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Wow. Wow. Wow. Wowwwwww.
None of this is incriminating but holy ****. A couple dozen texts is all it takes to blow up any future for the sport THEY OWN (for now).
-it reads like even they're surprised at how well the last TV deal went and explicitly say they're ****** for the next one. These texts are probably being passed around with bellowing laughter around the sports media departments of all the networks/streamers right now.
-Every other text being some derivative of "**** Richard Childress" shows the other owners how NASCAR really feels... jeeze.
-The entitlement of these c-suite executives is just oozing. They really do think that the team owners and drivers owe NASCAR. They're a sanctioning body for a sport... NASCAR is supposed to support their members. NASCAR is the one that's supposed to listen to fans/teams/drivers and make the executive decisions based on that. This mentality that "the teams/drivers/fans need to support what we choose" is the smoking gun that many of the changes the past 20 years were pulled out the asses of the executive team.
I don't really want anyone to win right now. Did anyone else read the RTA proposal for the race in Oman? Other than being a total sell-out, and also not what the fans want, it is the most complicated race format in motorsports history, then explicitly states it is not for the "stereotypical American race fan", but rather "a new age of intellectual race fans who will enjoy the strategic and almost mathematical elements of the race". I can say with confidence that that is also pulled out of someone's ass and not backed up by any kind of fact. There is not a race or racing series in the history of motorsports that has benefited from being that freaking complicated- past, present, or future.
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See I don't get that vibe. They had a potential plan in place to delay the start of the 600 for him this year if needed.
Anywho, regarding the texts, yes plenty of people talk privately like this about co-workers, etc., but when you're a top ranking exec of one of the largest sports organizations in the world speaking that way about an owner in your league...well, that's quite different. It's already drawn a public reaction from the fans, how do you think the other owners feel after reading that? IMO Phelps won't have a gig much longer. Probably should've took the LIV golf one, seems to suit him quite a bit.
5 texts from Phelps explicitly call out Childress. "taken out back and flogged" is also one hellova quote. That is a wild way to be texting in any context, let alone a work context, let alone the fact its executives that rely on team owners to have a sport.
Also I find it hilarious that the massive NASCAR legal team never told these guys "hey so if there's ever a lawsuit, as the c-suite for the sport it's pretty likely your texts/emails are going to be seized so try to keep the stuff that looks bad for in-person".
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I don't think it's really incriminating or anything (legally), but this paints Phelps in a terrible light lol. What a moron. Hope he gets fired.
And these were my points previously about the talking s#*+ on competitors, fellow employees or in this case owners; DOING THAT VIA TEXT IS MORONIC. Any emails, texts, documents, have the capability to be exposed via court cases or other situations (hacking or similar). Espousing his thoughts in the moment, frustrations, etc this way is stupid. Phelps certainly crossed a trust barrier, but frankly the plantiff’s did that with NASCAR and some teams long ago.
Still, NONE OF THIS IS ADMISSIBLE IN THE COURT CASE. The jury will not have any of this placed into evidence.
Naitch
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NASCAR is inept and Dennis is an impulsive idiot.
This trial could blow up the entire sport and neither side is willing to put their egos aside and work together to prevent that.
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HoneyBadger
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Jim France, Steve Phelps, Steve O'Donnell and company all made their beds.
Naitch
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They’ll still be rich at the end of the day.
Blaze
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Still don't change the facts fans aren't "cheering for the death of the sport." They just want **** to be better. But some people here get so butt hurt when you criticize anything NASCAR does and act as if they are ran perfect and no changes need to be made.
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What will their incomes look like after shelling out that $340 million?
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I guarantee you that in every major sport the commissioner or whoever talks that way privately about at least one, if not several, owners.
Agreed but it's unprofessional to document it. Inadmissible or not, senior executives have been shown the door for similarly questionable judgement.
Yep, and drama queens be drama queens. We going to 150 easily.
"our fans don't read" someone get that on a t-shirt.
No wonder NASCAR wanted to settle. These guys must've turned pale as ghosts when they learned their internal comms would/could be released.
