'21 Generation 7 Car news

Discussion in 'NASCAR chat' started by StandOnIt, Feb 19, 2019.

  1. Turtle84

    Turtle84 Slow is Fast

    Not running V8's is more of a bummer to me than any hybrid news. I was unaware they plan on further reductions in that way.

    I threw full electric out there as a joke, but it sounds like it should be part of my long term concern as well as a fan, if they head down this road of catering to the manufacturers and open pandora's box of bringing on a hybrid system with a reduced V6, do they set the table for eventually moving over completely, if that is what the manufacturers start requesting 20 years down the road? I would definitely have to reconsider if NASCAR took it that far.
     
  2. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    so far they haven't changed a thing.
     
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  3. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

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  4. Turtle84

    Turtle84 Slow is Fast

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  5. LewTheShoe

    LewTheShoe Team Owner

    Does anyone know how the electric power is deployed in F1 and LMP1? Is it manually activated like a push-to-pass button, or is it just automatically used whenever the driver's right foot asks for maximum power? I think it's the latter. Keselowski's blog seems to be talking about the KERS power boost deploying like push-to-pass. Don't know what I think about that.

    Yes, please, I'll have the "Chef's Special 600 + 50" with low drag, low downforce, and a double order of low side force.

    I'm opposed to heat recovery. First reason: braking is part of racing... in a sporting contest of driver skills, the energy recovery should be from braking. Second reason: heat recovery is complex, expensive, and problematic in F1. Third reason: I love the V-8 Symphony and heat recovery messes that up.
     
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  6. Turtle84

    Turtle84 Slow is Fast

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    FLRacingFan Team Owner

  8. Turtle84

    Turtle84 Slow is Fast

    Just guessing here, but if it is an automatic switch over for nascar's hybrid, then I imagine they will be aiming to roll quiet under electric power on yellow's, coming down pit road, and in/out of the garage area mostly.

    Watching pit stops might be an entirely different feel without them revving engine rpm anymore. Coming to get the green, if there is an immediate transition when asking for max power, how would that affect tire spin, transmission, or other failures? I imagine the electric could be used as an emergency backup system to move off the track depending on damage. What about safety with the batteries? Will they survive a collision? Where will they position them on the car? What is the propensity for electrical fire with them? Many questions to be answered.
     
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  9. FLRacingFan

    FLRacingFan Team Owner

    KERS with the F1 V8s was a button you could push to deploy for something like 6-8 seconds per lap. The deployment of the current F1 hybrids depend on whatever power unit mapping they're using at the time, I think.
     
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  10. FLRacingFan

    FLRacingFan Team Owner

    TL;DR - Not 2021-2022, but definitely down the line.

     
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  11. LewTheShoe

    LewTheShoe Team Owner

    Not gonna happen that way. The internal combustion motor will not switch off. I'm sure of that.
     
  12. DewChaser988

    DewChaser988 NASCAR fan since 1998

    Off throttle time could be where the energy is recovered
     
  13. machinistman3

    machinistman3 Team Owner

    Because of the complex batteries they use, it currently takes more energy to produce an electric car than a conventional one. And, disposing of those batteries creates an environmental hazard.
    Yeah hybrids are the way to go.I think this just as goofy as wind farms. Somebody is getting ready rich.
     
  14. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    pretty much. Planned vehicle obsolescence is good for the money lenders and insurance people along with the OEM's selling the latest whiz bang, but saving energy by crushing cars that are too expensive to fix and replacing them with new ones of any kind takes tons more energy and resources. Some of us are not buying into the hype. Not holding my breath to have simple fixable vehicles built to last any time soon though that are reasonably clean burning.... Coughing from California.
     
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  15. FLRacingFan

    FLRacingFan Team Owner

    NASCAR has to go outside the U.S. for a new OEM as you can only beg and plead for Dodge for so long, and most of the rest of the world has new regulations that are forcing OEMs in that direction. I’m sure a lot of OEMs would love a raw race car but to get board approval for a new race project in this day and age requires some degree of road relevance.

    Most of the higher-ups in F1 say their romantic ideal would just be a high-revving NA V8 or V10 but acknowledge they’d immediately lose power unit suppliers.
     
