'21 Generation 7 Car news

StandOnIt said:
I'm glad that it looks like a done deal to get the composite bodies in cup
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The Bob Pockrass tweet is phrased as if it's all a done deal... spec chassis as well as composite bodies... "Teams will be buying 2021 car chassis and body (composite body, like the Xfinity cars) and other parts and pieces from vendors."

All other reporting to date has said these things are being considered but nothing is yet final. I wonder if Pockrass is breaking a scoop, or maybe just careless in how he phrased his tweet? No other media outlets are reporting what Pockrass said, AFAIK. But regardless of whether final decisions have been made, it certainly seems the tide is shifting toward both spec chassis and composite bodies.
 
Spec chassis could actually be built by a couple of cup teams and sold to those under manufacture's. JGR could get the licence for all Toyota's, HMS for all GM cars and Penske or RFR for the Fords.
 
LewTheShoe said:
The Bob Pockrass tweet is phrased as if it's all a done deal... spec chassis as well as composite bodies... "Teams will be buying 2021 car chassis and body (composite body, like the Xfinity cars) and other parts and pieces from vendors."

All other reporting to date has said these things are being considered but nothing is yet final. I wonder if Pockrass is breaking a scoop, or maybe just careless in how he phrased his tweet? No other media outlets are reporting what Pockrass said, AFAIK. But regardless of whether final decisions have been made, it certainly seems the tide is shifting toward both spec chassis and composite bodies.
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Out of all of them Pockrass to me is the most honest and reliable source with Stern a close second. I read a long time ago they were thinking about a spec chassis, Penske was talking about the outlandish costs of suspension uprights and driveshafts etc around the first of this year, but I haven't heard too much about the composite bodies until Pockrass tweeted it. I guess Delarta will be making the chassis. Pretty sobering when Penske said it costs around 3 million for a season of Indycar compared to 16 million or more for a cup car. Sure I doubt it will ever be that cheap for a cup car, but there is plenty of wiggle room between 3 and 16 million.
 
Snappy D said:
Hope it’s proper to post this here. Yikes.
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Nope. They've played this game in K&N and Modifieds and it's a total joke. The K&N cars have breaks for 5 minutes where you can pit. I'm not sure if live pit stops are allowed. The Whelen Modified Tour does live pit stops with a bunch of stupid rules but they're still live pit stops at least.

Also I look at the human factor. My understanding is that the larger Xfinity/Truck teams still use guys dedicated to pit crew work rather than "Mike who works on the suspension oh and he'll be the jackman during the race". What happens to those guys who's job is to be the pit crew? What about the Cup teams where they are such "pit road specialists" they pit Xfinity and Truck teams...how much less pay do they get working 1/3rd of their former job?
 
Acs said:
I mean, do we really need pit stops in ARCA or K&N?
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My understanding is that K&N (which is eating ARCA next year) will still be considered a regional series as it is now. I won't say I'm 100% sure I'm correct but I'm damn well close enough to say this is referring to trucks/Xfinity.
 
Here is what they do with the Xfinity bodies. I would think they will do the same with Cup bodies as far as letting teams mess with them.

Compliance
NASCAR says that the teams are all for the new bodies, but this is a true win-win. NASCAR’s had big issues policing the garage this year, with growing consternation over encumbered wins and rising calls for taking away wins if the winning car hasn’t followed the rules. It just looks bad. The new body greatly decreases opportunities for the teams to mess around with the car. No bondo is allowed, not even to close up the cracks where the panels meet. No sanding is allowed. The panels are rigid up to 200+ mph, which means no flexing at speed, not matter how much you switch around the bracing.

The composite panels are also rigid when standing still, which means a pit crew member “accidentally” bumping into the side of the car to adjust the aerodynamics is just going to end up sore. The panel won’t budge.

To make sure teams aren’t testing the limits of The Aerodynamic Box, NASCAR put some security features on the body. The pic below (as well as the full body one above) are from a NESN source.

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https://i2.wp.com/buildingspeed.org...ads/2017/09/BSPEED_2017_09_SecurityPanel2.png
 
StandOnIt said:
Out of all of them Pockrass to me is the most honest and reliable source with Stern a close second. I read a long time ago they were thinking about a spec chassis, Penske was talking about the outlandish costs of suspension uprights and driveshafts etc around the first of this year, but I haven't heard too much about the composite bodies until Pockrass tweeted it. I guess Delarta will be making the chassis. Pretty sobering when Penske said it costs around 3 million for a season of Indycar compared to 16 million or more for a cup car. Sure I doubt it will ever be that cheap for a cup car, but there is plenty of wiggle room between 3 and 16 million.
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Teams can run a car on 10 million, just not a winning car. Take some of the smaller costs away and they can be more competitive.
 
