Brad Keselowski Racing To Close After 2017 Season

Greg said:
Deepest sympathy, you have really have missed something incredible if you dont get short tracks.
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Bristol is about the only one I like. Martinsville is my 2nd least favorite track behind New Hampshire.
 
Simple Fan said:
Dont see how going to short tracks helps this series. Trucks put on great shows a the bigger tracks and I'm not a big fan of short track racing. I'd rather they continue following Cup and putting on better shows.
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One could graph the timeline and decline in enthusiasm and interest, to the expansion of companion events.
The generic big box world doesnt inspire folks that will never be mainstream.
The Trucks and the Xfinty series just gave up their identity and unique greatness to easy for the corporate suites. They have great spreadsheets, great vanilla sheets. To sterile for any passion. To sterile to generate a new generations of fans who freak out and burn with passion for the stuff.
Nascar needs to stop the disconnect.
Raw loud in your face Saturday night racing has not lost any beauty.
Nascar is just loosing it senses.
 
It could be somewhat self cleansing despite itself. The series could become economically unfeasible to run the trucks at the larger tracks, so the powers that be will have to seek out the smaller venues if they want to keep the series. In turn the truck series goes back to it's roots that brought about it's popularity in the first place.
 
Blaze88 said:
If going back to short tracks gain more fans than it loses, wouldn't that be good for the series?
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That's what I'm saying I don't think it will gain more fans. Could they use some standalone races on short tracks, yeah but they don't need to be the focus of the series or else I'd be out.
 
Simple Fan said:
That's what I'm saying I don't think it will gain more fans. Could they use some standalone races on short tracks, yeah but they don't need to be the focus of the series or else I'd be out.
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I think it could help out a bit, I mean honestly the reason I didn't care about going to bed last night when the race was finally starting(I had a bad headache) as I knew Kyle was going to win anyway. It was a short track sure, but at the same time it's like....the Cup was still there so Cup drivers still are there and meh I don't want to stay up with a headache for a race I'm 99% sure of who was going to win. Think of how many others don't care about the series because of the fact they don't want to sit there when who's going to win is pretty much known way before hand unless something happens. Sometimes it's not worth the risk.
 
Stand is right. Go back to their roots. Look at the K&N Series, ASA of the past, and the original Truck Series. Pretty much all short tracks. Cut costs and make it cheaper to compete. If anything they will gain more fans than they lose IMO.
 
Blaze88 said:
I think it could help out a bit, I mean honestly the reason I didn't care about going to bed last night when the race was finally starting(I had a bad headache) as I knew Kyle was going to win anyway. It was a short track sure, but at the same time it's like....the Cup was still there so Cup drivers still are there and meh I don't want to stay up with a headache for a race I'm 99% sure of who was going to win. Think of how many others don't care about the series because of the fact they don't want to sit there when who's going to win is pretty much known way before hand unless something happens. Sometimes it's not worth the risk.
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See now I enjoy Cup drivers in the lower Series and would like to see more run trucks besides Kyle. I also enjoy the standalone races although they don't have much star power in them they can still put on a good show. I think there is a middle ground they need to find on Cup drivers in lower Series and these current restrictions are not it.
 
2 Sweet said:
Stand is right. Go back to their roots. Look at the K&N Series, ASA of the past, and the original Truck Series. Pretty much all short tracks. Cut costs and make it cheaper to compete. If anything they will gain more fans than they lose IMO.
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Then they loose being a national Series and become irrelevant. How many K&N races are on TV live?
 
Simple Fan said:
See now I enjoy Cup drivers in the lower Series and would like to see more run trucks besides Kyle. I also enjoy the standalone races although they don't have much star power in them they can still put on a good show. I think there is a middle ground they need to find on Cup drivers in lower Series and these current restrictions are not it.
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The Xfinity and Trucks need to regain their own identity instead of depending on "star power" which has basically transformed them into Cup Lite.
 
Simple Fan said:
See now I enjoy Cup drivers in the lower Series and would like to see more run trucks besides Kyle. I also enjoy the standalone races although they don't have much star power in them they can still put on a good show. I think there is a middle ground they need to find on Cup drivers in lower Series and these current restrictions are not it.
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You enjoy it some don't. More stand along races couldn't hurt to ever try. A race is more entertaining when you know a lot of more people got a chance to win.
 