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  16. FLRacingFan

    FLRacingFan Team Owner

  17. LewTheShoe

    LewTheShoe Team Owner

    That is a Big Deal! Potentially a BOMBSHELL type of thing! I hope that Nascar continues with team-built chassis, not a common spec chassis that all teams must use. Although all Nascar chassis have to fit in a very tight box, I like that a Hendrick chassis has subtle differences from a Penske or a Gibbs... same as the engines. Using a common spec chassis would remove an area of intrigue to me. Just my opinion (and I do recognize that a spec chassis would undoubtedly be lower cost due to less R & D expense).
     
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  18. Charlie Spencer

    Charlie Spencer Short tracks and road courses rule.

    That was ... unexpected.
     
  19. StandOnIt

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    It wasn't that much of a surprise to me. Roger Penske was talking about the ridiculousness of having 10,000 dollar suspension uprights, four different sets of brakes and thousands of dollar driveshafts months ago. I doubt if there will be a whole turn key chassis, but standardized parts and pieces instead, and Dallara is set up to do just that.
     
  20. FLRacingFan

    FLRacingFan Team Owner

    This isn't the first time a concept like this has been brought up, but it was a long while ago.

    https://www.racecar-engineering.com/news/nascar-could-abandon-v8-engines/

    Common tub/monocoque with some other integrated control parts, and then some other chassis bits open for development. There is still a degree of development within IndyCar, and I imagine NASCAR is aiming for a middle ground between the amount of development of what they have now and what IndyCar currently has. I think this also alludes to the idea of Cup adopting the composite bodies being run in lower series now.

    https://www.racecar-engineering.com/articles/dtm-2014-new-bodies-better-racing/
     
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  21. FLRacingFan

    FLRacingFan Team Owner

    Hybrids in NASCAR “a matter of when, not if” says Ford chief
    https://www.motorsport.com/nascar-cup/news/hybrid-nascar-ford-chief-engine/4427029/
     
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  22. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    pretty much what I thought. Some form of "token" hybrid setup if any. About all it will It will accomplish is raising expenses but do very little to change the actual racing for the better. The hybrid will be politically correct enough to keep the environmentalists at bay.
     
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  23. machinistman3

    machinistman3 Team Owner

    Racing uses a minute amount of fuel and natural resources compared to the rest of civilization if they want to go greener make it up somewhere else. I see so many issues with hybrid power I wouldn’t know where to begin.
     
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  24. Johali

    Johali Team Owner Contributor

    It's already hybrid power. It burns fuel to turn the alternator to charge the battery and make electricity to fire the plugs. :confused:
     
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  25. StandOnIt

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  26. Ventisca

    Ventisca Team Owner

    Excellent -- I've been Hybrid clean and green since my days of driving a used up 69 Dodge Charger! Yes, it was literally green (paint).
     
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  27. FLRacingFan

    FLRacingFan Team Owner

    Ferrari and Porsche to join NASCAR confirmed.
     
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  28. Charlie Spencer

    Charlie Spencer Short tracks and road courses rule.

    Source, please.
     
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  29. Turtle84

    Turtle84 Slow is Fast

    O'DonnellVisitsLeMans.com
     
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  30. AdoubleU24

    AdoubleU24 Team Owner

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  31. 2 Sweet

    2 Sweet Legend

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  32. AdoubleU24

    AdoubleU24 Team Owner

    Trying to figure out where "poor sales" comes in to play. I see multiple of them every time I'm on the road down here.
     
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  33. 2 Sweet

    2 Sweet Legend

    The Challenger and Mustang are beating the Camaro in sales, but the Camaro is the better car IMO. Dodge and Ford have better advertising and sales incentives. That being said, Chevrolet is still making a profit from the Camaro and it's not going anywhere anytime soon, despite Mary Barra's ridiculous idea to waste a sh!t ton of money on autonomous nonsense.
     
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  34. DanicaFreak

    DanicaFreak Green monster

  35. machinistman3

    machinistman3 Team Owner

    Chevrolet giving up racing?What will they race the Malibu?They must be getting out of NASCAR. GM is run by clowns these days.
     
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  36. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    The Caddy[​IMG]
     
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  37. machinistman3

    machinistman3 Team Owner

    That would be the only thing they would have left besides the Vette.
     
  38. Charlie Spencer

    Charlie Spencer Short tracks and road courses rule.

    I don't think I could stop laughing at a Corvette brand on a Cup car.
     
  39. JohnHill

    JohnHill Rusty Wallace & Terry Labonte Rule!

    I was just going to start the summer time ‘dodge back to nascar’ rumor the other day... normally early June would have been a good time to bring it up... at least it’s before July.
     
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  40. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    Almost as funny as a Supra in Xfinity.
     

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