Big changes coming

In the last two years NASCAR has made a conscious effort and spent a lot of resources on improving the on-track product not only for us fans, but for the drivers as well. The drivers made their voices heard and finally something was being done. So why now is NASCAR tainting the progress that they've made with gimmicks? And where are these same drivers voicing their displeasure like they did with the actual racing? Something can be done about this, but it seems to me we've got a bunch of yes-men driving these race cars.

They're trying to make it better, it's still not great. And repaving Atlanta and Texas, and California probably soon to follow, is going to erase the gains NASCAR's made.

They might try to lay down some VHT compound to build in second grooves but I don't think it'll have any impact. They laid down that VHT **** at Martinsville and the drivers, Cup and Late Model, hated it. Fortunately, Hurricane Matthew washed it all away before the 300.
 
They're trying to make it better, it's still not great. And repaving Atlanta and Texas, and California probably soon to follow, is going to erase the gains NASCAR's made.

They might try to lay down some VHT compound to build in second grooves but I don't think it'll have any impact. They laid down that VHT sh!t at Martinsville and the drivers, Cup and Late Model, hated it. Fortunately, Hurricane Matthew washed it all away before the 300.
It worked pretty good at Bristol. Had they not had the rain they did for that race it would have worked even better.
 
I will say one positive thing about twin races, or "Halftime Breaks" if we must call them that. If the break is long enough and the teams are allowed to really work on the cars, it would allow teams to go much further in adjusting the setups by changing things like shocks, ect. That could mean far more competitive cars in the "second half" :bleh: and better racing.

Still, I absolutely don't want this to become an every-week thing. Most races need to stay as punishing endurance races that test equipment and driver to the limit. Also, I've got no problem with weeknight races.
 
Still, I absolutely don't want this to become an every-week thing. Most races need to stay as punishing endurance races that test equipment and driver to the limit. Also, I've got no problem with weeknight races.

Endurance racing isn't a thing in NASCAR anymore, honestly. Every single driver is in good enough shape to last 500 miles and mechanical failures and that type of thing are so incredibly rare in NASCAR now and have been for the last decade and a half. Not to mention, tire degradation isn't really that much of a factor anymore either except at Atlanta and Southern California.

I like the strategy aspect of races, but even then, it's extremely rare that races come down to strategy anymore.
 
Richard Childress, on SiriusXM NASCAR Radio, hinted at big changes coming to the sport. While he didn't mention what they were, he talked like he knew or had been told what they will be.
 
Endurance racing isn't a thing in NASCAR anymore, honestly. Every single driver is in good enough shape to last 500 miles and mechanical failures and that type of thing are so incredibly rare in NASCAR now and have been for the last decade and a half. Not to mention, tire degradation isn't really that much of a factor anymore either except at Atlanta and Southern California.

Yeah. The majority of the 400 milers at the 1.5 mile tracks are not serious endurance tests at all for the drivers or the equipment. I don't have a problem seeing the distance of these races cut to make them more intense, if that's what they want to do. Darlington is a real test. Bristol, Dover, Martinsville, and the Glen are demanding. I wish they would leave those alone. But they probably won't, they'll F everything up.
 
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Yeah. The majority of the 400 milers at the 1.5 mile tracks are not serious endurance tests at all for the drivers or the equipment. I don't have a problem seeing the distance of these races cut to make them more intense, if that's what they want to do. Darlington is a real test. Bristol, Dover, Martinsville, and the Glen are demanding. I wish they would leave those alone. But they won't, they'll F everything up.

Yep, short tracks and road courses (and Darlington) are way more demanding in every aspect. Constant braking and accelerating, shifting, more wheel turning, more physical contact, tire wear. Everything about those races takes a toll on car and driver. And, oddly enough, they all produce the best racing. Pocono's extremely tough too and that's why I like that place. Rockingham was the same way.

The Brobdingnagians were initially built for open wheel racing. Then NASCAR adopted them and two publicly traded companies thought we should build more brobdingnagians.

The things NASCAR does to improve the racing reminds me of when NHRA went to 1,000 feet for safety (a knee jerk reaction to Scott Kalitta's death at Englishtown). They said that the shorter distance would slow the cars down because they wouldn't reach top speed of 320mph and thus make it safer -- on top of the additional shutdown. Of course, the mechanics found a way to get to 320mph in 1,000 feet.