2 Sweet said:
The Xfinity and Trucks need to regain their own identity instead of depending on "star power" which has basically transformed them into Cup Lite.
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That's why these current restrictions on stupid. They do nothing for the series and they need to find something better like I've been talking about for months with Cup Invitational races.
 
Blaze88 said:
You enjoy it some don't. More stand along races couldn't hurt to ever try. A race is more entertaining when you know a lot of more people got a chance to win.
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I'm not the only one though, yeah I said they could use some more standalone races but to keep the series relevant it need to have its companion races as well.
 
TexasRaceLady said:
I remember when the trucks first started racing --- almost exclusively on short tracks in a lot of places that didn't have big-time racing.
And the stands were PACKED.
The action was incredible. I was so disappointed when the short tracks were dropped.
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I agree completely,I knew a couple local guys that were involved before the cost got out of hand.Nascar should have looked at what makes minor league baseball so popular.
 
What short tracks could the Trucks run at? IRP, Myrtle Beach, South Boston, Milwaukee Mike? I have trouble coming up with more besides those
 
StandOnIt said:
It could be somewhat self cleansing despite itself. The series could become economically unfeasible to run the trucks at the larger tracks, so the powers that be will have to seek out the smaller venues if they want to keep the series. In turn the truck series goes back to it's roots that brought about it's popularity in the first place.
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Yep, Market correction severely nerded.
Racing lingo: Sometimes you got to slow down to speed up.
 
2 Sweet said:
They wouldn't be irrelevant. Trucks would still a higher tier of NASCAR. It's all about promotion. If K&N races were run live, I would watch every one of them.
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Me too I try to catch the replays as often as possible. I think the select few and they're typically Kyle Busch fans think that they need cup drivers in the lower series. Majority of real fans don't believe that at all they're not there to watch one driver dominate over the rest of the field that's not racing that's business.
 
Snappy D said:
What short tracks could the Trucks run at? IRP, Myrtle Beach, South Boston, Milwaukee Mike? I have trouble coming up with more besides those
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There are more than enough to many to count.

Martinsville
IRP
Hickory
5 flags
Salam Ind.
Winchester
Toledo
Mansfeild
Nashville
South Boston
Concord Motorsports Park

and many others, just a few that come to mind.
 
Simple Fan said:
I'm not the only one though, yeah I said they could use some more standalone races but to keep the series relevant it need to have its companion races as well.
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There would still be companion races. They could still race Trucks at the same short tracks Cup races at.

Two of my buddies are casual fans, and had no idea the Trucks were at Bristol last night because NASCAR didn't really promote it and there's no consistency as far as the schedule.

Fordracing7 said:
Me too I try to catch the replays as often as possible. I think the select few and they're typically Kyle Busch fans think that they need cup drivers in the lower series. Majority of real fans don't believe that at all they're not there to watch one driver dominate over the rest of the field that's not racing that's business.
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Yeah I haven't seen more than one or two K&N races all year because I have no idea when the hell they will be on.

It's funny you say that, my two buddies I mentioned above were all pumped to see the Trucks at Bristol. They both sent me a text within a few minutes of each other saying "Why the hell is Kyle Busch racing against these guys? Isn't he way out of his league?" And they said it was a lame race to watch him dominate like he did. One of them said it's like giving Barry Bonds a double dose of HGH and a corked bat and sending him to the low minors. He pretty much nailed it.
 
Greg said:
Probably one of the few ways to save the series. It isnt the Toyota series, it is a development series not the Toyota king maker series.

One that should be more about attracting more new owners, and a diversity of drivers.At this point I could care less the brand. We need more teams with a chance to win every week, like 30 plus solid entries showing up.

There should be more options.
And the crate motor is a real solid for making those things happen.
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You force the manufacturers out (and Ford and Chevy aren't fond of the crates either), this series dies anyway. What's the point?

StandOnIt said:
a little slow on the uptake, the other two major players aren't "investing" as you call it. They don't think it is worth doing. So there are three choices, not have a Truck series, reduce the expenses, or make it the Toyota IROC series because neither of the other two major players aren't playing..
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Yeah, okay..... Choice 2....but leave the freakin' motors out of the equation. I don't know what the hell Chevy is doing, but Pericak at Ford makes all of this noise about development drivers, and then watches one of his teams sink. WTF? That's on Ford. Why the hell should Toyota change its approach? Let's invest less because the other guys don't want to? From the time Roush whined about Toyota spending, you could see this coming....Is it that Toyota spends too much, or Ford and Chevy don't want to spend enough? Toyota forces their hand to support this sport. Not a good look for Chevy and Ford IMO. Step up.

