Championship Fatigue...

Discussion in 'NASCAR chat' started by oldschoolnascardude1, Nov 18, 2019.

  1. spindoc

    spindoc Team Owner

    Gotta give you credit. You are a big fan of the biggest a**hole.
     
  2. Revman

    Revman 2X CHAMPION

    We got rid of the asterisks.
     
  3. AndyMarquisLive

    AndyMarquisLive Short Track Fanatic

    :XXROFL:
     
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  4. aunty dive

    aunty dive Team Owner

    I just read through this thread.

    I feel rather fatigued.
     
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  5. Turtle84

    Turtle84 gained a step

    I'm drained reading your update
     
  6. FLRacingFan

    FLRacingFan Team Owner

    Novelty of the system has worn off for one. That first 2014 season it was new to everyone and it seemed like every week was frantic and people were trying to take out their frustrations on each other. Now I think there's an understanding that a bad week is actually more detrimental than before when you only have two other races to make up for it. Stage points and playoff points have also eliminated a lot of the element of randomness - for better or for worse - that those early seasons had. The resets don't allow for a man-to-man matchup to develop anymore like a Keselowski/Johnson, Gordon/Johnson, Stewart/Edwards, etc. that would captivate the fan base down the stretch. It's just not as interesting.

    Doesn't help that there seems to be less parity at the top now than there has been in years. It doesn't feel too different from F1 where it's the same five guys fighting for wins each week. There's been a talent drain over the last half decade or so and the new guys, with an exception or two, haven't come into their own yet and the manufacturer gulfs seem bigger since they transitioned from COT to Gen-6.
     
  7. Ventisca

    Ventisca Team Owner

    Or they can turn up the hype by letting the Playoff eliminated Drivers compete for their Final Standings (5th thru 16th) given 2 point intervals based on their Points Standings going into the Finale.

    And have the non-playoff Also-Rans bow out every two laps (unless they remain in the Top 10) in the Final Stage like the von Trapp family.

    Plenty of goods ideas still out there. :)
     
  8. Truex_rox

    Truex_rox 19 looks better than ever.

    It's still quite a bit more diverse than F1 has been. I'll take what we have now. There are tracks here and there that seem to be prone to producing snoozers, but overall, it wasn't horrible. It just wasn't the greatest or most captivating season of the decade. I'll be honest, Kyle Busch deserved the title, but for me anyway, it seemed like a foregone conclusion around the halfway point of the season. There will be better, keep your heads up! Besides, we saw many different winners this year, including some first-timers, and the fan favorite continued to prove that he's got it.
     
  9. be9ak7ts16

    be9ak7ts16 Johali Lives

    I’ve been saying that for years. The difference between the two is the WWF admits it’s a bunch of BS.
     
  10. be9ak7ts16

    be9ak7ts16 Johali Lives

    You left out DW.
     
  11. be9ak7ts16

    be9ak7ts16 Johali Lives

    Nope.
     
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  12. be9ak7ts16

    be9ak7ts16 Johali Lives

    In the 60’s thru the 90’s the competition was real not manufactured. The champion had to perform every week. Case in point Bill Elliott back in 85. He won 11 races but lost the championship to DW. Why did he lose, he lost because he had to many races where he bombed badly. NASCAR was true to its fan base. Then they got greedy. There was an excitement that no longer exists, a little guy could cone into the sport and thru hard work he could become a star. We will never see an Elliott or Kulwicki again. The onset of multi car teams did not help either. Are we better off with a few mega teams or was it more exciting when you had a field full of independent players.
     
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  13. Spotter22

    Spotter22 Team Owner

    Maybe on purpose, NASCAR is not WWF, NASCAR doesnt have a script and determine the winner. To compare the two is ridiculous and insulting to the sport.
     
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  14. DanicaFreak

    DanicaFreak Green monster

    Dude, I call :bsflag:


    Back in big Es day you cant tell me that NASCAR didnt do small things to make things work out in his favour.
    Or screw over others. Like Mark Martins championship right @AndyMarquisLive ?
     
