BREAKING: Majority owners explore sale of NASCAR

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  1. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    he was the crew chief for Brett Moffitt. They ran virtually the only Toyota motor left in the trucks for most of the season. I don't think he is a reliable source being though he was getting Yota help and when they had to switch to the spec motor they had to pay for them like everybody else. It was pretty strange that the spec motor they were using in the trucks was at the least supposed to have 40 HP more than the Toyota motors they were using, but the single Toyota motor won 5 out of 6 races Moffitt won. Zippadelli said it was because the Toyota truck cornered better this time. ;) Anybody following closely the truck series ever remembers when a very small almost bankrupt single truck team from Japan won the series title? Not me, one heck of an effort. hopefully that team will be able to get some decent sponsorship to continue next year, it looks tough at this point.
     
  2. Revman

    Revman May God Bless Coach Joe Gibbs and all JGR Fans

    TRD employs about 250 people in their Costa Mesa engine facility, and another 50+ in their Salisbury chassis facility that have absolutely nothing to do with marketing. If this was just about marketing, we would very much be into throwing crates into these things (@StandOnIt dream), badging them, and carrying on. The discussion about what engineers gain from racing is an interesting one. Stretching the thinking, etc. makes for similar creativity on the consumer side perhaps? ....Regardless, Toyota makes one hell of a commitment to engineering if the only purpose for racing is marketing....
     
  3. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

  4. Mopardh9

    Mopardh9 Team Owner Contributor

    A crate 550hp can go multiple races, the trucks use on average 3-4 per season.
     
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  5. IanMcVittie

    IanMcVittie Car Chief

    I don’t have any sources for this as I am just going from memory and I am not saying any of this came from Toyota or its affiliates.

    At the time of Toyota’s entry into the Truck Series what was said was that they wanted to become ingrained in the American fabric like baseball and apple pie. It seemed like a good marketing move to me then as the series was popular.

    Nowadays the series posts such lackluster numbers I don’t think Toyota’s involvement benefits them much.....at least on the retail/consumer awareness scale. With each year getting worse and worse Toyota may need to rethink its involvement. Pure speculation on my part of course
     
  6. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    Here's the problem with a spec motor in the cup series. Could it change in the future? nobody knows.

    Will NASCAR continue to look at this for future series? That could be really tough, as Ford, Chevrolet and Toyota (commonly referred to as OEMs as an original equipment manufacturer) -- feel that having their engine blocks are a key component to why they race.
    http://www.espn.com/racing/nascar/s...s-nt1-ilmor-oem-options-ford-toyota-chevrolet
     
  7. Mopardh9

    Mopardh9 Team Owner Contributor

    Why sin't a key component in Trucks then? I call major bullshiit on this.
     
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  8. StandOnIt

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  9. IanMcVittie

    IanMcVittie Car Chief

    I hear what you are saying as it is ok for the trucks to play pretend but not the others. Nascar may need to carve up the broadcast money differently and give the teams more if revenue streams keep drying up. If they don’t give the teams more money spec motors could be here soon.
     
  10. Mopardh9

    Mopardh9 Team Owner Contributor

    Where they going to get more money when no major network signs the next broadcast contract? Is it going to come out of Nascar's pocket.....lmao?
     
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  11. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    Like Phelps said everything is on the table, but the OEM's would have to go along with it. They use spec motors in ARCA also.
     
  12. IanMcVittie

    IanMcVittie Car Chief

    Nascar would have to kick in and get the tracks to accept less than what they receive now. With attendance plummeting the tracks may not want to give an inch.

    At some point Nascar will have to ruthlessly eliminate costs unless they can raise revenue. As it stands they have made some efforts but it won’t be enough unless they find barrels of cash somewhere
     
  13. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    same sh!t different day
     
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  14. Allenbaba

    Allenbaba Team Owner

    This is correct - Toyota's entry into racing was 100% marketing, and today is probably 90% marketing. Like you said, if you want to be taken seriously as an "American" brand, being a part of NASCAR is the best way to do it. The engineering aspect is nice, but there are tons of ways Toyota can tinker with engineering other than NASCAR. It's all about selling cars.

    When Toyota first entered the sport, they discovered that something like only 20-30% of race fans surveyed would consider buying a Toyota. Today, that number is something close to 45-55%. It's identical to Chevy and a bit better than Ford. Ratings, attendance etc are important, but not nearly as important as that survey. If that number holds steady and/or rises, Toyota will keep doing what they're doing. If that number starts to dip and trend that way, they will likely have to examine their involvement, investment etc. It's pretty much that simple. All about selling cars to people who might never have considered them. The science is a bonus.
     