TexasRaceLady said:
I remember when the trucks first started racing --- almost exclusively on short tracks in a lot of places that didn't have big-time racing.
And the stands were PACKED.
The action was incredible. I was so disappointed when the short tracks were dropped.
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If going back to small tracks while retaining brand identity is the solution. I am all for it.
 
Revman said:
You force the manufacturers out (and Ford and Chevy aren't fond of the crates either), this series dies anyway. What's the point?
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The point is to obvious for explanation. The current model isnt working, it is drying up.
Less infusion of home grown local drivers with a history and character, and that includes the owners, who after pick the drivers.
A lower budger crate model is a hell of a lot better model than a much smaller lot that has a chance to get a Gibbs truck.
And the problem is a deep seeded one that has existed for years, it just getting manifestly worse now.
Johnny Benson could not even get a ride to defend his championship several years ago.

What is your point aside from protecting Toyotas interest? And the actual series should be more paramount than a player.
 
Greg said:
The point is to obvious for explanation. The current model isnt working, it is drying up.
Less infusion of home grown local drivers with a history and character, and that includes the owners, who after pick the drivers.
A lower budger crate model is a hell of a lot better model than a much smaller lot that has a chance to get a Gibbs truck.
And the problem is a deep seeded one that has existed for years, it just getting manifestly worse now.
Johnny Benson could not even get a ride to defend his championship several years ago.

What is your point aside from protecting Toyotas interest? And the actual series should be more paramount than a player.
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My point is that I don't want to see Toyota leave the Trucks, but if they go crate, Toyota is gone. Do you see crate motors with no manufacturer involvement on small tracks as viable? I mean it is a romantic notion--to get back to the sport's roots, but really the only people who appreciate the sport's roots are those who will not sustain this sport into the next 20 years.
 
The trucks should be a beat em up bang em short track series, with a couple bigger tracks thrown in for experience. Keep the Cup drivers out of it.
I really really want the truck series to survive, but they are getting fewer and fewer teams.
 
Time for Nascar to shutter the trucks series and focus all their energy on xfinity and cup. Maybe the trucks series continues in a different series/ownership but it is a huge drag for Nascar considering the trouble they are having keeping their #1 & 2 series afloat.
 
Greg said:
The point is to obvious for explanation. The current model isnt working, it is drying up.
Less infusion of home grown local drivers with a history and character, and that includes the owners, who after pick the drivers.
A lower budger crate model is a hell of a lot better model than a much smaller lot that has a chance to get a Gibbs truck.
And the problem is a deep seeded one that has existed for years, it just getting manifestly worse now.
Johnny Benson could not even get a ride to defend his championship several years ago.

What is your point aside from protecting Toyotas interest? And the actual series should be more paramount than a player.
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I'd say go ahead and pull the trigger on the crate engines, it would be a great help to truck teams. Honestly, with the expense of buying Triad engines, Penske, HMS, etc.

It adds up greatly for smaller organizations and remember the trucks schedule was so unique at one point and it still has some beauty to it. Look at Eldora, Iowa, Mosport, just to name a few. Remember, when they used to go out west to Portland, Pike Peak, Heartland Park, IRP, etc. The trucks series was its own entity with a mix names young and old with that "grassroots" feel to it. It had a fantastic mix of short tracks, intermediates, and road courses. Honestly, I remember back when I was about 5 and 6 how exciting it was to see the truck series at these different places and now it just merges in line with Xfinity and Cup, there is nothing wrong with it. Yet, going to places like Pocono and a stand-alone in Vegas of all things... Also, not to mention the series has become a bit of an after thought, I think the schedule is meh and especially the fact that after M'Ville the series has a month off in the books...

Yet, money is so important not anyone from or specialized in that grassroots style get anything now in days. This is why I was a fan of Red Horse Racing, but we know what happened with the lack of funding for the team.
 
In this case the victor only seems to win.
Revman said:
My point is that I don't want to see Toyota leave the Trucks, but if they go crate, Toyota is gone. Do you see crate motors with no manufacturer involvement on small tracks as viable? I mean it is a romantic notion--to get back to the sport's roots, but really the only people who appreciate the sport's roots are those who will not sustain this sport into the next 20 years.
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they seem to be ok running the spec motor and composite bodies in Arca, and K&N.
 