"they can be more competitive"

we'll see, reducing costs for everybody just makes it easier for losing teams to operate -- it doesn't suddenly make them more competitive or winners. Cost containment strategies have already been introduced but the big Teams like JGR, Penske, SHR and even HMS just keep piling up the Wins. It seems the smaller teams only hope might be an investment in "rain dancing"...
 
Its entertaining reading the NASCAR subredddit, so many people there think that in 2021 with all these proposed changes that we are going to see 40 race cars battling it out for the win each weekend.

The top teams are still going to be the top teams, and the back markers are still going to be the back markers in 2021.

*The TL/DR of my post is, I am basically agreeing with Aunty.
 
Cup needs to run two classes during the race -- A and B; instead of trying to dumb down A so B teams can afford to race. Different points and championship. This way NASCAR gets its 40+ car field, small teams have a chance to get their feet wet without the huge A Cup investment, Fans get their people's champ like Yeley or LaJoie, Advertisers get to run their Billboards for the Start as well as when A Cuppers run down B Cuppers in the same camera shot.


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or embrace the 30 car field where ~20 are properly resourced and supported teams...
 
Should only have the charter teams in the race. 36 cars is plenty enough for a good race. I'd say maybe 6 races that are open to non charter teams throughout the year.
 
Ventisca said:
small teams have a chance to get their feet wet without the huge A Cup investment,
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The solution to that is to run Xfinity, but that won't happen until the payouts increase at the lower levels. As long as a team can get a better return for running at the bottom of Cup vs top 10 in X, there will be teams willing to run around at the back at minimum speed.
 
Charlie Spencer said:
The solution to that is to run Xfinity, but that won't happen until the payouts increase at the lower levels. As long as a team can get a better return for running at the bottom of Cup vs top 10 in X, there will be teams willing to run around at the back at minimum speed.
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Hard for any new team to compete with teams using cup drivers and teams.
 
The car from 2016-2018 did that same exact thing.

I'm not understanding how that is groundbreaking when the previous packages did that same exact deal. Some guys struggled passing on the inside and sometimes air was taken off of that left rear quarter panel causing occasional spins.

Now, going into 2021 with the new car will do the same exact thing without taking air off of the car on the outside or inside car getting loose. I'm unsure about the end goal with this because it sounds like a literal circle NASCAR has already been through.

This is all interesting, I'm extremely curious about the finished product. Yet, I can't help but feel this will be another high-downforce car...
 
Kiante said:
The car from 2016-2018 did that same exact thing.

I'm not understanding how that is groundbreaking when the previous packages did that same exact deal. Some guys struggled passing on the inside and sometimes air was taken off of that left rear quarter panel causing occasional spins.

Now, going into 2021 with the new car will do the same exact thing without taking air off of the car on the outside or inside car getting loose. I'm unsure about the end goal with this because it sounds like a literal circle NASCAR has already been through.

This is all interesting, I'm extremely curious about the finished product. Yet, I can't help but feel this will be another high-downforce car...
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one thing is for sure, the RF aero experts will have plenty to say about it.
 
Talk about a tease... Gosh damn why, I wanted to see the whole thing like yesterday:

Good job social media team.
 
Cold Air Intakes? Fast & Furious meets NASCAR? Like the normal looking door sills. The wheels...I dunno. Tires look a little narrow...or just the angle.
Anyway, change is coming and it's coming BIG.
 
Wow, a diffuser on a stock car? And that small rear decklid looks very mustang-ish.

 
ChexOrWrex said:
Only thing gen 7 about this test car are the 18” wheels and the chassis.
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that was my understanding also. But current cup car bodies don't have venting on the hood and those two gizmo's below it in the engine compartment or a rear diffuser. :idunno:
 
StandOnIt said:
that was my understanding also. But current cup car bodies don't have venting on the hood and those two gizmo's below it in the engine compartment or a rear diffuser. :idunno:
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And it sounds like they are moving to a single lug
 
AdoubleU24 said:
Lol single lug. Those damn lug nuts are expensive I tell ya!!
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Maybe 4-man pit crew... gasman, jackman, and two tire changers who carry their own tires. (If Nascar gets rid of 5-lug wheels, you can thank Tony Stewart for bringing it about.)
 
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