  15. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    yeah I read that article also. What many don't realize is that Toyota is heavily invested in many different racing venues. Sprints in the WoO series and USAC, the Silver Crowns, USAC midget racing, Drag racing, Super Trucks on and on. If it isn't to sell cars and trucks? why are they there? That is where the enthusiasts buyers are
     
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  16. IanMcVittie

    IanMcVittie Car Chief

    That is very interesting and thank you for your insight.
     
  17. IanMcVittie

    IanMcVittie Car Chief

    Just remember that you can’t change the truth but the truth can change you.
     
  18. IanMcVittie

    IanMcVittie Car Chief

    It is good that Toyota is so strong on motor sports as with GM’s constant floundering and Ford up and down Toyota may end up being the glue that holds it all together. You may have to stop hating Toyota :XXROFL:
     
  19. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    and again another wrong guess.
     
  20. IanMcVittie

    IanMcVittie Car Chief

    Forecasting is something all successful companies and individuals do. The unsuccessful just whistle Dixie and pretend all is well until is isn’t.
     
  21. LewTheShoe

    LewTheShoe Team Owner

    An interesting observation right there about being truthful...
     
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  22. IanMcVittie

    IanMcVittie Car Chief

    Yeah I should have known that no matter what you would always hate Toyota. Why do you as the have been great for millions of people here.
     
  23. IanMcVittie

    IanMcVittie Car Chief

    Hi, Lew, it is good to see you. Hope you had a good Thanksgiving
     
  24. Charlie Spencer

    Charlie Spencer Short tracks and road courses rule.

    I'm sure the engineers get tons of experience, and that experience will stand them well if they are assigned to production models. My point was that little of the technology they develop or implement while racing will carry over directly to the production designs. Engineering stock cars is an expensive way to gain skills, compared to having them work on something with more practical applications: electric, self-driving, etc.
     
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  25. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    yeah I agree. It used to a long time ago when 500 miles was a test on engines and suspension pieces, tires, but not much anymore. Just make a road car to look like a large bathtub, stick a bunch of electronics on it and ya got it.
     
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  26. IanMcVittie

    IanMcVittie Car Chief

    No question that guessing wildy is folly but when you have an entrenched record it is more like connecting dots. Throwing your hands up in the air and refusing to see reality is also folly. It always comes back to pragmatism and realism.
     
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  27. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    Arguing with one or more of your identities would probably get you further along. I know as much or more about the state of the state of Nascar racing today than you do. but being a racing fan, I enjoy the series and many others.
     
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  28. IanMcVittie

    IanMcVittie Car Chief

    I thought we were just conversing and had different opinions? As far as I can tell you think Nascar is in great shape and believe that the future is bright. Based upon the past 10 years I think Nascar is in tough and the future is murky.

    None of this is personal and has nothing to do with being a race fan. Most of us on this forum have been satisfied with the racing the past 2 years including good old me. I believe you and one other person think choking down the engines and having the drivers flat foot around the track in 2019 is a good idea. No reason for you to get upset over any of this.
     
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  29. Spotter22

    Spotter22 Team Owner

    They wont be "flat footed" at all tracks.
     
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  30. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    it is just another lie, ain't nothing new.
     
  31. IanMcVittie

    IanMcVittie Car Chief

    I know it won’t be all of them but there will be some
     
  32. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    I believe you and one other person think choking down the engines and having the drivers flat foot around the track in 2019 is a good idea

     
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  33. Spotter22

    Spotter22 Team Owner

    Some, but we still have to wait to see what effect tire fall off will have on these tracks. I believe the first 10 laps may be close to on the matt but after that they will have to feather and some lift.
     
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  34. LewTheShoe

    LewTheShoe Team Owner

    This thread concerns what is potentially the biggest NASCAR story of the last 25 years... efforts by the France family to sell all or substantial part of the sport... and it has been de-railed and probably should be shut down. That would bring joy to the deathbedders who fish these waters on a daily basis - and piss off everyone else - but it is what it is.
     
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  35. Spotter22

    Spotter22 Team Owner

    :cheers:
     
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  36. IanMcVittie

    IanMcVittie Car Chief

    You have been a proponent of the 2019 rules and they will be flat footing at several tracks. What part of that don’t you believe?
     
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  37. Team Penske

    Team Penske Team Owner

    I think I changed that after you pounced on it. I meant a 327 punched and 350 cut back.
    My error.:D
     
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  38. IanMcVittie

    IanMcVittie Car Chief

    Just an idea but you could always put the individuals that piss you off on ignore. You would never see or hear from them again which would solve your problem.
     
  39. Team Penske

    Team Penske Team Owner

    I think I changed that after you pounced on it. I meant a 327 punched and 350 cut back.
    My error.:D
    Very good reason to use them. I think the trucks should use what ever they can to cut costs
    and remain as a series.
    After reading many comments about the truck racing, you would think Nascar would increase the purses.
     
  40. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    Ha ha That makes perfect sense. I went thru three 301's high reving hand grenades.
     

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