saying about the tire. With a taller sidewall they said they could tell the edge better. With the shorter sidewall it is good until it isn't. The point being for me is that none of the teams want to make the car easier to drive, they have little if nothing suspension, they are slammed down to the ground and IMO anything the teams get for a car they will figure out a way to make it fast but mostly un-drivable and blame Nascar. Rinse and repeat.
 
StandOnIt said:
The complaint stems from what drivers are saying about the tire. With a taller sidewall they said they could tell the edge better. With the shorter sidewall it is good until it isn't.
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That makes plenty of sense but I don't see what the sidewall height has to do with the number of lugs. If the teams want a taller sidewall, does that require going back to five lugs? If not, then why complain about something that has nothing to do with the (perceived) real issue?
 
Charlie Spencer said:
That makes plenty of sense but I don't see what the sidewall height has to do with the number of lugs. If the teams want a taller sidewall, does that require going back to five lugs? If not, then why complain about something that has nothing to do with the (perceived) real issue?
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real issue? There are many real issues to hear some tell it. Being around Nascar for more than a week I know the car continues to be a constantly evolving project and just because Junior or others don't like it doesn't make it so. Preece thinks they need a 1000 H.P. maybe more. Seems like everybody has an opinion. Does anybody know how much money it would take to pull 1000 H.P. out of a small block? Lets see, new engine for practice, might need one for qualifying, new engine for the race, do that 40 times per car.
 
aunty dive said:
How much money have Goodyear and the teams spent developing the 18” tire and current brake packages?

So … just toss all the data and start over? So easy to spend other people’s money.
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That happens in racing all the time. Look at all the Gen6 cars and parts teams unloaded when the Gen7 car started being used.
 
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