Win, lose, or draw this court case there's going to be an executive shakeup of epic proportions. How do any of these guys walk into a board room and secure multi-billion dollar deals ever again? They sound like incompetent out-of-touch assholes that reek of desperation and panic. This isn't ruthless corporate decision making its petty, cringe-worthy stuff and insults galore. We've seen 100+ texts already and there's maybe 3 texts that are actual productive thought.
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To be honest with you everything I've seen so far is pretty mild compared to some of the stuff I've heard out of high level people in my own experience.
It's a typical ploy for their lawyers trying to win the case in the eyes of the public opinion. As they say, none of this is admissible in a court of law.
Naitch
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You don’t renovate your house by taking a wrecking ball to it.
The owners should have stood together and refused to sign a charter agreement until they got a fair deal. This lawsuit is a reckless move that could radically alter the sport in a way that makes the CART/IRL split look like a day at Disney World.
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Good thing nobody that reads will ever be on the jury.
Pretty obvious there was an attempt to get the Arabs involved but it failed so I would suspect there wasn't enough support by the other anchor team owners. But that bunch is still in the picture along with other hedge fund operators.
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Yeah I mean if these emails are any indication of the management team in charge, we can do a lot better. I’m cheering and laughing at THEIR downfall not the sport’s. Let’s face it, the NASCAR Honchos are incredibly inept and vindictive. They truly can’t see past the tv money that they negotiate with the networks, they’re good at that at least….in terms of getting a huge monetary number to get their races broadcast.
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I mean yeah, I agree with that? It still doesn't change that KKFan was wrong saying we was cheering for the downfall when we just want NASCAR to be better. You're arguing something completely different my guy.
They have a task ahead of them if it is in Charlotte, it might work in New York.
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They really made HMS wait for that waiver though right? And agreed, high level management in a big time business like nascar talking about their constituents in this manner is a fireable offense.
Naitch
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Also any good lawyer will tell you to never write something you wouldn’t want read on the front page of the newspaper.
Not if they all do it from the top down.
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Sure fair enough. I’m eager to see what that looks like and think we will the longer this goes on.
Again Judge Bell allowed this to happen. I believe it will get appealed to a higher court.
Pretty much this.
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I think there is a lot of validity to that. However, once the majority of owners buckled under pressure from NASCAR and did not stick together, what not reckless option was left for 23XI and FRM to pursue that has any teeth to it?
None of us here are C-suite executives.
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So crap talking other people is acceptable then?
What is the pay level where it is no longer acceptable?
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This is going to push a lot of already strained relationships within the garage beyond the breaking point, imo. At a minimum we are probably due to see wholesale turnover within NASCAR management.
Judge Bell made it well-known it was in everybody’s best interests to settle before the dirty laundry began to air.
Judge Bell made it well-known it was in everybody’s best interests to settle before the dirty laundry began to air.
No, it isn’t, but the repercussions are greater at the upper levels.
It's not the pay grade, it's making the comments in company records in a professional capacity regarding the business's relationships and negotiations. People get canned for that at all levels of the corporate food chain. This isn't comparable with texting about your idiot brother‐in-law burning another steak (unless you're a food critic and he's a professional chef).
Judge Bell could have stopped this from happening.
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These efforts to minimize and distract get pretty silly.
No, it is unprofessional conduct. When one is not a professional, unprofessional conduct has little impact. The higher position of power a person occupies, the more is expected of them. Pretty simple.
I know we can always play the "Look over here at this other thing instead!" game. But the messages are newsworthy and important to the issues at hand. Not so much because of any colorful language they use, but because of the thinking they reveal among NASCAR's executive inner circle. They really were hellbent on eliminating any possible competition, no matter how indirect such as in the case of SRX. Not beating the competition. Erasing them.
What did they do to erase them? It was my understanding the series folded on it's own.
BTW. as Phelps said about Childress, if he is so unsatisfied why didn't he sign the charter and the sell out? I ask that question about 23XI every day.
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I'm likely in the minority for this one but skimming through and seeing the bit about a potential venue and event in freaking Oman of all places might be the coolest thing to emerge from this to me. Just not wild about who's behind it and especially not the format they were floating around for it behind closed doors.