Because NASCAR.
They used to. The CoT cars (gen 5) had adjustable splitters which replaced the need for fender flare. And spoilers were always adjustable before that, I mean way back in the 80s they'd have huge spoilers laid back to 40 degrees if not less. Not we have short but more upright spoilers.
Why no adjustability? Probably a mindset of keeping the competition closer with more of a spec aero package.
They never adjusted the splitter or spoiler mid-race though. Takes way too long. You have a series of adjustment bars to fine tune according to the measurements allowed in the rules to make sure you aren't in violation of too much or too little angle. That's something that's figured out in testing and practice, but with little testing and less practice time now I'd say the non-adjustable aero is here to stay.
Au contraire mon frere.
Spoilers were adjusted mid-race and could be again. The bars that are on them now did not always exist and crew members could beat/bend the spoiler as desired during a stop.
To the original post:
NASCAR has held the belief for quite some time now that the machines should be as close to identical as possible.
This would leave the "show" in the hands of the drivers. It hasn't worked yet and it's time for the experiment to end.
Adjustability needs to return. Spoilers, shocks, springs, gears and motor.(get rid of the splitter)
The Monster Energy CRATE Cup Series needs some room for the crew chiefs to work some of their magic!
Hopefully Monster insists on it.
Au contraire mon frere.
Spoilers were adjusted mid-race and could be again. The bars that are on them now did not always exist and crew members could beat/bend the spoiler as desired during a stop.
To the original post:
NASCAR has held the belief for quite some time now that the machines should be as close to identical as possible.
This would leave the "show" in the hands of the drivers. It hasn't worked yet and it's time for the experiment to end.
Adjustability needs to return. Spoilers, shocks, springs, gears and motor.(get rid of the splitter)
The Monster Energy CRATE Cup Series needs some room for the crew chiefs to work some of their magic!
Hopefully Monster insists on it.
Also if you get rid of the splitter then you need to bring fender flare back, which defeats the purpose of the gen 6 looking more like the road cars.
Yeah, I get that they want them close. They are. Put the thing in the hands of the driver, and the driver's ability to communicate to the team the way he wants it trimmed out. The only way you get passing is when one car is faster than another. Duh! As it is now, the cars are close, the drivers are close, the teams are close, and well without a discrepancy in speed, you won't have passing. Ever.
It may not matter to you, but I can promise you that if NASCAR went crate motors in any of its national series, Toyota would be gone from the series instantaneously. Toyota was very upset when noise was made in the Trucks about such an idea. I think a crate motor was ready, but I don't think it was raced. Any idea on that?
This is a really damn good point....one I have not hear in relation to the elimination of the splitter.
NASCAR offers spec engines built by Yates in the lower divisions, late models and modifieds. It wouldn't bother me to see costs lowered further in the truck series (which is already pretty cheap as far as motorsports go) but if anything it would probably be an option, not a mandate. Something affordable but competitive that'sbasically plug and play.
But that will never happen in Cup so don't worry about it.
This.... Why no adjustability? Probably a mindset of keeping the competition closer with more of a spec aero package. ...
Yeah, I get that they want them close. They are. Put the thing in the hands of the driver, and the driver's ability to communicate to the team the way he wants it trimmed out. The only way you get passing is when one car is faster than another. Duh! As it is now, the cars are close, the drivers are close, the teams are close, and well without a discrepancy in speed, you won't have passing. Ever.
It may not matter to you, but I can promise you that if NASCAR went crate motors in any of its national series, Toyota would be gone from the series instantaneously. Toyota was very upset when noise was made in the Trucks about such an idea. I think a crate motor was ready, but I don't think it was raced. Any idea on that?[/QUOTE
NASCAR offers spec engines built by Yates in the lower divisions, late models and modifieds. It wouldn't bother me to see costs lowered further in the truck series (which is already pretty cheap as far as motorsports go) but if anything it would probably be an option, not a mandate. Something affordable but competitive that'sbasically plug and play.
But that will never happen in Cup so don't worry about it.
My point to the CRATE comment was simply the fact the the engines in use today are provided by very few suppliers.
If you look at the Toyota teams alone you could say that they are nothing more than a micro CRATE series in and of themselves. All brands have been over engineered and de-tuned to produce an engine that very seldom blows and is within single digits in horsepower to the other brands. NASCAR has made sure of it. Just another swipe at any attempt at inginuity.
They used to. The CoT cars (gen 5) had adjustable splitters which replaced the need for fender flare. And spoilers were always adjustable before that, I mean way back in the 80s they'd have huge spoilers laid back to 40 degrees if not less. Not we have short but more upright spoilers.
Why no adjustability? Probably a mindset of keeping the competition closer with more of a spec aero package.
They never adjusted the splitter or spoiler mid-race though. Takes way too long. You have a series of adjustment bars to fine tune according to the measurements allowed in the rules to make sure you aren't in violation of too much or too little angle. That's something that's figured out in testing and practice, but with little testing and less practice time now I'd say the non-adjustable aero is here to stay.
The spoilers should be adjustable from the drivers seat but make it a slow process. It would be great to watch drivers adjusting spoiler and tork bar so as to set up a pass.
The spoilers should be adjustable from the drivers seat but make it a slow process. It would be great to watch drivers adjusting spoiler and tork bar so as to set up a pass.
Alright, I have never heard a serious explanation for why NASCAR doesn't allow adjustable splitters and spoilers. Would seem to be that this might increase some aero differences in the cars, and increase passing. What am I missing?
I've always thought the teams should be able to set spoilers at any angle they want and change them during the race if they like.
I've always thought the teams should be able to set spoilers at any angle they want and change them during the race if they like.
We're not the people y'all need to convince. I've got Brian's phone number here somewhere; I'll post it when I find where I put it.YES!!!!!
That looks like something Speed Racer rejected to replace the Mach 5.
I think it would be much different and more tolerable if you could adjust it at your own discretion. I agree that DRS sucks in a lot of ways and being handicapped by the interval restriction (have to be <1 second behind leading car) and only having a zone or two where you can use it are parts of that.This sounds good maybe in theory but is awful and a band-aid in real practice. Formula 1 does this, they call it the Drag Reduction System or "DRS". Some new, smart people have come into power in F1 and are trying to get rid of it because it means literally zero creativity in passing. Get close enough to the lead car, press the button, the wing lays back, and you speed past the leader. You don't want that. You want passing on the outside, crossover moves, side-drafting, door to door action. Not DRS which is like a video game boost button. Might as well just put a nitrous bottle in each car at that point.
I think it would be much different and more tolerable if you could adjust it at your own discretion. I agree that DRS sucks in a lot of ways and being handicapped by the interval restriction (have to be <1 second behind leading car) and only having a zone or two where you can use it are parts of that.
I liked the wing they used for a year or two not long ago. I thought it worked better than a spoiler. But there was a lot of flack about the wing and I don't remember why.
If you use the air to increase downforce, the more aero push the car behind you has. That wouldn't be fair in a spec car series. The less downforce there is, the more it puts the race in the drivers hands. If you want close racing, then you need spec cars. Close racing does not always mean good racing. Daytona and Talladega are perfect examples of this. Sure they have lots of speed, and lead changes, but the races are boring.
And yet you see kids installing wings on plenty of street cars, but not a single one with a spoiler. Why is that, do you suppose?It was U-G-L-Y, that's why.
Not at all, but I keep hoping.I must be the only person that still looks forward to the plate races.
There is no such thing as a pretty race car (except the GT40).It was U-G-L-Y, that's why.
Ok so if there's no restriction then guess what, every single driver uses it on the straights and then the net gain of using it is zero because the guys in front of you are doing the same thing.