Carl Edwards

#17D500winner said:
I have no proof but I'd bet a weeks paycheck that if the truth were to come out, he left JGR because they switched to Toyota. Which, IMO, is his prerogative.
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You don't need proof because you are 100% correct. When JD and Coach cut the deal with Toyota, they flew to his house to tell him. He was completely pissed. I actually respect Smoke more because of that oddly. I am into manufacturer loyalty (obviously), and Tony is a Chevy guy forever. He didn't want to be in a Toyota, and when Toyota realized that there was no convincing him, they let it go.
 
when carl started racing, i thought he was a good guy, always smiling, but then that quickly changed. all the crap with brad, flexing up on kenseth, his interviews after a accident. and backflipping off his car after a win wasn't enough, then he had to go climb into the stands. around my town you see a bunch of colors worn, or displayed on vehicles and for him to be a top driver, i don't see the fan support for him. i'm not sure he leaves roush, but if he does, i don't see him being top dog wherever he ends up.
 
pudge said:
when carl started racing, i thought he was a good guy, always smiling, but then that quickly changed. all the crap with brad, flexing up on kenseth, his interviews after a accident. and backflipping off his car after a win wasn't enough, then he had to go climb into the stands. around my town you see a bunch of colors worn, or displayed on vehicles and for him to be a top driver, i don't see the fan support for him. i'm not sure he leaves roush, but if he does, i don't see him being top dog wherever he ends up.
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I see Carl as the same as Clint Bowyer. One personality in front of the camera & another behind it. Heard several stories of Clint being a complete douche but he's "the funny guy" on camera.
 
i can see that with clint. but if i had my choice to have a beer with just one of them. i'ld choose clint
 
Revman said:
I would agree that Penske is the best option all things considered, but frankly, I don't think Penske is more ready than JGR for a fourth team in terms of infrastructure. Certainly, sponsorship is needed on both ends. Just can't see Carl in anything other than a Ford. A move to Penske would be huge for him.
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Stranger things have happened. I never thought I would see Mark Martin driving anything but Roush's #6 Ford. Same with Kenseth and the 17.

Like others here have already said, if the money was right, I think Carl would leave Roush in a heartbeat.
 
Anyone else think Carl is orchestrating all this speculation to help his contract renewal?
 
ChexOrWrex said:
I see Carl as the same as Clint Bowyer. One personality in front of the camera & another behind it. Heard several stories of Clint being a complete douche but he's "the funny guy" on camera.
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Gotta be honest. Don't give a rat's ass what they are like when the camera is not on. I have a right to the brand they sell, but who they are in their own time is none of my damn business so long as what they do doesn't cost them their ride. I cannot root for someone not there.
 
ChexOrWrex said:
I see Carl as the same as Clint Bowyer. One personality in front of the camera & another behind it. Heard several stories of Clint being a complete douche but he's "the funny guy" on camera.
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I bet 99% of the drivers are like this.
 
ted@economy said:
Anyone else think Carl is orchestrating all this speculation to help his contract renewal?
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Perhaps, but I think he recognizes a lack of performance with the RFR cars. There aren't any quality seats opening up and his only real opportunities for a shot at a Championship, IMO, are if Penske or JGR expand their organizations.
 
What I want to know is what's going on with the Roush organization? Somewhere deep inside that org there is a problem --- and
I'm not talking about the drivers/teams --- I'm wondering about the "out of the public eye" organization.
 
TexasRaceLady said:
What I want to know is what's going on with the Roush organization? Somewhere deep inside that org there is a problem --- and
I'm not talking about the drivers/teams --- I'm wondering about the "out of the public eye" organization.
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My best guess would be a combination of Jack's constant meddling and a totally inept sales/marketing dept. The inability to sell sponsorship has really hurt them IMO.

The only thing that has kept them viable is that they have the Ford engine market cornered, but who knows how long that could last. Ultimately I believe Team Penske will build their own engines again, and cut Jack out of the loop completely.
 
BobbyFord said:
Perhaps, but I think he recognizes a lack of performance with the RFR cars. There aren't any quality seats opening up and his only real opportunities for a shot at a Championship, IMO, are if Penske or JGR expand their organizations.
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Definitely agree with this, he's trying his best to create any leverage he can. As you said, there aren't any quality rides open, and RFR is not at the top of the list in terms of desirable destinations, decent but he knows there are better organizations out there.
 