Of course, the common sense fix was to quit racing at Englishtown because the track is unable to expand their shutdown area and sand pit. Seattle is in the same boat. Instead, they changed the fundamentals of the sport. :rolleyes:

NASCAR can shorten the races, have twin races and do whatever they want. They tried lower downforce last year and after a handful of races and a bunch of testing, the teams found ways to make the cars handle perfectly again. Cut the race distances and the drivers and teams will eventually adapt and, by the second half of the year, they'll be cruising again.

Of course, the common sense fix is to quit going to The Brobdingnagians 20-something times a year and race at more short tracks and road courses.
 
Yep, short tracks and road courses (and Darlington) are way more demanding in every aspect. Constant braking and accelerating, shifting, more wheel turning, more physical contact, tire wear. Everything about those races takes a toll on car and driver. And, oddly enough, they all produce the best racing. Pocono's extremely tough too and that's why I like that place. Rockingham was the same way.

The Brobdingnagians were initially built for open wheel racing. Then NASCAR adopted them and two publicly traded companies thought we should build more brobdingnagians.

The things NASCAR does to improve the racing reminds me of when NHRA went to 1,000 feet for safety (a knee jerk reaction to Scott Kalitta's death at Englishtown). They said that the shorter distance would slow the cars down because they wouldn't reach top speed of 320mph and thus make it safer -- on top of the additional shutdown. Of course, the mechanics found a way to get to 320mph in 1,000 feet.

Of course, the common sense fix was to quit racing at Englishtown because the track is unable to expand their shutdown area and sand pit. Seattle is in the same boat. Instead, they changed the fundamentals of the sport. :rolleyes:

NASCAR can shorten the races, have twin races and do whatever they want. They tried lower downforce last year and after a handful of races and a bunch of testing, the teams found ways to make the cars handle perfectly again. Cut the race distances and the drivers and teams will eventually adapt and, by the second half of the year, they'll be cruising again.

Of course, the common sense fix is to quit going to The Brobdingnagians 20-something times a year and race at more short tracks and road courses.


BINGO!!!
 
Doesn't change my tune. A fake road course at a Brobdingnagian is better than an oval race at a Brobdingnagian, but I'd prefer to see more real road courses and short tracks. :)
But it IS better, and it's much much better than anything of the doom-and-gloom scenarios posted here. It would be a change most could at least live with, and many would support.
 
Endurance racing isn't a thing in NASCAR anymore, honestly. Every single driver is in good enough shape to last 500 miles and mechanical failures and that type of thing are so incredibly rare in NASCAR now and have been for the last decade and a half. Not to mention, tire degradation isn't really that much of a factor anymore either except at Atlanta and Southern California.

I like the strategy aspect of races, but even then, it's extremely rare that races come down to strategy anymore.

Mental fatigue and the pressure should always be an issue, fewer cautions means less caution resets. Part of the deal imo should be testing and stressing those abilities. And every lap would be more meaningful without some BS debri caution
Being a quarter of a lap down obviously is a bigger deal if you can not count on a caution. A beautiful thing that naturally forces and demands a complete race to win, and nascar needs to let that happen.

A driver will fight harder not to loose ground that's harder to make up. And long green runs runs forces more errors in the pits too.
 
But it IS better, and it's much much better than anything of the doom-and-gloom scenarios posted here. It would be a change most could at least live with, and many would support.

I'll wait for a race at the Charlotte road course to be announced before I celebrate.

Every time we get our hopes up about NASCAR doing something right, we end up getting let down.
 
Christ, Germain tire guy seems to be implying we're getting the all star format for every race. We're doomed.

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Being reported Monday is the day we'll be hearing what the upcoming changes will be.
This from Ryan Ellis:

"Just saying, no one I know really knows what is going on...including drivers and every team owner I know etc...so I wouldn't put much stock into this."
 
This from Ryan Ellis:

"Just saying, no one I know really knows what is going on...including drivers and every team owner I know etc...so I wouldn't put much stock into this."

Could be.

But heat races and all star type short stint races have been popping up a lot as of late so they are probably going to do something like it.

And it wouldn't surprise me much either. Monster seems to like the format.
 
I'm OK with the idea of a halftime. Nothing really happens for the first 75 percent of most races anyway

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So, we get to zero passing under green in a new format?

Sounds thrilling.
 
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