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  15. NJJammer

    NJJammer Team Owner

    Perhaps it’s time to shake up the playoff system again. I don’t have a solution but do feel that the regular season champion should have a pass to the final four or, the very least, the first couple of rounds of eliminations.
     
  16. be9ak7ts16

    be9ak7ts16 Johali Lives

    What’s the quote have to do with the WWF? NASCAR does a great job of insulting its long time fans.
     
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  17. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    I think some long time fans have thin skins and an exaggerated sense of their importance. Coupled with a skewed view of the good ol days.
     
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  18. be9ak7ts16

    be9ak7ts16 Johali Lives

    We all have our opinions. NASCAR turned its back on the South and tried like hell to get the wine and cheese crowd in.
     
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  19. DanicaFreak

    DanicaFreak Green monster

    This was the public sentiment in the BIg E vs Jeff Gordon rivalry
    Gordon seen as the wine and cheese guy from calif. Big E the ultimate good ole boy.
     
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  20. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    They have expanded to Canada, Mexico and Europe. Does that mean they have turned their backs on the U.S.?
     
  21. Spotter22

    Spotter22 Team Owner

    Geez how old are you? You are talking like its early NASCAR and they like any other business expanded its base. Those days are long gone.
     
  22. ChexOrWrex

    ChexOrWrex Ya gotta wanna

    Jeff Gordon stole that one.
     
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  23. Spotter22

    Spotter22 Team Owner

    I dont care what you "call" .
     
  24. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    I don't know how you can say that, they recently acquired ARCA and full ownership of Nascar.
     
  25. Spotter22

    Spotter22 Team Owner

    Days of staying a regional based sport are long gone
     
  26. DanicaFreak

    DanicaFreak Green monster

    Facts. History. favorites were played, and could be argued still are.
     
  27. Spotter22

    Spotter22 Team Owner

    lol. Let me explain to you why its not, Millions and Millions of sponsor dollars flow through this sport and if they knew it was rigged and fixed they would balk immediately and would be a head shot to the sport. If it was fixed Danica Patrick would have won multiple races as well as Dale Jr winning Multiple Championships, take off the tinfoil bud.
     
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  28. Spotter22

    Spotter22 Team Owner

    Pretty sure we are on the same page, I needed to word my post a little better
     
  29. be9ak7ts16

    be9ak7ts16 Johali Lives

    I’m 65. I’ve been watching this sport for over 5 decades. I was watching during the height of the Pearson Petty rivalry. I watched them new guys Waltrip and Earnhardt enter the fray. I think I have enough history with the sport to express my opinions. I’m not a mindless yes man.
     
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  30. Spotter22

    Spotter22 Team Owner

    And I can express mine. Merica!
     
  31. be9ak7ts16

    be9ak7ts16 Johali Lives

    True but yours is wrong.......;)
     
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  32. Spotter22

    Spotter22 Team Owner

    Not today! :)
     
  33. DanicaFreak

    DanicaFreak Green monster


    I didnt say ALL rigged. I said here or there. DO you deny NASCAR brass did things to help big E and mess with others? throw a debris caution here or there...
     
  34. DanicaFreak

    DanicaFreak Green monster

    NASCAR wanted her to succeed, but numerous other things happened.
     
  35. Spotter22

    Spotter22 Team Owner

    Throw a caution to bunch up the field, no, dont deny it and I like it. The rest, unless you have proof, is fantasy.
     
  36. Spotter22

    Spotter22 Team Owner

    Well then give her the soakers and Big motor man!!
     
  37. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    To show how much the good ol days affects people, some still consider themselves the south when it fact over a hundred and fifty years ago that was true. The country has since annexed and bought land and named themselves the United States and most people consider that area as the south east. No surprise that something as recent as Nascar is that there are the same sentiments.
     
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  38. DanicaFreak

    DanicaFreak Green monster

    throwing a caution to bunch the field is manipulating the outcome.
     
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  39. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    others call it waking up the audience:D..boy those were some tough years for the 1.5's
     
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  40. Spotter22

    Spotter22 Team Owner

    Competition caution.
     

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