As soon as I heard they fired Chip Bolin I knew something more was going on... then I heard Carl say that if he wants to win a cup with RFR they HAVE to do it this year... I think he's out. Not sure what the whole deal with Roush is but as long as they keep making quality engines Im fine with it lol :D
 
TexasRaceLady said:
What I want to know is what's going on with the Roush organization? Somewhere deep inside that org there is a problem --- and I'm not talking about the drivers/teams --- I'm wondering about the "out of the public eye" organization.
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Yates saw the writing on the wall and got out of car ownership but remained affiliated with Roush with their engine building program. Roush does a lot of R & D work for Ford plus they invented/designed/refined the roof flaps. When John Henry got involved the slight slide turned into a runaway freight train with no brakes. IMHO of course.
It's been rumored Roush is a cheapskate and doesn't pay as much as other owners do in drivers salaries and takes a bigger cut of winnings and souvenir sales.

One can ask the same of RCR. What happened there? Other then bring in family to a family business and expecting success.
 
Bobw said:
Yates saw the writing on the wall and got out of car ownership but remained affiliated with Roush with their engine building program. Roush does a lot of R & D work for Ford plus they invented/designed/refined the roof flaps. When John Henry got involved the slight slide turned into a runaway freight train with no brakes. IMHO of course.
It's been rumored Roush is a cheapskate and doesn't pay as much as other owners do in drivers salaries and takes a bigger cut of winnings and souvenir sales.

One can ask the same of RCR. What happened there? Other then bring in family to a family business and expecting success.
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I think that has become generally accepted at this point but who really knows.

I'll say this though, you don't see Rick Hendrick, Roger Penske or Joe Gibbs down in the garage checking spark plugs. Jack is so hands on, he needs to put people in place and let them do their jobs. I believe having such a hands on owner has probably pushed good employees away from RFR over the years. Anyone who has worked for an owner who breathes down their neck everyday will tell you it's not a good environment to work in.
 
Carl needs to leave RFR. Things have gotten stale with that organization. They have two quality young drivers in Bayne and Buescher waiting in the wings when Carl and inevitably Biffle decide to move on. I see Carl being more likely to bolt than Greg, however I think it would be in both they're best interests to move on like Kenseth did. The constant lack of sponsorship and lagging behind Penske in the Ford pecking order is the writing on the wall. I'd love to see Carl at Hendrick but doubt it happens. I could see JGR of MWR perhaps. Whoever ends up leaving, it would nice to see Bayne in a full time Cup ride. Long overdue.
 
Carl is a sponsor's dream, big toothy grin, clean cut all American boy with a big personality. He can go (if he wants to leave in the first place) to many teams. Does he really need to win to keep his job, or is it more important to keep his sponsors happy, the money flowing in for the team and run in the top 10 year after year.
 
StandOnIt said:
Carl is a sponsor's dream, big toothy grin, clean cut all American boy with a big personality. He can go (if he wants to leave in the first place) to many teams. Does he really need to win to keep his job, or is it more important to keep his sponsors happy, the money flowing in for the team and run in the top 10 year after year.
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Cup drivers want to win a Championship. I do not think RFR is currently capable of winning a Championship. I think Carl knows this and is looking for a Championship caliber ride.
 
TexasRaceLady said:
What I want to know is what's going on with the Roush organization? Somewhere deep inside that org there is a problem --- and
I'm not talking about the drivers/teams --- I'm wondering about the "out of the public eye" organization.
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the problem is what you don't see and what the public can't really see. You have to read between the lines with RFR. The problem as I see it is money. Compare them to say MWR, MWR works hard to get exposure for the driver and team in subtle yet huge ways. RFR lacks this ability to a large extent. They lack a marketable leadership face to their team. Jack just isn't the kinda guy that can go in front of a camera and talk about his team very well. Especially with the eye problem which has taken him to be even more private. Roush has taken a different approach than most teams. Some have said he is cheap, as I see it this is true. Roush has tried to bring up talent from the lower series and promote from within. This allows them to have a couple big name drivers while moving up younger guys who aren't getting paid nearly as much. The problem has been roush has had trouble with its nationwide program as well, funding hasn't been there like in years past. When you see ecoboost or ford on any of the cup cars know that is a steeply discounted basically lets take a few extra bucks because some is better than none sponsorship. Roush sorta pioneered the piece meal sponsorship model we see now. 10 years ago this worked great but when you don't have enough companies to do it you have a problem. the problem at roush is money and its showing. I think in 5 years RFR will end up much like yeates did.