You lead, follow or get out of the way and I am surprised there aren't calls to have Toyota cut funding to the trucks series. It has become that daft.
 
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Is this this week's "NASCAR is dead" thread?

While this is unfortunate in the short-term I would not worry too much. The Truck Series will get an edgy enhancement or two and then all will be well again. Brad will become a Cup Series owner once he retires. And people - smart people - tell me that NASCAR routinely is the biggest weekend sports programming on TV and sponsors and OEMs continue to flock to the sport. I think at last check 237% of Fortune 500 companies were invested in NASCAR.
 
NASCAR Apologist said:
Is this this week's "NASCAR is dead" thread?

While this is unfortunate in the short-term I would not worry too much. The Truck Series will get an edgy enhancement or two and then all will be well again. Brad will become a Cup Series owner once he retires. And people - smart people - tell me that NASCAR routinely is the biggest weekend sports programming on TV and sponsors and OEMs continue to flock to the sport. I think at last check 237% of Fortune 500 companies were invested in NASCAR.
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Its far from dead, I just wonder who is going to represent Ford in the truck series now?

Outside of BKR and Austin Hill's family truck those are the only three Ford trucks in the field.
 
IMO, t0y0ta ruined the trucks by outspending the guys like Kez and others.
 
Taco said:
IMO, t0y0ta ruined the trucks by outspending the guys like Kez and others.
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Nascar sat on their butts and let it happen, they let one manufacturer dictate the series, and now it is time to pay the price. It has been mostly a Toyota spec series for the last couple of years while teams dried up and left. Now the only other team that was getting a bit of factory support is calling it quits. Personally I am glad, something will have to be done. Spec engines and composite bodies have been a huge cost cutting measure other series including drag racing have been using for years. 32 out of 40 cars in ARCA are going on their second year using the 396 motor. I guess some will be able to shoot the bird every time a Toyota drives by, heck if I know. The Arca races I have watched are pretty good. The Arca at Watkins Glenn was by far the best race at that track all weekend.
 
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I used to love the truck series when it was the defacto retirement series and ran on short tracks but at this point I hope Nascar puts it out of his misery instead of letting it fade away. The market will take care of things if Nascar is unwilling.
 
StandOnIt said:
In this case the victor only seems to win.



they seem to be ok running the spec motor and composite bodies in Arca, and K&N.
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Yeah, that's a good point, and I have thought of that. I cannot speak to the difference in feeling between the series. Dunno.
 
In the last 3 years I've been to 3 truck races. Dega, Atlanta, and Daytona. Only one of those (Daytona) did I actually travel specifically to see.

I won't go out of my way to watch them live but if there's a triple or double header weekend that I'm in town for I've tried to do my part and support the series. 3 seems like hardly nothing but I bet it's a lot more than the average fan.
 
Revman said:
My point is that I don't want to see Toyota leave the Trucks, but if they go crate, Toyota is gone. Do you see crate motors with no manufacturer involvement on small tracks as viable? I mean it is a romantic notion--to get back to the sport's roots, but really the only people who appreciate the sport's roots are those who will not sustain this sport into the next 20 years.
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Sustainability :Just a few teams that can win isn't going cut it.
Romantic notions : Who is fighting for something that is drying up. Something that a former Cup champ with tons of determination, and Penske connections cannot sustain.

If people dont give a crap and will not show up, and more importantly the kids or the real future doesn't flip out now, it is just inevitable.
It will just become less and less until it fades away. And that may happen, Nascar doesnt want fo admit to the disasterous choices..
Doing nothing or avoiding serious cost containerment, will probably bring on the day.

And Toyota will eventually quit giving a crap too, if there is no fan base, the crumbs will not satisfy. Win your battle and loose the war, after all they do produce a consumer good and must be market sensitive to survive.

I am not wild about a spec series, I like unique cars. I still wish I could hear the distinct super speedway exhaust of the Morgam McClure cars.
Specs has the generic feel, I am fully aware and have no illusions.

But as much as I like the purity and the ruggedness of manufacturing involvement, it fails when compared to having full quality feilds. With many that are capable of winning.

Without that the brands or skins will not matter.
 
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08-17-2017, 07:40 PM
Was told Ford is shiftING their money to another team in the series next year
 
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