RCR faces similar issues in particular since loosing harvick they lack a driver than can anchor the team. if roush looses carl it will be a huge blow because they will be left with an aging biffle and no team anchor driver.
 
hidesert cowboy said:
the problem is what you don't see and what the public can't really see. You have to read between the lines with RFR. The problem as I see it is money. Compare them to say MWR, MWR works hard to get exposure for the driver and team in subtle yet huge ways. RFR lacks this ability to a large extent. They lack a marketable leadership face to their team. Jack just isn't the kinda guy that can go in front of a camera and talk about his team very well. Especially with the eye problem which has taken him to be even more private. Roush has taken a different approach than most teams. Some have said he is cheap, as I see it this is true. Roush has tried to bring up talent from the lower series and promote from within. This allows them to have a couple big name drivers while moving up younger guys who aren't getting paid nearly as much. The problem has been roush has had trouble with its nationwide program as well, funding hasn't been there like in years past. When you see ecoboost or ford on any of the cup cars know that is a steeply discounted basically lets take a few extra bucks because some is better than none sponsorship. Roush sorta pioneered the piece meal sponsorship model we see now. 10 years ago this worked great but when you don't have enough companies to do it you have a problem. the problem at roush is money and its showing. I think in 5 years RFR will end up much like yeates did.

RCR faces similar issues in particular since loosing harvick they lack a driver than can anchor the team. if roush looses carl it will be a huge blow because they will be left with an aging biffle and no team anchor driver.
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This is very true, we had a thread a little while ago about what was more important driver or car. I think RCR exemplifies why the driver is so important, without Harvick they don't have a driver who can elevate the organization to a higher level. We also see companies like Budwiser who align themselves with the driver and not the team. IMO Carl has done that for RFR, he has elevated them higher than what they really were. He wins races just about every year, even when the organization seems to be floundering much like Harvick did at RCR for years.
 
Jack has lost a lot of talent over the years for strange reasons . Didn't he get rid of the Parrots , Robin Pembertin and Steve Hmiel to name a few ?
 
I predict with bayne driving the 6 car next year and that announcement that carl edwards is GONE. IF he wasn't why wouldn't you use that sponsorship to shore up carl edwards contract?? This is exactly what happened when kenseth left. Bayne can probably be put in the car for potentially less than 3 million, however carl edwards probably is going to want around 7 million. not having to pay that is the difference between running the car and squeaking by or loosing lots of money. Its just tuff to imagine whey you wouldn't use all the sponsorship you could get your hands on to pay and keep carl. He is your franchise driver, drivers like this anchor an entire organization. I bet advocare would have rather sponsored carl instead anyways. carl is gone.
 
JBone88 said:
Carl needs to leave RFR. Things have gotten stale with that organization. They have two quality young drivers in Bayne and Buescher waiting in the wings when Carl and inevitably Biffle decide to move on. I see Carl being more likely to bolt than Greg, however I think it would be in both they're best interests to move on like Kenseth did. The constant lack of sponsorship and lagging behind Penske in the Ford pecking order is the writing on the wall. I'd love to see Carl at Hendrick but doubt it happens. I could see JGR of MWR perhaps. Whoever ends up leaving, it would nice to see Bayne in a full time Cup ride. Long overdue.
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I honestly don't see how Trevor is overdue for the Cup ride. He is so so in NNS and hasn't shown me anything in his limited Cup schedule. He is there because he is cheaper than whoever is leaving. Just like Danica's Boyfriend.
 
BenzTech99 said:
Lets hope so. I cringe at the thought of him being in a Toyota.
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The Darkside awaits. :D If he was kicking ass in a Ford, this wouldn't even be a consideration. Door open.
 
tackle74 said:
Me too, I could handle Chevrolet or Dodge if they were still in, but I freakin' hate Toyota, sorry Revman no offense meant:)
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None taken. I welcome manufacturer loyalty/discussion even from the haters. :punkrocke
 
3wideinturn1 said:
If it pushes Denny out of a ride, I'd be all for it!
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I think that Hamlin is safe this year and next but after that...

JGR has a 4th team, as I mentioned a while back, which is for R&D but who knows what Gibbs may do :idunno:
 
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